That would have been 3 replies.

I remember the days when Nance Greggs was a DU favorite. *sigh*

She wasn't sufficiently anti-Obama enough.

But so long as she has mean-spirited minions to carry on her work, she's not truly "gone," is she?

I've occasionally wondered if one of those minions isn't her.

Greggs' little rants were cute when she focused on the real problem - republicans. But when she decided to personally attack anyone who criticized Obama for any reason as the enemy, she made her own bed. She left in a huff when her posts no longer made it to the greatest page. She couldn't stand the fact that those she insulted wouldn't rec her threads.

In other words, too much ego and too little talent to back it up.

than you do with Republicans.

Republicans have a lot of power right now. It's no use complaining about Democrats at this point.

I see your ability to logically think through an issue hasn't changed with the holiday season, treestar. This could be why you like Greggs so much.

with anyone saying that criticizing Democrats is less productive than criticizing Republicans. It's obvious you are willing to criticize Democrats more than you are willing to criticize Republicans. Leave the Democrats alone? Then you'd agree with Nance, so I'm inclined to think you are one of those who spends more time criticizing Democrats than Republicans.

That is a singularly idiotic theory but you should embrace it.

On the other hand, since you have nothing to say and merely want to bash anyone who speaks up against your heroes, I'm going to say "good-bye to" you.

Good-bye.

On a roll with the ignore button tonight, I see!

a lot of us took a lot of hits defending the ACA/Obamacare, a lot of us, who preferred single payer, which she may even partake of herself.

so while i'm happy to defend ACA as the best alternative available to us, it grated on me to have every single criticism of it be seen as some sort of affront to Obama, as if we were trying to help the R's.

some were, some are trolls, some are so far left that they think the contradictions must increase until things fall apart and then get better. but very few are those things here.

most see ACA as inadequate, but every ounce of reform, which it was, as sorely needed. and most support Single Payer, almost all regular posters here do in fact (hey, i did a poll of just that!).

to have her malign those of us who do support ACA, even grudgingly, as somehow trying to help the Republicans, that just is inaccurate. as she mostly disappeared and only reappeared to post a treatise against these kinds of criticisms that were accompanied by supporting the president, to have her helicopter in and say we were helping the Republicans --not cool.

if she targeted those criticisms very finely to those who deserve them --and some do, very few, some do, that would be one thing, but she didn't. she lumped us.

She's gone so far now as to accuse me of possibly hacking her account to change her words. Some people have no limits for how low they will stoop.

I "maligned those who supported ACA, even grudgingly, as helping the Republicans"?

Hiya Nance!

It's heartwarming to see your name in a thread, any thread.

Regards to JeffR and Happy New Year to ya both!

I hope all is well with you and yours!

I'm just here asking for links to all of my alleged anti-GLBT rants. So far, no one seems to be able to come up with any - but they still keep claiming they exist. Despite being plentiful, no one can link to a single one of them.

Go figure!

You and I know that.

And, if ever they did exist, it was probably a rogue mod that made them disappear.

Please keep up the great work, we could us more of it!

But readers may be interested in this old thread in the LGBT forum, into which you burst loudly, proudly sporting your rainbow flag (or whatever it was) LGBT avatar. Of particular note is WillyT's response to you, which is the final response to you, post 83.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x136496#136502

in the Molly Ivins Gifted Writers Club

It's like a fucking assault. I mean "national treasure."

and I'd love nothing more than to slap that wagging finger out of my face.

Post 48 is disgusting.

Post 59 sums it up quite succinctly.

Good find on your part.

Not even close to being an anti-LGBT anything.

Again, someone links to a thread in which my comments are completely supportive of LGBTers.

I "burst loudly" into the LGBT forum? I posted a response to an OP. I don't know how that constitutes "bursting loudly" - but to each his own.

And yes, I had a rainbow flag avatar in support of LGBTers - an avatar I'd had for years. Last time I checked, many supporters of gay/lesbian rights sported the same avatar. Why you find that worth commenting upon is beyond me.

I responded to the OP author, "Visine", because (a) he/she had been posting divisive comments, attempting to get DUers to take sides and fight with each other on a number of issues. He/she was later escorted from the building as being an obvious RW talking points-spewing troll who lasted all of 32 posts.

I took great exception to his/her comment that (Obama) "does not merely ignore GLBT human beings, he goes out of his way to marginalize...to shame....and having Rick Warren as his mouthpiece was an actual taunt." It was a ridiculous statement at the time, and has certainly been proven to be a false statement in light of Obama's efforts on behalf of the LGBT community over the years.

I found it odd that someone, especially a newbie, would say they were at their "breaking point" with Democrats "condoning hatred, bigotry, and religious zealots", when the Republicans had been promoting that kind of hatred and bigotry for decades and, oddly enough, "Visine" was not "pushed to the breaking point" during all of that time.

LooseWilly's response to me (not WillyT, a common mix-up) is interesting indeed. When I said, ""Do those in our party who are slowing down the process deserve criticism? Oh, absolutely – the more, the better," LooseWilly's "interpretation" of that was that I had "reinforced the impression that the GLBT community is supposed to just shut up and toe the line, and that, if they wait patiently, someone will come and take their order."

For the life of me, I don't understand how encouraging outspoken criticism of Democrats slowing down the process of ensuring LGBT rights could possibly be construed as having said that the "LGBT community is supposed to just shut up and toe the line". On its face, it would seem obvious that my statement had been "interpreted" to mean the exact opposite of what I said - in plain, easily understandable English.

But that's what DU has become - a place where many come to argue not with what someone has said, but with what they ever so clearly didn't say.

On this thread alone, I have been repeatedly accused of having made vile and malicious anti-LGBT statements, and have been told that such comments are plentiful. And yet no one has yet been able to find even one of those "vile statements" and instead have done what you've done: take comments out of the context of the threads they were in, and then insist they mean the exact opposite of what they plainly state.

So I leave this place to those who seemingly enjoy talking AT one another instead of TO one another, and who delight in finding something to be offended by - even if they have to twist themselves into a pretzel in order to do so.

Deaf to the sound of your middlebrow loudmouth persona bursting into a LGBT thread shouting WHOA! at a poster who was expressing the incomprehension and fury we were feeling at a president we helped elect who thanked us by making the unforgivable choice of having the likes of Rick Warren give the convocation at his inauguration.

(You do know who Rick Warren is, don't you? Maybe you don't. Briefly, Rick Warren, famous religious fraud, supporter of Prop 8, that ex-gay ministry at his Saddleback Church, his close ally Martin Ssempa and Uganda's genocidal "Kill-the-Gays bill," which Uganda parliament passed the other day you may have heard. Truly a lovely religious person.)

As the thread I linked to shows, NanceGreggs simply doesn't hear the effect her words have on people. Because you don't hear it, you don't see it, you don't feel how your smarmy platitudes and bromides look, sound, feel, smell and taste to the LGBT people you were yelling at. Can you not comprehend the effect it has on people when you burst into an LGBT thread to chastise, browbeat and shout WHOA at us for being offended and outraged at the inclusion of something so odious as Rick Warren in the presidential inauguration.

Do you not know what you sounded like to LGBT people who were listening? Like somebody defending Rick Warren, that's what.

So your attempts to portray yourself as our friend and ally fall on flat ears. Now as then.

That's amusing. She is easily as talented as our dearly departed Molly Ivins and in fact, writes in a similar vein.

So, you are a mind reader then. Would you tell me if my dog is going to survive his cancer. I'd really like to know.

But that does not make Greggs any more talented. You like her writing and that's fine, but she should never be seriously compared with Ivins who really could write and had a much more nuanced understanding of the subject.

Never be compared by you. Sure.

I was a huge fan of Molly Ivins and discovered Nance just after Molly passed. I was pleased to see someone who I felt had the same ironic tone and turn of phrase. Not identical but Nance's writing has always reminded me of Molly's. So, for me, she is not only a good writer but a writer with a similar mindset. Nance is more of a barn burner, but honestly, there were times when I wished that Molly would take off the kid gloves. And there were times when she did.

Thank you for the kind words about my dog.

But I'll never forget her vicious attacks against LGBT DUers and how she chased so many away for "not supporting the president" enough." That was the real purity brigade and that was why I felt the need to comment in the first place. I was one of those who ended up leaving for nearly four years due to the cruel way in which we were treated here. It's only tolerable now because Obama has started supporting pro-equality policies so the attack squad acts as though they've always been with us.

And I seriously hope your dog gets better. Losing a loved pet can be just as hard as losing a human friend or relative. I wish you both the best.

Nance Greggs has more talent in her little finger than most of the self-righteous pundits on DU.

Third Way or Turd Way as I call it, is a big ass problem. Corporaticans are a big problem and they don't always have an (R) after their names.

Mostly because third wayers aren't really Dems but instead repubs who don't bash gays. But Greggs bashed the LGBT community for complaining about the many insults and lack of support Obama provided during the majority of his first term. She led the real "purity brigade" in shouting down any comments that didn't meet their standard for fealty.

Now she writes articles about how she's "the gays" best friend, however some of us remember when she was anything but.

After all the people she belittled eventually made the issue such a no brainer that the political establishment actually jumped on it-- *now* she's a friend. Those kinds of "friends" are worthless. An ally who isn't with you during the actual fight isn't much of an ally.

I don't remember reading a whole lot about how important our rights were when Rick Warren was providing the invocation for Obama's first inauguration, do you? I do remember reading how it all meant nothing and we needed to support our new president's actions unconditionally even though Warren was at that time working with Uganda and other countries on "kill the gays" legislation. Slightly different tune today, isn't it?

Yep, with friends like these....

Put up or shut up.

After a certain shall-remain-nameless website (started by disgruntled DUers) posted threads about targeting me as a “well-known homophobe” here on DU in an attempt to get me to leave, I was bombarded by accusations leveled by members of that site who were also members here.

In every instance where I asked for links to anything I had written on DU that was anti-gay, I was met with absolute silence. No one could ever provide such a link – simply because such posts of mine don’t exist.

Where were my strident pro-LGBT rants in 2009? Well, here’s one of them – originally posted in October 2008, and reposted a year later:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5724888

That is, of course, just one of many. I have always been pro-equal rights for gays/lesbians, a position I have held my entire life.

So now it’s your turn, my friend.

“But I'll never forget her vicious attacks against LGBT DUers and how she chased so many away for ‘not supporting the president’ enough.” LINKS PLEASE?

“Greggs bashed the LGBT community for complaining about the many insults and lack of support Obama provided during the majority of his first term.” LINKS PLEASE?

“I'm one of the many LGBTers who she relentlessly attacked for not being willing to silently take the insults and slights that Obama began his administration with.” LINKS PLEASE?

I am anticipating your response to be the same response I have always gotten when I’ve asked someone to back up their accusations with actual evidence: “I can’t be bothered to do a search”, or, “You know what you wrote, I don’t have to find it for you,” or the ever-popular, “Everyone knows you’re anti-LGBT, so I don’t have to prove it.”

If I have been so relentless in posting what you claim are attacks against the LGBT community, or in support of my anti-LGBT stance, you should have no trouble finding them.

But here's one from 2010 belittling those who demanded an and to DADT.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x315425

In this thread you attack a poster because he advocated gay rights.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9004494

Here's another thread in which you negate LGBT advocacy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x399036

And those were easy finds even with advanced search disabled in DU 2.0. Imagine what could be found otherwise.

As Marr said above, friends aren't really friends if they're only around when times are good.

Now awaiting a drama laden attempt to tip the board.

Some of us are cursed with good memories.
That makes it difficult for the revisionists.

Or that she said nice things about "teh gayz" as well.

I love how she writes about "good-minded people" such as herself "trying to defend our rights." If only we would sit down and behave while the good-minded straight folk fixed things for us, huh? At a convenient time, of course.

More likely the swarm will descend, just like in the bad old days.

Uh, no.

Any normal person would be embarrassed by such a delusional display, much less jump in to cheer it on.

Well, actually, a very pitiful try ...

But here's one from 2010 belittling those who demanded an and to DADT.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x315425

My OP was clearly about those who were complaining that Obama had not accomplished everything they wanted to see done on his first day in office. "Belittling those who demanded an end to DADT"? Not even close. The repeal of DADT was one of a dozen or so topics included in that OP - from cleaning up the BP spill, to 'fixing' the economy, etc.

In this thread you attack a poster because he advocated gay rights.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9004494

My response in to that OP was a comment on the fact that there had been many OPs posted that night bashing Obama for his alleged homophobia, most of which used the same "talking points" verbatim.

My reply: "Several threads posted tonight about "Obama's position" being "a disgrace".
No lock-stepping here - just a coincidence that the same words are being used.

I disagree vehemently with Obama's stance on same-sex marriage. What a shocker!!! I was SO sure that he would agree with EVERYTHING I believed - really! Yep, you got me - I was obviously taking an anti-GLBT rights position by vehemently disagreeing with Obama's position that marriage was between a man and a woman.

Here's another thread in which you negate LGBT advocacy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x399036

"Negating LGBT advocacy?" What I was negating was the OP's announcement that he would not support re-electing Obama in 2012 unless full rights for gays/lesbians were in place by the time the election was held. I berated the OP for encouraging people to effectively hand the GOP the election by not voting.

My reply on that thread in full:

"The fact remains that withholding one's vote accomplishes absolutely nothing - except, of course, giving the Republicans a shot at being elected. And THAT is a shot - no matter how small or far-fetched in the great scheme of things - anyone who wants to see equal rights for the GBLT community knows is counter-productive in the extreme.

I can certainly understand how many feel that the Dems have moved too slowly, and without enough real force, on this issue. However, any gains in this area will be as the result of Democrats in office, NOT Republicans.

NOT voting - on the basis of Obama's (or anyone else's) personal feelings about same-sex marriage - may give one a sense of self-righteous "Well, I guess I told HIM" satisfaction. But it doesn't advance the rights of gays/lesbians one iota.

If you knew my personal family situation, you would understand that this issue hits home for me. I don't fault you for not knowing - I don't post about the personal lives of my immediate family on message boards, just as they don't disclose my personal life on the websites they frequent. (And that is not a dig at the OP - I am confident that his daughter is aware of his discussing her here, and she's fine with it. I'm sure he would not do so otherwise.)

The fight for REAL equality for gays/lesbians has been a long struggle, and will continue to be for some time to come. I realize that many people are tired of waiting for what should be obvious under the Constitution - that ALL citizens have the right to be equally protected, and equally recognized as full citizens on every level.

However, withholding one's vote, or rallying others to consider doing so is completely bereft of the compassion of which you speak. It is rather, IMHO, a demonstration of a lack thereof - because the citizens who need and deserve the support of those willing to fight this battle are instead being left to the mercy of the very people who would diminish their rights, rather than uphold them."

Again, if you read THAT as "negating LGBT advocacy", it is apparent that your reading comprehension skills are sorely lacking.

I have to thank you for providing the links you did - because my comments on those threads are completely the opposite of what you've attempted to portray them as, and in each instance my support of full equality for gays and lesbians is more than obvious to those who are willing to actually read my words, instead of relying on your piss-poor "interpretation" of what is there in black and white.

You bashed anyone who didn't bow down in submission to your agenda and people got sick of it. Now you're back claiming to be BFFs with 'the gays' and think those you attacked won't remember. But we do.

Not really much else to say, is there?

I hadn't seen any anti LGBT threads from you ever, but I was never a stalker so I didn't read everything you wrote. By being given specifics, you were able to refute them with ease and even aplomb. I didn't respond to the person because I didn't know if you had written what he insinuated. It seems counter to all I've learned about you, but I had no proof. Now you've been given refutable posts and while I might not have read those at the time, none of them is the least anti LGBT.

Except in my darkest, stupidest days, I have never advocated withholding one's vote for any reason. I have strongly advocated for making sure that vote is counted. No issue should stop a person from voting, it's akin to shooting oneself in the foot, no matter what the issue is. The fundies vote in lockstep and they don't give a damn if their candidate isn't whacko enough (last election is a strange exception).

You were a victim of a pile on. Ask Will Pitt about that nasty tendency to destroy our best here. He's left more than once and usually with a loud, "fuck you and the horse you rode in on." I miss you here but I don't blame you for leaving. Never did.

"Another "Obama is a homophobe" thread - it's been hours since the last one."

"I disagree vehemently with Obama's stance on same-sex marriage. What a shocker!!! I was SO sure that he would agree with EVERYTHING I believed - really!

I feel so betrayed ..."

"Jesus Hussein Christ. Don't you gays and lesbians start putting your two cents in, when good-minded people are trying to defend your rights - uh, I mean the rights of "your ilk"."

"On your first day in office, you should have overhauled the entire legal system, financial system, education system, healthcare system, rooted-out and fired every incompetent person with a government job, repealed DADT, saved the country from the looming economic crisis, rebuilt the crumbling infrastructure, investigated every government department and made whatever changes were necessary, re-established respect for our nation with every foreign leader and their people, put every American back to work, solved the immigration problem, fixed the mortgage crisis, reversed global warming, lowered crime, housed the homeless, fed the hungry, cured the sick, raised the dead from their graves, righted every wrong – and just generally un-do every single thing that has ever been done incorrectly, unjustly, inefficiently or ill-advisedly by your immediate predecessor, as well as every administration going back to George Washington.

On your second day in office, you should have done even more."

"I take you to mean ...

... HE WILL NOT GET YOUR VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!

Quite frankly, Scarlett - I don't think anybody gives a damn."

There are many, many more. Great way to "support" us, Nance.

That hole you're digging yourself into is getting deeper all the time.

My comment on that thread ("Jesus Hussein Christ. Don't you gays and lesbians start putting your two cents in, when good-minded people are trying to defend your rights - uh, I mean the rights of "your ilk".&quot was in response to a poster who replied to NoFuryLike's post by referring to HER as "one of her ilk" when she objected to people attempting to speak on behalf of ALL LGBTers.

That comment of mine is immediately followed by a "thank you" from NoFuryLike - who, in case you don't know her, is a lesbian and has been extremely active in advancing the cause of "her ilk" for decades.

The comment "Don't you gays and lesbians start putting your two cents in, when good-minded people are trying to defend your rights ..." was clearly a joke - because, believe it or not, there was a time on DU when people didn't have to post a thingy every time they were being obviously sarcastic. People "got it" without having to be told.

NoFuryLike and I have been friends for years, on DU and elsewhere. Had she thought my comment was anything BUT sarcasm, she would never have thanked me for saying it - in fact, quite the opposite.

But keep trying. Surely with all of those anti-LGBT rants you're so sure I've posted over the years, you can come up with something more substantial than taking my comments out of context and trying to spin them into something they're not - especially when anyone who reads those comments in context can plainly see that that is precisely what you're doing.

Again, your words speak for themselves. You posted virulently anti-LGBT comments whenever the needs of the community conflicted with your desire to protect Obama from any and all criticism. You can try to use nuance to change that three years later but nuance was never your strong suit.

despite your efforts to convince people that they say something different.

"You posted virulently anti-LGBT comments ..."

It seems rather obvious that you can't find any. That would be because they don't exist.

But it has always come down to this whenever I've asked someone who is making such accusations to link to the evidence thereof. You have managed to link to several instances now where I have clearly said the exact opposite of what you've accused me of saying.

I really have no interest in what your opinion of me is. But you might think twice about attributing statements and positions to posters here when the facts prove you wrong, time and again. It only serves to expose those who are more than willing to lie about fellow DUers - and you have now been exposed as doing just that.

My staunch support of LGBT rights is evident in my many OPs here, and can be found in my journal - for anyone who wants to read what I've actually said on the topic, instead of relying on your baseless accusations, or your pitiful attempts to take comments out of context and apply your own spin to them in order to support an argument that clearly isn't supportable.

With your - uh - "talent" for twisting other people's statements in order to make them appear to be expressing opinions they clearly don't hold and have never written about, there's probably a job awaiting you at FOX-News. I understand they eat that shit up with a spoon.

Your past comments make that very clear. It's very easy to post "I Heart teh Gayz" online but you attacked whenever a member of the LGBT community stood up and said it was past time to legalize equality.

Your words, not mine, prove exactly what kind of "fierce advocate" you are.

therefore, it is your responsibility to back them up, not mine.

But as you have proven, and abundantly so, is that you can't find any links to any OPs of mine that support your allegations.

"you attacked whenever a member of the LGBT community stood up and said it was past time to legalize equality."

Again, where is the link to my attacking anyone for saying it was past time to legalize equality? Oh, right, there aren't any, because I never attacked anyone on any such grounds. Not even close.

I don't have to prove that I am a fierce advocate of anything. It is YOUR responsibility to prove statements and positions you have attributed to me - which you have failed miserably in trying to do.

So far, the only links you have provided to "prove" your point consist of a joke between myself and an LGBTer who was categorized as being of "an ilk" because she's a lesbian AND an Obama supporter, a response to an OP advocating NOT voting for Obama or Democrats - thereby giving the staunchly anti-gay rights GOP an edge in elections, and a post where I state that I vehemently disagree with Obama's assertion that marriage is between a man and a woman, and not between same-sex couples.

In fact, I hope you keep coming up with these links that totally disprove your assertions about me - you are doing far more to prove my support of the LGBT community, and their rights, than I could hope for.

You never could stand to be called out for your callous and hateful comments and you still lunge in for the attack with vitriol and personal abuse.

As I said, people are free to read your actual posts from the time. I'm very happy with that but it looks like you aren't.

to those "callous and hateful comments". As I've said before, the only links you've provided have served to prove my point, and totally disprove yours.

I have also stated that I am MORE THAN HAPPY for DUers to go back and read my posts on the topic of GLBT rights - but as is evident, your reading comprehension skills are woefully inadequate in that you keep linking to my posts which totally disprove your contentions as being "proof thereof".

So please, please, please - MORE links, please! Every time you post one, you show yourself to be yet another poster on this site who can't come up with a single OP of mine that supports your allegations that I have been staunchly anti-gay/lesbian.

I tried to convince you to put down that shovel - but you seem to be intent on digging yourself deeper and deeper into a hole lined with words I never said, OPs I've never written, and comments I've never made.

That appears to be your fallback.

What a joke.

is that you keep trying to spin what I actually say into what you want to insist that I said.

It's what you've done throughout this thread - having no other recourse.

So...

of hacking my account - but why should I bother explaining the obvious to someone like you?

Hacking my account (or anyone else's) would require a great deal of skill - and, quite frankly, you have made it apparent that you don't even possess the skills necessary to read plain English and understand it. Ergo, it is highly doubtful that you would have the intellectual acumen to hack your own account, no less someone else's.

This BS is right up there with posters who say "I don't agree with your position" being responded to with "don't tell me to STFU".

I always feel sorry for those who, due to whatever circumstances in their life, are illiterate - not because they chose to be, but because they never had the opportunity to learn to read, write and comprehend the English language.

I have NO sympathy for those who deliberately twist comments written in plain English into what they WANT to read, instead of what was actually stated. And you have done that throughout this thread.

And just BTW, your obvious attempt to change the topic are just that - obvious. Unable to find links to the "horrible comments" you've insisted I posted, you are now attempting to deflect attention away from the fact that you can't do so - because those "horrible comments" don't exist.

You are just the kind of pathetic character that led to many intelligent, English-comprehending posters to leave DU in search of honest political discussion and debate - discussion and debate based on what IS said, and not on some ridiculous reiteration of what WASN'T said.

DU is all yours, my friend. Please continue to fill it with the utter stupidity that is now lauded here as intelligence.

You've posted nothing but bullying hatred against anyone who doesn't agree 100% with you all the time and this exchange is no different.

I'm going to leave you with the hope that one day you learn to care about someone other than yourself and something other than your pride. I know you won't believe me but I mean that in the best possible way and with all sincerity.

this was a good old fashioned flame war. Usually there are no winners. Not so in this case. And it wasn't you. The thing is, you seem to have been holding on to this for a long time. I suspect anything I try to say won't work. Nonetheless, you are a DUer so I'm going to say it. It's time to let it go or at least pick a person who is less likely to be able to run rings around you. (don't pick me, because, I'll just slip away - time is too precious for a flamewar)

Do you like Will Pitt? He's a firebrand too, like Nance. And he suffers no fools, like Nance. Would you ever consider starting a flame war with Will Pitt? Just in case your answer is yes, please don't. Ever. No one, especially anyone who has difficulty with debate, can ever stand against these two. They are both usually right, as well. It makes their position and their work that much easier.

I was wondering what the heck happened to this message board....

and btw, as a factual aside, things on the internet are always there. Ask the NSA.

You should probably think before typing since she is definitely the one who started with the hacking bullshit. I really thought better of you but I'm glad you've shown what you're actually like.

Thanks for that.

That, um, wow, is not cool. Do you have any idea what festering hate does to body organs? I'm not being woo woo, here. I want you to still be standing in the long term, even if I don't agree with everything you say.

I know this all happened last night while I was sleeping and then working so maybe you've moved on, but if you haven't - for the sake of your long term health, I would ask you to let this go.

I really like Nance. You really don't. That's okay. Holding on to festering anger about her or anyone you feel has slighted you, only hurts you. I see that you have Nance a bit riled, even pissed, but knowing her, she will let it go. Please, do the same. For your own health.

Your words DO prove it. He or she isn't able to let it go. I think it's going to be up to you to be the better person. I'm sorry, I know that sucks. You know you're right and you are. Unfortunately, it really has gone past the point of anything but a flame war.

Too bad, really.

Wouldn't have engaged in this debate, but I have often challenged this meme that I am anti-GLBT whenever I see it. When asked for links, the poster usually refuses to respond, or claims they can't be bothered to find the comments they insist I've made.

But I knew this one would take the bait - and I always had the winning hand, because I know there are no anti-gay/lesbian posts of mine to be found.

So it was fun watching this particular poster doing what I knew he'd do: scramble furiously trying to find something that would back up his claim, come up empty, and then have to resort to taking comments out of context and try to twist them into something sinister.

Every link he posted led to threads where I was obviously supporting GLBT rights - thus he just kept destroying his own argument. In other words, I knew if I just kept feeding him the rope, he'd hang himself with it. And he did.

A while back, another poster here went on a tirade about all of the OPs I'd written defending Rick Warren and Donny McLurkin. I (and others) asked for links - he refused to respond. So I sent him a PM explaining that I had never written a single word about either man, and suggested that he perhaps had me mixed-up with another poster. His response: "I never liked you, and now that you don't post here anymore, I can say whatever I want about you."

(Ironically, that same poster showed up in a Meta thread a few months later, ranting that anyone on DU who falsely attributes statements to others should be PPR'd on the spot!)

Like I said, I always knew I was holding the winning hand - and I must admit I enjoyed watching this poster squirm, looking for something I know doesn't exist.

Those examples didn't support your point. Please, let it go. This isn't a winnable war and shouldn't be a war at all.

Those where were around remember and those who weren't can read the hatred for themselves. I'm good with that.

And do keep kicking ass, Nance.

LOL, some do not know sarcasm when they read it. I for one got what you were saying.

I don't know how to link to a specific post, however...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9004494

NanceGreggs
Response to Reply #40
57. Glad to know ...
... you have nothing to say to "your ilk".

Jesus Hussein Christ. Don't you gays and lesbians start putting your two cents in, when good-minded people are trying to defend your rights - uh, I mean the rights of "your ilk".


nofurylike
Response to Reply #57
62. perfect! and THAT really is the crux of it! thank you, Nance!! nt

n/t

it would seem pointless for me to "defend" that which is non-existent.

You, and others here, keep insisting that I posted "horrible comments" about GLBTers, have attacked them for speaking up for their rights, and have an anti-gay/lesbian rights agenda.

And yet you cannot come up with a single link to my doing any of the aforementioned, or holding any view other than that of total support for equal rights for ALL gays/lesbians.

But as I've already said, please keep posting links to where I've said the exact opposite of what you are attributing to me. You're doing a truly remarkable job of disproving your own allegations.

I certainly hope they do since all you can seem to do is try to change the meanings of what you wrote and call me a liar for posting your words.

Thanks, "fierce advocate."

Pathetic and desperate. You can't save your reputation here at DU by accusing me of changing your words.

You wrote the vile stuff, own it.

rears its ugly head again.

"Unless you've found a way to hack my DU account and erase all of those OPs, you are on incredibly shaky ground by continuing to insist that my position on this topic has ever wavered or changed."

You take that as "accusing you of hacking into my account"? You might want to consider some remedial reading classes, as you obviously CAN'T READ.

Still waiting for the links to all of that "vile stuff" ...

... which explains a lot.

How you read "unless you are able to hack into my DU account and erase all of my OPs" as accusing you of having the ability, or the skills required to do so, is beyond laughable.

But it IS yet another childish attempt to attribute a comment to me that I never made.

I'm sorry you can't understand plain English. But there's a lot of that going around lately, especially here on DU.

Back on topic (which you are clearly trying to avoid), I'm still waiting for the links to those "horrible comments" I allegedly made - you know, the ones that only exist in your head.

You don't even know how foolish your posts look, do you?

I've asked you to support your allegations with links to where I've stated what you insist I've stated - and you have repeatedly failed miserably in doing so.

This discussion is over. I refuse to continue discussing anything with someone who clings to their stupidity as though it were a badge of honour. If I wanted to do that, I'd sign up at FreeRepublic, or post on the FOX-News commentary sites.

When all you've got is a emoticon to support your arguments, you've already lost whatever argument you thought you were making.

I would recognize Nance's writing anywhere. And all of it disproved your case. That's why flame baiters rarely post links, because unless the links prove your point they aren't helpful and can even hurt your case, as it did here. I read each and every one of them, closely. I wanted to know if you were right. I wanted to know if there was a side to Nance that I was unaware of and would bother me. If those links had shown what you wanted, I would have been shocked.

They didn't. They showed Nance, same as she ever was, with the sardonic humor I love and they didn't bash gays. They just didn't. I know you want to believe that they did, but they didn't. If you can find some where she did bash gays, then please, put them here.

You lost when you posted those links. They proved you were wrong. I'm not the only one who saw that. Please let it go.

that supports your premise. I did see some outrageous statements, but not from Nance.

Thanks for the links!

n/t

after your accusation that Nance accused you of "hacking her account" I doubt it.

I just hope others read the links you provided and make up their own minds.

n/t