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cali

(114,904 posts)
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 02:17 PM Jan 2014

This needs to happen EVERYWHERE: Idaho to take over privately-run state prison

BOISE, Idaho — Idaho’s governor says the corrections department will take over operation of the largest privately-run prison in the state after recent problems including understaffing, multiple lawsuits and a criminal investigation into possible contract fraud.

Gov. C.L. “Butch” Otter made the announcement Friday at a preview of the upcoming legislative session held by the Associated Press.

Corrections Corporation of America has contracted with the state to run the prison since it was built in 1997. Taxpayers currently pay CCA $29 million per year to operate the 2,080-bed prison south of Boise

The prison has been the subject of multiple lawsuits alleging rampant violence, understaffing, gang activity and contract fraud, and some of the lawsuits have resulted in federal court orders to improve conditions

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/idaho-to-take-over-privately-run-state-prison/2014/01/03/15df9de4-7498-11e3-bc6b-712d770c3715_story.html

read the entire article and you'll realize that we largely have the AP to thanks for doing old style investigative reporting and exposing CCA.

The feds need to shut down this obscenity of a business.

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This needs to happen EVERYWHERE: Idaho to take over privately-run state prison (Original Post) cali Jan 2014 OP
Private prisons = human merchandise Blue Owl Jan 2014 #1
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #2
Kentucky shut down the last of its for-proft prisons just recently. factsarenotfair Jan 2014 #3
Excellent to hear! Didn't know that. cali Jan 2014 #5
I'm with you! Private prisons should be illegal EVERYWHERE! If you're making a PROFIT off a prison loudsue Jan 2014 #11
And all you get is...more prisoners truebluegreen Jan 2014 #22
Damned Straight... elzenmahn Jan 2014 #24
Good for them! Wounded Bear Jan 2014 #6
K & R...for...well, just for..... Wounded Bear Jan 2014 #4
Amazing that it's happening in Idaho. Cleita Jan 2014 #7
$29M/yr for 2,000 beds? The Blue Flower Jan 2014 #8
$14,500 per prisoner per year is pretty standard, maybe even a little low-- truebluegreen Jan 2014 #20
But does that $14.5K INCLUDE labor costs, facility maintenance rocktivity Jan 2014 #39
Yes. It is usually framed as "costing X to house a prisoner for a year" truebluegreen Jan 2014 #40
DING DING DING! Truebluegreen, you're our grand prize winner! rocktivity Jan 2014 #42
Of course, prisoners are commodities, truebluegreen Jan 2014 #43
This malaise Jan 2014 #9
The private prison model is failing. MADem Jan 2014 #10
Buying politicians is a highly profitable investment: Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #13
True, that. The thing is, there's now a stink associated with those things, which is a good start. MADem Jan 2014 #38
There should be no such thing as private prisons. nt bemildred Jan 2014 #12
The BOD & CEO of CCA deserves to rot in their own prisons thelordofhell Jan 2014 #14
I fully agree, as I have said before: gopiscrap Jan 2014 #15
Defense too jmowreader Jan 2014 #35
Yup you're right gopiscrap Jan 2014 #41
Sounds like they are being pushed into it against their will and "principles", truebluegreen Jan 2014 #16
yep- but that's part of what makes me so hopeful about this cali Jan 2014 #18
Maybe they think nilesobek Jan 2014 #17
that just sounds logical to me. I'm still glad of it. cali Jan 2014 #25
HUGE K&R redqueen Jan 2014 #19
There are some things that should NOT be run for profit Matariki Jan 2014 #21
Private prison presents perverse... err... incentives. Ed Suspicious Jan 2014 #23
so does for profit health care reddread Jan 2014 #28
Couldn't agree more. Outcome based compensation Ed Suspicious Jan 2014 #29
Profiting from Misery Scalded Nun Jan 2014 #26
May this spread like a flu! Squinch Jan 2014 #27
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch.....nt Enthusiast Jan 2014 #30
Can we hope that this signals an end to the rush to privatize everything liberal N proud Jan 2014 #31
But, but, but rich people won't get richer that way!!!! nt valerief Jan 2014 #32
k and r..thanks for posting. Stuart G Jan 2014 #33
"Taxpayers currently pay CCA $29 million per year" rocktivity Jan 2014 #34
Let's hope Jan Brewer does the same (don't hold your breath) panader0 Jan 2014 #36
+FOREVER!!! Moostache Jan 2014 #37
This was a long time coming IDemo Jan 2014 #44
Republicans won't like prisons so much if they are run ... gulliver Jan 2014 #45
To quote Kanye West: DemocraticWing Jan 2014 #46
This is an entire industry that needs to shut down Jack Rabbit Jan 2014 #47

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
11. I'm with you! Private prisons should be illegal EVERYWHERE! If you're making a PROFIT off a prison
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 02:43 PM
Jan 2014

then the prisoners are being short changed AND the taxpayers are paying too much to house their prisoners.

elzenmahn

(904 posts)
24. Damned Straight...
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 03:56 PM
Jan 2014

...and remember, some of the biggest lobbying efforts for increased prison time for various offenses (like drugs) have been by CCA and G4S/Wackenhut.

By any means necessary, indeed.

Wounded Bear

(58,656 posts)
4. K & R...for...well, just for.....
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 02:20 PM
Jan 2014

hoping we can end this insanity. For profit prisons? Who could have foreseen the problems?

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
7. Amazing that it's happening in Idaho.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 02:24 PM
Jan 2014

But I'm applauding the move nonetheless. I hope the institutionally, Republican dominated government tries to run things in a non-partisan way instead of the conservative way they are prone to doing.




 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
20. $14,500 per prisoner per year is pretty standard, maybe even a little low--
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 03:41 PM
Jan 2014

it's in the ballpark of an Ivy League education. Multiply that by 1.6 million prisoners (2.25 million if you count federal/state/county--everybody). Many of them are in for non-violent crimes or other stupidities like 3-strike laws, mandatory minimums etc. An obscene waste.

ETA: What's worse, in this case, is that $14,500 per bed was apparently not enough, since CCA cheated on their labor costs, and another company didn't even want to bid for the contract.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
39. But does that $14.5K INCLUDE labor costs, facility maintenance
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 05:38 PM
Jan 2014

and prisoner programs/services over and above meals and uniforms?


rocktivity

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
40. Yes. It is usually framed as "costing X to house a prisoner for a year"
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 05:59 PM
Jan 2014

and that includes everything you mentioned (with the possible exception of programs/services)(which I bet are the first things to go by the wayside in a for-profit system).

Problem is a private company is looking to make $$$ and has a motive to a) charge as much as possible for their services while b) providing as little as possible. A state-run facility would look to run more on a break-even basis and might even have goals beyond lining their pockets. States don't have an incentive to build ever-bigger prisons and fill them up with ever more people. To me the most despicable thing about private prisons is their contractual demand for full occupancy, leading to the criminalization of more things, leading to bigger prisons, leading to new contracts etc etc etc.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
42. DING DING DING! Truebluegreen, you're our grand prize winner!
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 06:18 PM
Jan 2014

Last edited Sat Jan 4, 2014, 10:49 AM - Edit history (2)

...(Prisoner) programs/services...I bet are the first things to go by the wayside in a for-profit system...

And rightly so -- what better way to create more prisoners (and profits) than to deny them programs, counseling and services that could possibly KEEP them out of jail!


rocktivity

MADem

(135,425 posts)
10. The private prison model is failing.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 02:32 PM
Jan 2014

This is a long, long article on the subject--it really is long--but it is worth reading.

A key part of the piece is here, but it's by no means the whole magilla:


Follow the Money

If private prisons are so bad, why do state governments continue allowing them? Brickner attributes this to an honest belief among policymakers that privatization is cheaper, but he also points to campaign contributions.

“We can’t ignore that there is a lot of money at play here,” says Brickner, citing the massive profits from private prison companies and the campaign contributions they give to politicians.

According to campaign contribution data from the Ohio Secretary of State, the GEO Group donated $10,000 to Kasich and $52,000 to the Republican Governors Association, which helped fund Kasich’s gubernatorial campaign, in 2010. Between 2003 and 2006, CCA gave $7,000 to Ohio Republicans and former Gov. Bob Taft. In 2010, CCA gave $50,000 to the Republican Governors Association. There were also reports that CCA gave $10,000 to Kasich’s transition fund in December 2010. Between 2007 and 2010, MTC donated a total of $99,000 to state policymakers.

That money might not seem like much in comparison to federal campaigns that raise millions of dollars a month. But in state terms, it’s a lot. Three contributors giving a few hundred thousand dollars is a decent amount of cash in the context of state elections, and that’s only what can be found in public records.


I can sense the worm is starting to turn on this issue. When they finally legalize pot, that will get rid of a ton of prisoners, and these private prisons need bodies--lots of them, living in substandard and barely tolerable conditions--to make the system profitable. Getting rid of all the weedies will cut the population enormously, and if they develop a new paradigm for the whole "drug" thing, they'd have a hard time ginning up the numbers to make the money they'd need.

They'll probably switch to running charter schools...!

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
13. Buying politicians is a highly profitable investment:
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 03:13 PM
Jan 2014

A few hundred thousand dollars to keep a $29 million a year contract.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
38. True, that. The thing is, there's now a stink associated with those things, which is a good start.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 05:21 PM
Jan 2014

It's something that an opponent can use to challenge a politician. No one likes a jerk who trafficks in human misery.

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
15. I fully agree, as I have said before:
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 03:24 PM
Jan 2014

HEALTH, EDUCATION, JUSTICE, TRANSPORTATION, UTILITIES AND COMMUNICATION
SHOULD NEVER BE PRIVATIZED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
35. Defense too
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 05:09 PM
Jan 2014

Expect this Attack On The Sacred Private Sector to be an issue in the primaries. People are already pissed about the exchange Otter got through. Now he is attacking Free Enterprise? Oh my, next thing ya know he'll attack apple pie and motherhood.

The reality is this was long overdue.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
16. Sounds like they are being pushed into it against their will and "principles",
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 03:27 PM
Jan 2014

as opposed to doing the right thing for the right reasons. A bastion of the school of thought that private is better, Idaho is also one of the biggest exporters of prisoners to private prisons in other states.



 

cali

(114,904 posts)
18. yep- but that's part of what makes me so hopeful about this
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 03:38 PM
Jan 2014

if even Idaho is recognizing that they can't get away with it, that's good.

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
17. Maybe they think
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 03:31 PM
Jan 2014

they can, "get out ahead," of public opinion and the coming big lawsuits. Excuse me for being so cynical as a local.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
21. There are some things that should NOT be run for profit
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 03:44 PM
Jan 2014

Prisons foremost. The obvious problem is that it's profitable to keep prisons full which does not serve society at all.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
28. so does for profit health care
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 04:13 PM
Jan 2014

even with magnified/mandated insurance payers and healthier co-pays, will healthy people really be satisfactory for the rapacious appetites of greed?

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
29. Couldn't agree more. Outcome based compensation
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 04:24 PM
Jan 2014

instead of the current procedure based compensation is needed. Or even better to my mind, flat salary with outcome based bonuses.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
31. Can we hope that this signals an end to the rush to privatize everything
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 04:47 PM
Jan 2014

There are some things that private companies cannot do as well as the government and should be left to the government.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
34. "Taxpayers currently pay CCA $29 million per year"
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 05:01 PM
Jan 2014

of which the Corrections Corporation of America pockets as much as possible (if only out of a moral obligation to stockholders).

The business of incarceration should NOT be business.


rocktivity

panader0

(25,816 posts)
36. Let's hope Jan Brewer does the same (don't hold your breath)
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 05:09 PM
Jan 2014

Brewer has ties to private prisons, and that may be one of the reasons for the 1070 bill about illegals.
More people in prison, more money. Interesting find: her maiden name was Drinkwine, now Brewer.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
37. +FOREVER!!!
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 05:16 PM
Jan 2014

Thank you for posting this...it is one of my most infuriating problems with the privitization of EVERYTHING that so many GOP/Wingnuts are so enamored with!!!

There are basic duties that MUST remain in the hands of the state for the good of the people and the most fundamental of these duties is the right to enforce punishments in service to the law. When private companies have economic incentives to subvert the rule of law (by either outright fraud, bribery and kick-backs), it mocks the very foundation of our society. It is bad enough that money on the top end is used to buy "justice" in the form of no-prosecution white-collar crime; but when the poor and the vulnerable are exploited for profits of private prisons, we are too far down a slippery slope for my comfort.

One man, one vote.
Equal justice before the law.
Federal enforcement of regulations.

These are principles for what I consider essential to "good government"; and they are eternally (in the last 30+ years increasingly) under fire and disparagment from the right.

Believing in these prinicples - and other related precepts like a fundamental RIGHT to health care in this nation and a fundamental NEED for society to invest as heavily in educating and feeding its population as it invests in spying on them or invading other nations - leaves me no common ground with modern republicans and too little comfort with the Third Way crowd.

There are simply some things that the government is the ONLY answer to, and law enforcement and criminal detention fall squarely in that camp for me and always will.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
44. This was a long time coming
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 12:15 AM
Jan 2014

The level of incompetence by CCA in running the institution, so violent it was nicknamed the "Gladiator School" by inmates, finally made the very idea of a rebid on the contract by CCA an absurdity. Good riddance to another free market solution.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
45. Republicans won't like prisons so much if they are run ...
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 02:48 AM
Jan 2014

Last edited Sat Jan 4, 2014, 03:15 PM - Edit history (1)

... by government employees. This is a good development.

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
46. To quote Kanye West:
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 04:46 AM
Jan 2014

"Meanwhile the DEA
Teamed up with the CCA
They tryna lock n****s up
They tryna make new slaves
See that's that privately owned prisons
Get your piece today
They prolly all in the Hamptons
Braggin' 'bout what they made"

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
47. This is an entire industry that needs to shut down
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 12:22 PM
Jan 2014

Imagine an industry that lobbies legislatures to pass more silly laws and make sentences stiffer. Never mind, the private prison industry already does that.

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