out here. You can find a hate group just about anywhere.

When the initial Prop H8 decision was announced, I attended a rally in Santa Ana. Was really shocked to see the rabid religious rong was organized. But then Orange County is the birthplace of John Birch Society, TBN and way too many mega churches.

I am so naive,sometimes. Like I said,I have SEEN the Klan here in Central Texas. I had this fantasy that California was above that. Reality is a cruel teacher.

read that in the beginning of "Fast Food Nation", with respect to Carl Kircher of Carl's Jr. (which you may know as Hardee's).

just one spot in a huge State.


Tikki

when i hear southern, or texas bashing going on i recognize the hypocrisy or ignorance of it.

reagan, nixon.... all out of calif.

the upside? they have way more liberals that balances it out more than texas.

Twenty-eight. Who'd a thunk my state was so bigoted?

There are too many hate groups out there everywhere.

if population density has anything to do with it?

Not only in central California, everything north of Sacramento suburbs is pretty conservative as well. (Excluding this coastline)

read the sacramento bee story comments and you can see this very vocal minority. much of it is from the foothills, home to many winger ex-orange countians. it's really disheartening....maybe i should move.

If it's any consolation, I get the sense that a lot of the groups in California are glorified street gangs.

state's population, etc.

So they could be classified as hate groups, but I'm not sure that's accurate. I mean Bloods or Crips might have racist components, but their goal isn't to target people of a different race, but to make money, gangs are illegal business, like the Mafia except except not as sophisticated. The KKK or Aryan Nations aren't trying to make a profit, but to spread their message of hate.

plates on our car. When we came back to California to visit family, we had White Supremacist types approaching us in parking lots because we had Idaho plates. I've got to say that we were both shocked at how many of them there were and frankly how much more rabid they were than the Idaho versions. California is only liberal on the coasts and in the major population centers. The rest of it is pretty rural and conservative.

Last time I cared to look...

The second was rejected.

much and so broadly that the SPLC has trouble categorizing your specific hatred focus.

Maybe "General Hate" should be the term for teabaggers who want a Christian, straight, native-born, white nation.

Teabaggers is a homophobic derogatory label used by anti-gay haters like pampango. You should know a hater when you see one Pampango, you are the hater.

Democratic Underground promotes free speech, your hatred and fear of free speech is frightening.

about 50% or more of the population is going to hate you. I've lived in parts of CA and found areas very bigoted. All of this talk of CA tolerance is BS IMO.

There's more ethnic diversity in CA, therefore, an opportunity for more groups to form?

2 ethnic groups = 2 hate groups,
3 ethnic groups = 6 hate groups,
4 ethnic groups = 24 hate groups, etc.

I love Hawaii!