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You see eventually parents tell their children that Santa is not real and that mommy and daddy bought the presents.
Being told that the only way you get these presents is because 'daddy' is a mythical white man consciously or unconsciously tells children of all races that only the white man gives you presents.
Since this mythical soon to be discovered 'father' is one's daddy, he'd have to come in several races just for the long term sanity of children, although I suspect all the stupid lies told 'to make them happy' or to fit into society's so called norms are enough to make them need psychiatrists in their teens.
Whether you lie for good or evil, it is still a lie.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Parents who perpetuate the racist, atrocious falsehoods of caucasian Santas, Easter Bunnies, tooth fairies, and so on, deserve to have their children taken away from them.
malaise
(269,157 posts)with them and national institutions also lying to other people's children
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)No one lies better than them...oops..oh yes the pastors.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I never learned that presents came from "daddy." My "daddy" didn't raise me, and while we knew each other, he never gave me a gift. Ever. My gifts came from my mother. From my grandmother. From my great Aunt.
The idea that gifts come from "daddy" is somewhat sexist and patronizing, imo.
My grandmother was HORRIFIED when I asked, and my mom told me, that Santa and the Easter Bunny weren't "real." She wanted the magic to last a little while longer, because that's something that the myth does; it keeps the magic of childhood alive for adults who don't have enough in their lives. The transition from magic to metaphor for unselfish giving, or for spring and new life and energy, or whatever the myth happens to be, is part of growing up.
At least it was, for me.
I never stopped to think about Santa's color or gender or anything else, except his wonderful generosity. And when I realized that the generosity was really based in everyone, I wanted to join in the giving.
malaise
(269,157 posts)I don't see how Santa or these other myths enhance the magic of childhood - we used our childish imagination for a plethora of magical things. I do love the unselfish giving and I know many persons who grew up without either religion or these myths who share with people they know and complete strangers.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Giants and witches eating people? WTF
LWolf
(46,179 posts)thing is the magic via imagination; the particular shapes it takes may be cultural, and can be as myriad as snowflakes.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)to pretend and what they are not allowed to pretend, then it's not imagination anymore. That is when the magic disappears. There is no need to ruin children's imaginations because we as adults have power struggles among ourselves. Don't punish the children. Plus there is an upside to imagination. Those with imagination are more likely to be independent thinkers. They think outside the box. They come up with answers that the masses simply can't come up with. They are innovators. They are problem solvers. They are not just mindless drones just following orders given by the boss.
raccoon
(31,118 posts)embodying it as a being---same as with the old man in the sky.
malaise
(269,157 posts)Johonny
(20,878 posts)If the point of Christmas is to teach children how to give as well as to be thankful to receive and the importance of family then it is hardly a lie if they grow up having learned how to give and receive of others. The child that has imaginary friends, conversations with stuffed animals, etc... have a different perception of the world than adults. Parents often use that imagination to teach value lessons to them which is why children's books are filled with magic, talking animals, fantasy worlds etc...
Plus parent deserve milk and cookies too
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)She is magic
Rides in the sky too
Johonny
(20,878 posts)Who the hell eats those cookies and drinks that milk?
malaise
(269,157 posts)and it turns out the little girl was making cookies for ...ding ding......have a look
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=595231083859265&set=vb.168342453214799&type=2&theater
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Thanks a lot, Mom and Dad.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)Teaching kids about spirituality is difficult - Santa is sort of like training wheels for many.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)....I'm not even going to get into it....but fuck you Megan Kelly for starting this shit.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)both parties will have made a political football out of everything in their quest for winning elections. It's getting ridiculous.
hunter
(38,323 posts)Santa Claus was an early casualty.
There were good reasons for the "no gun" rule in my parent's house.
Grateful for Hope
(39,320 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)Grateful for Hope
(39,320 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)especially in the context of Santa gives you presents if you are good.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)My kids believed in Santa for as long as they wanted and each of them stopped believing at different times when they wanted to stop believing. My son is autistic so he believed for a longer amount of time than my daughter who began to question not only Santa but the existence of God in about the second grade. My husband and I neither encouraged or discouraged the belief. My kids are free to believe whatever they want to believe. There is nothing wrong with having imagination and pretending.
FSogol
(45,515 posts)hating everything.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Having grown up Jewish there was no Santa, or wise men in my life. Hanukah Harry is something to laugh at, (yes Madison Ave, we are laughing at you). The closest was Purim, and all that involved real people, not magical beings. (Ok or as real as the story of Esther can be). And Purim is still a minor holiday as far as holidays are concerned. Oh and it is a festival of dressing in costumes, making noise and eating pastries. (Show me, outside of Yom kippu, and tis he D'av' a Jewish holiday that really does not involve food)
I always knew my parents were the ones behind the gifts and December was a time to give to charity, assuming I even won at Chanukah games. Ok, ok I confess, I still gave.
Yup, growing up in western culture Prince Charming was the closest we got to magical make belief, and I did cry when Bambi's mom got killed in the movie theater.
The idea of Christmas is that of renewal in the middle of winter, and a celebration of life in the middle of the darkest time of the year. So sue me and comparative religion classes as an adult.
To me that is where Santa belongs.