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Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 12:27 PM Dec 2013

My Take on the Pledge of Allegiance.

If it was up to me it would be reworded.

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Democracy for which it stands, one Nation for the People, by the People, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.


Now I know many would argue with me about this. But to me this makes more sense.
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My Take on the Pledge of Allegiance. (Original Post) Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2013 OP
I simply don't get pledging allegiance to a flag. SheilaT Dec 2013 #1
It looks like it had two impulses el_bryanto Dec 2013 #3
Oh, I'm reasonably up on the history of the pledge. SheilaT Dec 2013 #4
I don't know - I recited the pledge as a kid and largely didn't analyze it. el_bryanto Dec 2013 #5
When I was a kid I also just recited it and didn't SheilaT Dec 2013 #6
I stopped saying the pledge in the fifth grade. 1000words Dec 2013 #8
If you have to pledge to something, try this "Reader's Digest" version. . . Journeyman Dec 2013 #2
My take. Bonobo Dec 2013 #7

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
3. It looks like it had two impulses
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 01:06 PM
Dec 2013

Francis Bellamy - socialist - felt that "patriotism and national feeling was at a low ebb."

James P. Upham who encouraged it's creation, also seems to have wanted to sell flags.

Bryant

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
4. Oh, I'm reasonably up on the history of the pledge.
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 04:00 PM
Dec 2013

I was in first grade in Catholic school when the under god thing was added, and I want to tell you that the nuns were not happy about that at all.

When I see masses of people reciting the pledge I feel like I'm looking at a gathering of good nazis, or perhaps a communist party something. It's the mindless group aspect that is so scary to me.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
5. I don't know - I recited the pledge as a kid and largely didn't analyze it.
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 04:06 PM
Dec 2013

As an adult, though, on Fourth of July I find it inspiring. I think its a way of saying that what unites us is greater than what divides us.

Bryant

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
6. When I was a kid I also just recited it and didn't
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 11:36 PM
Dec 2013

think about what it meant.

Now I do. Pledging allegiance to a flag? It's beyond bizarre when you think about it. Plus, the way it's enforced on people. I'm a 60-something adult and I find it takes a lot of courage to not recite it in the group. I used to at least stand up, but don't any more. No one has yet called me on it, but then I am not very often in situations where the pledge comes up. It's probably been five years or more since I've been in a group that is doing it.

 

1000words

(7,051 posts)
8. I stopped saying the pledge in the fifth grade.
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 11:44 PM
Dec 2013

A new student was Jehovah's Witness and the teacher explained to the class that reciting the pledge was not mandatory.

So I stopped.

Journeyman

(15,042 posts)
2. If you have to pledge to something, try this "Reader's Digest" version. . .
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 01:01 PM
Dec 2013
"I pledge allegiance to liberty and justice for all."


Short. To the point. Applicable in every land and to all peoples.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
7. My take.
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 11:38 PM
Dec 2013

People should not be forced into signing a contract or pledging allegiance when they have no choice.

That is coercion.

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