In 2010, after Congress passed President Obama’s health care reform bill, Vanderboegh used his Sipsey Street Irregulars blog to urge opponents to throw bricks through the windows of Democratic offices nationwide. “Break them NOW. Break them and run to break again. Break them under cover of night,” he wrote.

Thugs responded in several U.S. cities, including Wichita, Kan., Rochester, N.Y., and Tucson, Ariz., where bricks shattered the office windows of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, a Democrat who was later shot in the head by a deranged gunman with no known ties to Vanderboegh. At least 10 Democrats in Congress reported harassment, vandalism or death threats. Vanderboegh was unapologetic, telling The Washington Post that the attacks were a legitimate warning to Democratic lawmakers that health care reform could lead to civil war. Throwing bricks, he said, “is both good manners and it’s also a moral duty to try to warn people.”

It wasn’t the first call for criminal violence from the man who led the Sons of Liberty, an antigovernment militia, in the 1990s. In 2006, he urged people to throw bricks through the office windows of members of Congress who supported legislation giving undocumented immigrants the same rights as U.S. citizens.

In recent years, Vanderboegh was a founder of another Patriot group, THREE%ER, which takes its name from the theory that only 3% of American colonials actually fought the British. He also engaged in vigilante border patrols.

Here's a 2010 account from The Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/25/AR2010032501722.html

"To all modern Sons of Liberty: THIS is your time. Break their windows. Break them NOW."

These were the words of Mike Vanderboegh, a 57-year-old former militiaman from Alabama, who took to his blog urging people who opposed the historic health-care reform legislation -- he calls it "Nancy Pelosi's Intolerable Act" -- to throw bricks through the windows of Democratic offices nationwide.

"So, if you wish to send a message that Pelosi and her party [that they] cannot fail to hear, break their windows," Vanderboegh wrote on the blog, Sipsey Street Irregulars. "Break them NOW. Break them and run to break again. Break them under cover of night. Break them in broad daylight. Break them and await arrest in willful, principled civil disobedience. Break them with rocks. Break them with slingshots. Break them with baseball bats. But BREAK THEM."

In the days that followed, glass windows and doors were shattered at local Democratic Party offices and the district offices of House Democrats from Arizona to Kansas to New York. At least 10 Democratic lawmakers reported death threats, incidents of harassment or vandalism at their offices over the past week, and the FBI and Capitol Police are offering lawmakers increased protection.

big news, These gun threads are like trying to put toothpaste back in the tube.

Why do you not post this in the correct forum?

Is the exception still going?

As long as the recipients follow the state laws they will be fine.

Connecticut is where the Newtown massacre happened. I think this is the correct forum.

Guy is an idiot but he sent them to more then just Connecticut

terminology.

You are absolutely correct that a long time ago the AR-15 and similar "black rifles" that look similar to true fully automatic or burst fire assault rifles used by the military were advertised as "assault rifles".

I also remember that a fairly popular gun magazine tried to label such military style semi-auto rifles as "fun guns". That tactic failed to catch on.

to avoid the real issues. I agree with you there.

Where I have an issue with an AR15 not being an "assault" rifle, is that the yahoos attracted to them buy them for the similarity to fully automatic assaut weapons. To me that is sick. In fact it is sick enough that anyone attracted to thembfor that reason should be prohibited from owning gunz. As Joe Biden said to the gun nut in the debates, "if that's your baby", you are a friggin loon. (Not you, you, because you actually display some gun sense every now and then.)

the constant advertisement that it gets from gun control advocates.

In reality at close range, a 12 gauge shotgun is FAR more lethal.

In passing a high capacity 50 or 100 round magazine is often unreliable and often causes a firearm to jam. Clearing a jammed semi-auto firearm takes longer than changing a magazine.

In fact the fact that the Colorado theater shooter was using an AR-15 with a hi-cap magazine probably saved lives.

AR-15 weapons because they assume the guns are like 'the real thing'. Only most people who are unaware of the difference between such weapons would make such an assumption.

You know the difference, you just never leave your own small area to pretend you do not know the difference. Keep your blinders and your small viewpoint on so the rest of us are allowed to have an intelligent discussion.

it's time I should be committed and prevented from owning it, especially if I'm buying it to kill people in highly unlikely event "I fear for my life."

I take it you don't drink alcohol or drive a car, because both have killed lots of people.

Don't bother moving the goalposts.

was used to kill and maim thousands of men, women, and children.

Do you still want to carry one?

If one wants the dang things, they can't have them because they aren't sane enough to be around them. Of course, like Zimmerman, Lanza, NRA President's son, etc., they think they are sane and responsible right up until they aren't (not to mention the indirect effects of gun love).

It's less powerful than any of my other hunting rifles and I couldn't care less about the pistol grip or magazine. It's just a great, accurate, reliable deer gun. May I keep it, Sir?

promotion of the dang things. Make it a NewYear resolution, and don't backslide.

It's worth about $4K. Money I'd gladly spend to hop-up my .338 to a two-mile killer. But you'd love that..

I bet that 4 grand rifle tickles your fancy.

Even at 100m, it's all about bullet placement. That's why I love my AR-10 so dearly, she'll put a GameKing 165 into a deer out to 800 yards. I'll sell her for your confiscation fetis though, to barrel, bed and adjust that bolt-action 300 that will do it out to a thousand or so.

Don't complain boy, you enabled me. Made me trade a popgun for a Magnum.

nothing about a war zone is even thought about when doing these LEGAL sports

Some gun fanciers even liked the Trayvon Martin "thug" target.

The hunting excuse doesn't work well with me because most guns are not sold for hunting. The target shooting, is often just practicing for shooting people. That's kind of immoral too, but very popular among those in the so-called gun culture.

targets are square or round. Most people shoot at paper plates or cans and bottles because they are cheap.

Why are so few people shoot by AR-15s? Why is the number declining year by year?

Seems to be a major flaw in your "logic".

I hate to break this to you hack89, but the number of people killed annually by various AR-15s and their clones is increasing!

And that's a fact!

Because the FBI crime stats over the past 20 years say exactly the opposite. Rifles are the least likely murder weapon - knives, hands/feet and blunt objects each kill many more people.

Time you showed some hard numbers.

refused to answer any of my requests either when called out on it. Just kept spewing his talking points.

But they can still throw pooh. Luckily they're still behind that thick window!

type of rifle. TRUE

The post uses data selectively, ignoring the significant role of handguns in gun violence. But the statistics it mentions are solid. FBI data backs up the Facebook post’s claim that in 2011, more people were murdered with knives, "hands or feet" or "clubs and hammers" than with any type of rifle. We rate the statement True.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jan/18/facebook-posts/facebook-post-says-more-people-were-murdered-knive/

right before Christmas from being shot in the head at Arapahoe High School.

Does that mean all shotguns should be banned or does it mean that more attention should be paid to individuals with mental health problems?

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I love the firearms "jargon police"!

Semi automatic function. Same as those.

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/accessories/finder.asp?f1=029J&msrp=

Glad you seem to recognize the folly of the gungeon "jargon red herring"!

the Glock G18 9mm select fire handgun. Not too bad of a auto handgun.

Hi-Cap shotgun.........

Nice shotgun, not something I would own, but nice.

Hell, he even got a VIP factory tour before he got one!

In fact, his girl friend claimed he pointed it at her!

He should be in a prison cell for the rest of his life.
Now that I've gotten that rant out of me I feel better.

Woo hoo!

And we can do what to stop that? He was found not guilty of the charges. I may not agree with it but that is the facts.

You agree with the verdict?

I do not agree with it but I also was not in the jury that had all of the facts. I defer to our jury system.

go hunt him down, throw him in jail for what. I am sure you have a plan to punish him even though he was found not guilty by his peers in a court of law.

stuff

I prefer my old bolt action rifles, my AR for its modular design. Do not have the use for a shotgun. The VP says I should have one though.

Not semi or full auto.

so would 10 be good, I guess that other 4 make it that much more dangerous.

What do you mean? Cycled or reloaded?

I guess 10 would be enough in a pump action shotgun. The pump action has only been around for over 100+ years.

Ever seen those little Aguila short buck and slug shells?

Now? What is the capacity of that shotgun that Zimmerman owns?

The community doesn't want to discuss this. Hide! Hide!

I just try and follow the rules

as I do not agree with them on issues, so I have no username

Do not know what CC is so I guess I do not have a user name.

I suppose you do not know what DUCKHUNTER means either.

And if you looked up some of my posts I am in favor of control measures that would actually make a difference and not just cosmetic or feel good measures.

Questions for you, When has a bayonet lug killed anyone? Why ban it?

Why can two rifles, each with the exact same operational parts have one banned and one legal just because one has an adjustable stock?

something about AR-15's being all about cosmetics and so-called "assault rifles" being just one feature different than normal rifle blah blah blah.


Let's focus on those and not highly restricting/banning high capacity magazines or getting universal background checks so private purchases and gun show purchases are also subject to background checks.

By federal law, ALL FFL dealers must perform them and that is most booths at any gun show. It is not a GUN SHOW loophole it is a PRIVATE SALE loophole but the former sounds bad. Now private sales between two people within the same state (intrastate private seller transfer) may happen in the parking lot or in a persons garage. Since this is state controlled it may differ by state. I agree lets do something about that. How about opening NICS up for private sales? How about making sure all mental heath records are in NICS? How about ensuring all domestic violence convictions are in NICS, same with restraining orders? The database is only as good as the data in it. 100% check with bad or missing data is useless.

How about issuing a license to purchase and own a firearm. Could be by type and you would have to demonstrate firearms safety and handling. Background check could be done when issued. Have it buy a weapon no waiting period. Transfers done through FFL to verify.

also, how about the fucking NRA-fed Rethuglicans stopping their attempts to starve ATF of leadership and funds they need to adequately enforce the existing gun laws?

That is the coldest form of cynicism in this debate. Everyone in the citizens' lobbying arm for gun companies (NRA) love to spout "how about we enforce the current gun laws instead of writing new ones"? Uh, yeah dipshits...how about your fuckwit GOP congressperson stop voting against appropriations needed to staff the folks who do the enforcement?

And how about we both ENFORCE EXISTING LAWS and work on passing sensible NEW LAWS?

at premium prices to folks who seek me out because they want a gun but can't pass the lax bckground check. I'd benefit from gun show promoters advertising and the yahoos it draws. I can't do it too often, or i'd need a license. But I could do it, if callous as most gun fanciers, but I don't want to be involved in trading lethal weapons to gun yahoos. That is the very definition of a loophole.

The gun apologists try to call that "private sales," like it's perfectfully OK for gun traffickers to sell a gun in a back alley for a fistful of dollars. Private sales without a licensed dealer -- to check background and keep documentation -- involved should be a felony a well.

Then you would be doing ten years in Club Fed.

You could sell one or two, but any more than that and you'll get a very unpleasant visit from the ATF with the added bonus of a possible 10 year sentence at a Club Fed of the govt's choosing.

You said one or two. Which is it? Or how about three or four?

How many firearms is a non-FFL private individual permitted to sell? What does the law state?

If you set a booth and try to sell more than 2, the local cops or ATF are gonna want to see an FFL.

You can do that for us ......... can't you?

but if you set up a booth at a gun show and attempt to sell guns, you're probably going to get a visit from the locals or the on site ATF agent.

That means that the ATF can't do a damn thing about it.

Since you seem unable to cite the law that validates your claim, look at this passage in 18 U.S. Code § 921 - Definitions

(22) The term “with the principal objective of livelihood and profit” means that the intent underlying the sale or disposition of firearms is predominantly one of obtaining livelihood and pecuniary gain, as opposed to other intents, such as improving or liquidating a personal firearms collection: Provided, That proof of profit shall not be required as to a person who engages in the regular and repetitive purchase and disposition of firearms for criminal purposes or terrorism. For purposes of this paragraph, the term “terrorism” means activity, directed against United States persons, which—
(A) is committed by an individual who is not a national or permanent resident alien of the United States;

(B) involves violent acts or acts dangerous to human life which would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States; and

(C) is intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping.

Now, what if I claim I'm just "liquidating part of my collection"?

You never disappoint.

Every gun sold in the US should be transferred via FFL, recorded in their bound book for later LE scrutiny if needed. No computerized database, no registration, just a paper trail. It's how I've deaccessioned every firearm I've ever sold and had no problem with it. There's no database for the Feds to ID gun owners (nevermind a CCW already does that), let alone into on what we all own...but every firearm has a paper trail.

I mean, who would argue that?

for a fistful of cash. Otherwise, they fear they will lose profits on gun sales, or more importantly, lose access to gunz if they pull a Zimmerman and get rightly convicted.

From page 5 of the form 4473

It is unlawful for a person to engage in the business of dealing in firearms without a license. A person is engaged in the business of dealing in firearms if he/she devotes time, attention and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms. A license is not required of a person who only makes occasional sales,exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his/her personal collection of firearms.

gun shows have no special loophole and state laws very as this is an intrastate transaction

them to any yahoo with a fistful of cash without a background check. There are a bunch of yahoos at guns shows.

Here's a diverse crowd waiting to get into a gun show to buy "assault" weapons just one week after Sandy Hook:




Loopholes are not illegal. For example, the mortgage interest deduction is considered a loophole.

"Here's some people I don't like, therefore guns are bad, mmkay?"

That's how that works. Thank dog for the NRA sponsored passage of The Firearm Owners' Protection Act (FOPA).

run an ad in the paper and make transfer in person. Many gun fanciers do just that.

Until such time as the Congress changes the law, it's perfectly legal, except in some states where all transactions have to have a background check.

I'm all for every firearm transaction having a b/c.

then there's nothing that can be done about what you deem immoral and not good for our society.