Well happy new year to you too....... no matter our calendar of time.

May your posts improve next year as compared to the past year.

But I guess India has their own new year.

Don't get me Wrong

Or a man, for that matter. You'll get a nose-bopping and deserve it.

starting after the theft of the 2000 election to get the truth out.

You sure manage to jump into Snowden threads almost as soon as the are posted. How do you do that?

Maybe an NSA feed that is sent out as the post is being written?



Pure speculation on my part.

it was a funny way to draw people into the the thread.

Happy New year my friend.

Happy New Year...and may your posts continue to be awesome.
And may Snowden and Greenwald get some relief from the dogs of propaganda nipping at their heels.

After that, you don't ask why

to expose these Bush policies, and a decade at least for us to fully understand why the lack of will in the Dem Party, seemingly, to stop them?

In the scheme of things a decade probably isn't that long, but it felt that way.

I feel that there are big changes coming, they have to and Greenwald, Snowden and all the other Whistle Blowers, we should not forget them, deserve a huge thank you from this country and as much support as we can give them. They are very courageous people.

And Chesea Manning. I hope in the not too distant future she will be free and recognized as the hero she is. Binney too and all the others who tried to warn us.

Snowden and Greenwald, that is.
Our government has assumed too much power already.

that eats the bullshit that's going on.

The Paradigm of change which is extremely difficult
be it social, techno, political or ........

Happy New Year...

and another wish that Snowden will trigger off other brave souls to come forward in the coming year. And Greenwald will encourage more actual journalists to do their jobs.

The NSA has destroyed our tech industry because of their intrusions into your hard drives, routers, motherboards... etc.

JUST WAIT FOR THE LAWSUITS.

used to shoot people, and send their families the bill for the bullet.

Thanks for the thread, and Happy New Year, Ichingcarpenter.

You seem to know what is what......
without saying a lot.

enough to make them.

In A Power Governments Cannot Suppress Zinn observed:

It is easy to be overwhelmed or intimidated by the realization that the war makers have enormous power. But some historical perspective can be useful, because it tells us that at certain points in history governments find that all their power is futile against the power of an aroused citizenry.

There is a basic weakness in governments, however massive their armies, however vast their wealth, however they control images and information, because their power depends on the obedience of citizens...When the citizens begin to suspect they have been deceived and withdraw their support, government loses its legitimacy and its power.

We have seen this happen in recent decades all around the globe. Awaking one morning to see a million angry people in the streets of the capital city, the leaders of a country begin packing their bags and calling for a helicopter.

If we the people were so powerless, why would the elites go to so much trouble concealing the content of these so-called "free trade" negotiations?

If he messes with them at all, he will be responsible for any terrorist attacks that might result.

Worse, they may have "data" on him that he might not like to be revealed to the public.

wonderful, all inclusive programs to catch terrorists, how did Snowden get away with so much data? Dont they compartmentalize? Dont they have programs to spy on their own people? Didnt his supervisor ever wonder what he was doing? Just how safe is the data that Booz-Allen has access to?

And apparently we cant convince those in Europe that the data isnt real. Sen Wyden and Sen Udall think the data is real, as they've seen the evidence.

Dont you think it's real?

Would the government be after him if it was made up?

Happy New Year!

with what they are doing. Rec

...you made me look. Happy New Year

Try this, instead:

democracy and our constitution, in spite of the high cost to themselves.

Too bad the same can't be said of our "fearless leaders."

...and expected the body of your post to read "...their asses"!

High cost to themselves? Greenwald is basking in the sun in Brazil making hundreds of thousands of dollars and Snowden is living off the Russian government.

Yeah, what a cost!

protecting their future as lobbyists and their mic portfolios.

Hyperbole at it's finest. They are about attracting attention to themselves. Holy moly.

Hell, even our "Constitutional scholar" president has no problem shredding the Constitution.

Maybe consider Snowy is not a scholar of anything? Or maybe you aren't? Try reading this case:

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/world/us-district-judge-pauleys-ruling-in-aclu-vs-clapper/723/

For some perspective and things Snowy didn't consider.

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K&R

They would get a lot more credit if their supporters did not make extravagant exaggerations about their contradiction.

ALOT!

That's the first of your great 2014 posts!

Here's to many more in the most unfinished conversation of the decade.