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riqster

(13,986 posts)
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 11:05 AM Dec 2013

Even though the Bible does not say December 25th is Jesus’ birthday…

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http://bluntandcranky.wordpress.com/2013/12/25/even-though-the-bible-does-not-say-december-25th-is-jesus-birthday/

"Even though we were never told to celebrate His birthday,

Even though there is scant evidence to prove that Rebbe Yeshua Bar Joseph even existed,

Even though the Christmas holiday was created to help wipe out the pagan religions that competed with the new faith of Christianity,

And even though it has become a crass, obnoxious, commercialized and manipulative season that starts months before and exhausts us all by the time it is done with,

Merry Christmas.

Merry Christmas because for a while, people pay attention to their families, and friends.

Merry Christmas because for a while, people give a bit more to those who need help.

Merry Christmas because in today’s America, we really need something positive to celebrate.

Merry Christmas, because even the crankiest among us needs to lighten up for a day or so. "

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Even though the Bible does not say December 25th is Jesus’ birthday… (Original Post) riqster Dec 2013 OP
'just pulled out a new chewy toy for my "little four-legged" girl hlthe2b Dec 2013 #1
Awwww. How adorable! riqster Dec 2013 #2
Mine kept stealing the cheese from the cheese plate on the coffee table notadmblnd Dec 2013 #12
Oh, dear... that much cheese can be very constipating... hlthe2b Dec 2013 #13
She pooed good this morning notadmblnd Dec 2013 #14
You sound exactly like my wife when it comes to the squeaky toys Bandit Dec 2013 #31
Dogs all over the world are getting chewies this morning! OnionPatch Dec 2013 #22
Its Christmas because dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #3
Back atcha. riqster Dec 2013 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Dec 2013 #4
Nothing wrong with your approach, either. riqster Dec 2013 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Dec 2013 #19
Hear, hear! OffWithTheirHeads Dec 2013 #5
Great screen name! riqster Dec 2013 #10
Thank the 1%. OffWithTheirHeads Dec 2013 #11
I don't care when Christians want to celebrate. But they are aholes if they want to own this season BlueStreak Dec 2013 #8
Enjoy it as you wish, and call it what you wish. riqster Dec 2013 #9
Happy Holidays RC Dec 2013 #23
Thank you. And I wish the same for everyone here. BlueStreak Dec 2013 #25
If the self-proclaimed Christians want "Christmas" that badly, let them have it starroute Dec 2013 #15
I tend not to get arsed about the details or names. riqster Dec 2013 #18
We're not the ones who are getting worked up about it starroute Dec 2013 #21
those people are idiots and have tainted the holiday. I love Christmas roguevalley Dec 2013 #28
Ok, for a day or two, Merry Christmas from this non-believer. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #16
A celebration is almost always a good thing. riqster Dec 2013 #17
Today is Christmas. It is perfectly appropriate to say "Merry Christmas" today. BlueStreak Dec 2013 #26
I hear what you are saying and respect it. And I certainly agree that you shouldnt rhett o rick Dec 2013 #29
I agree. BlueStreak Dec 2013 #30
Adding, same reply to those who oppose gay marriage - maced666 Dec 2013 #20
I have never been propositioned by a gay person -- ever. BlueStreak Dec 2013 #27
Christmas is..like all days...what we make it. Christmas could be everyday if we wanted it to be. kelliekat44 Dec 2013 #24

hlthe2b

(102,357 posts)
1. 'just pulled out a new chewy toy for my "little four-legged" girl
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 11:10 AM
Dec 2013

Her unbridled joy is the spirit of the holiday....

Whether one is religious or just like to celebrate the beauty of winter and winter solstice, Happy Holidays!

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
12. Mine kept stealing the cheese from the cheese plate on the coffee table
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 12:56 PM
Dec 2013

Boy did she have a belly ache last night. She was a pitiful site last night whimpering and crying, had to rub her belly til she fell asleep.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
14. She pooed good this morning
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 01:11 PM
Dec 2013

but last night I was worried that she ate the squeaky from her skunk. She's a little devil. I saw that she had something in her mouth and when I went to take it from her to see what it was, she swallowed it. I was really worried about having to find a vet this morning. But she seems ok now.

But I've never heard a dog cry about a bellyache like she did last night.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
31. You sound exactly like my wife when it comes to the squeaky toys
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 02:00 PM
Dec 2013

Our dog is named chewy and he lives up to his name just fine. We can no longer give him any stuffed toys. He has the stuffing all over the house within minutes. We give him the toys without stuffing but "mom" still worries about him eating the squeaky things inside the toys..Santa was very good to our little Chewy though...Squeaky toys everywhere...

OnionPatch

(6,169 posts)
22. Dogs all over the world are getting chewies this morning!
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 03:21 PM
Dec 2013

Mine knew there was a chew-bone in his stocking and has been guarding it since I put it in there a few days ago. He sat in front of it and growled at any cat that came near.

It's all gone now, already history.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
3. Its Christmas because
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 11:21 AM
Dec 2013

its custom and practice for it to be so. I have no concept of that ending.

Merry Christmas to you.

Response to riqster (Original post)

Response to riqster (Reply #6)

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
8. I don't care when Christians want to celebrate. But they are aholes if they want to own this season
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 11:58 AM
Dec 2013

Some of the best Biblical scholars concede that the scriptures say that Jesus must have been born in the springtime.

But if Christians found the solstice celebrations too well entrenched to overcome, and took an "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" strategy, I just don't care.

They tried exactly the same thing with the other holiday they hated: Halloween. They tried to get people to observe it as "All Saints Day".

Gamesmanship. That's all it is.

Let's understand that the ideas of gift-giving, big celebrations, yule logs and such are all related to the solstice and predate Christianity by thousands of years.

But the pagans don't own the calendar any more than the Christians. Enjoy the season in whatever way gives you happiness and peace.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
15. If the self-proclaimed Christians want "Christmas" that badly, let them have it
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 01:19 PM
Dec 2013

They get all the purely religious stuff -- creches and midnight masses and (sadly) most of the really good Christmas carols, along with the sentimental drek like "Little Drummer Boy."

The rest of us what we might call Santa-fest. We get to set up trees with ornaments and garlands and a star at the top. (It's not the Star of Bethlehem, after all -- it's the North Pole Star at the top of the world-tree.) We get to give and receive presents and enjoy the spirit of generosity and eat and drink in the company of those we love. And we get whatever songs we can peel off, from "Here We Come a Wassailing" and "The Twelve Days of Santa-fest" to "Walking in a Winter Wonderland" and "I'm Dreaming of a White Santa-fest."

I'd consider that a fair trade.


riqster

(13,986 posts)
18. I tend not to get arsed about the details or names.
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 01:27 PM
Dec 2013

The party is good enough, in and of itself.

But then, when you're lucky to be alive and you know it, any celebration is good.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
21. We're not the ones who are getting worked up about it
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 02:35 PM
Dec 2013

It's the "War on Christmas" types. The ones who turn green and curl up into a fetal position when you wish them "Happy Holidays." The people who think they have a lock on Christmas and get to tell everybody else what is acceptable and what isn't.

Those people are a pain in the butt -- so I'm proposing we cut them loose and let them have Christmas, if they want it so much. The only limitation is that it has to be the minimal, wise-men-and-farm-animal Christmas. We get to keep all the jolly pagan parts.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
28. those people are idiots and have tainted the holiday. I love Christmas
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 06:23 PM
Dec 2013

because my family does.

As for Jesus, I believe he lived, taught important things, then was co-opted by Paul of Tarsus.

In the song Silent Night, they give away the truth about when he was born. It talks of shepherds tending sheep on a 'cold winter's night'. No, they wouldn't. The sheep would be slaughtered except for those that would be needed in the spring, then all would live at the farmstead. No one sheep herds in winter because there is no fodder.

Christmas replaces the roman holiday to sol invictus.

I don't hold idiot christians against Jesus. I love him. He is my friend and mentor. His teachings are filled with love.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
26. Today is Christmas. It is perfectly appropriate to say "Merry Christmas" today.
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 05:03 PM
Dec 2013

But I will not be bullied into saying it on other days. That would be like saying "Happy MLK Day" on May 12.

A friend of mine greets me every time he calls with "Happy Holidays" no matter what day it is. I like that. And now I am going to call him -- because it really is a holiday.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
29. I hear what you are saying and respect it. And I certainly agree that you shouldnt
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 11:49 AM
Dec 2013

be bullied into anything. I went thru a stage of making a point of saying Happy Holidays exclusively to prove that I wasnt being bullied by the terrible Christians. I realized that if I want to make a statement about Christianity, being somewhat belligerent about it at this time of year, isnt the way. It's a greeting intended to be pleasant. Once I decided that no one was forcing me to say Merry Christmas, I do whatever I feel like. And saying Merry Christmas on Dec 1, to me means, "I hope you are going to have a Merry Christmas." I am speaking as a non-Christian.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
30. I agree.
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 01:23 PM
Dec 2013

I don't go out of my way to pick a fight with Christians. But I don't submit to bullying either.

Besides, most of the people who are the most interested in this are fake Christians anyway. They aren't worth arguing with.

I wish everybody a happy an prosperous new year, and hope they enjoyed the holiday season that ended yesterday.

 

maced666

(771 posts)
20. Adding, same reply to those who oppose gay marriage -
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 02:07 PM
Dec 2013

How does it change your life and what do you care how others worship/celebrate/marry?
Freedom for ALL.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
27. I have never been propositioned by a gay person -- ever.
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 05:06 PM
Dec 2013

But Christians do that all the time. It is a question of freedom to worship as you please versus presuming a right to tell others how to conduct their lives.

I agree. Freedom for all.

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