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PCIntern

(25,552 posts)
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 05:37 PM Jan 2014

Whoa...if this is true then N. Korea is out of control...

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation_world/Report_N.html


Report: Was Kim Jong Un's uncle fed alive to dogs?


A report from a Chinese newspaper says that North Korea's leader, Kim Jong Un, executed his uncle by feeding him stripped and naked to starved dogs, according to several media reports.

Several other news organizations were circulating the story, but none appears to have verified the version independently.

The Straits Times, which covers Asia, published a story Dec. 24 that the execution of Jang Song Thaek, who was the number two man in North Korea, was a horrifying scene. The newspaper based its story on Dec. 12 account published in the Hong Kong based publication, Wen Wei Po., which often serves as a mouthpiece for Beijing officials. According to the report, Jang was not killed by firing squad.

Rather: "he was stripped naked and thrown into a cage, along with his five closest aides. Then 120 hounds, starved for three days, were allowed to prey on them until they were completely eaten up. This is called "quan jue", or execution by dogs." The process took up to an hour and Jong Un supervised it, according to the account.


Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation_world/Report_N.html#1wQVSt0ZFtgtjIiT.99
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Whoa...if this is true then N. Korea is out of control... (Original Post) PCIntern Jan 2014 OP
NK is way out of control, not just started. Rex Jan 2014 #1
Not good... PCIntern Jan 2014 #2
A horrible conflict, but it would be terribly one-sided. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #6
Yes and the scary thing is China is the only nation Rex Jan 2014 #12
axis of evil, maybe? Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #11
China will have to do something about NK eventually. Rex Jan 2014 #14
While KJU is mad as a hatter, this doesn't pass the smell test for me. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #3
I believe the point is that since this was PCIntern Jan 2014 #4
Agreed. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #7
Not just the uncle, the uncle and 5 aides. We may never know if this is true. stevenleser Jan 2014 #25
What would have made the story way more awesome would have been if Vinnie From Indy Jan 2014 #29
Stop making me laugh at something so gruesome! NBachers Jan 2014 #34
Couldn't we just ask Rodman for confirmation? Earth_First Jan 2014 #5
I 120-dog-dare you to do that! nt PCIntern Jan 2014 #8
That would be: I "vigincentuple" dog dare you. Glassunion Jan 2014 #15
Thread win, just for utter geekyness. nt longship Jan 2014 #33
I was told he threw his uncle into a shark tank. wait. no...that's not it. Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #9
Fire Ants with freakin' lasers on their heads. n/t A HERETIC I AM Jan 2014 #24
If true, it shows that Kim Jong Un is old school. Kaleva Jan 2014 #10
I heard he was strapped to a chair onethatcares Jan 2014 #13
I would too davidpdx Jan 2014 #38
to the contrary, such extreme measures communicate that it is very much geek tragedy Jan 2014 #16
Dognado CreekDog Jan 2014 #17
that made me laugh Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #26
I heard they were also dumping babies out of incubators Alamuti Lotus Jan 2014 #18
There must be some mistake here. lpbk2713 Jan 2014 #19
But the story doesn't say who let the dogs out jberryhill Jan 2014 #20
DAMN!!! DUZY!!! lolol Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #27
I don't know how true it is, but it does help boost his scary factor as a dictator if you believe it herding cats Jan 2014 #21
I highly doubt this. Why go to all that trouble when a single bullet accomplishes the same thing? Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #22
Yes, it's silly to think a dictator would waste money by requesting impractical things CreekDog Jan 2014 #28
Remember Saddam Hussein's alleged shredder? Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #31
just round them up Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #36
The uncle and 5 aides were executed at once. That is only 20 dogs per criminal. FarCenter Jan 2014 #37
Sound like one of those Batman scenarios goldent Jan 2014 #40
That's just sick Packerowner740 Jan 2014 #23
The crazy bastard also made the uncle and others Vinnie From Indy Jan 2014 #30
A lot of people are skeptical about this. AngryOldDem Jan 2014 #32
There are not that many dogs in NK lordsummerisle Jan 2014 #35
The story about the dogs is probably not true davidpdx Jan 2014 #39
This story originated from a satirical post to a social media site Fumesucker Jan 2014 #41
The reports I've read said "probably machine gun", so I suspect it's not true. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #42
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
1. NK is way out of control, not just started.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 05:38 PM
Jan 2014

If any nation on this planet needed liberating, it is NK. There are others of note, but NK is a horrible nation that punishes and executes its people on the whim of a crazy dictator.

PCIntern

(25,552 posts)
2. Not good...
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 05:44 PM
Jan 2014

can you imagine the holocaust between NK and China? Horrifying in scope and implications for the rest of us.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
6. A horrible conflict, but it would be terribly one-sided.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 05:47 PM
Jan 2014

NK has a handful of nukes, but their launch vehicle is unreliable. China would probably avoid using its own nuclear arsenal (NK being so close to other countries), but its military isn't the paper tiger it once was. If China was attacked with nuclear weapons, they'd reduce Pyongyang to rubble in a few days....with very little concern for there being any survivors.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
12. Yes and the scary thing is China is the only nation
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 05:52 PM
Jan 2014

that has any type of control over NK. I think that all changed with this latest crazy dictator. His offing of the uncle, reminds me a lot of Saddam Hussein (another horrible dictator that maybe was not crazy, just evil) THIS current dictator in NK is both imo (crazy and evil).

Let us hope one day China decides to do something about NK, it is their making and as far as I am concerned their responsibility. North Korea is a travesty of a nation and just waiting for a holocaust type culling of their society. He really is that evil crazy imo, all the Kim Jongs seem to be mad and evil to the core.

We can only hope that one day Korea will be reunited like Germany was. The people of NK deserve it.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
14. China will have to do something about NK eventually.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 05:57 PM
Jan 2014

It is just a detriment to their nation now (since there is no more Red Menace) and sadly shows how little China believes in simple things like freedom and democracy.

Before they get all big and mighty on the seas with a military, they need to deal with NK and the crazy man in charge there. Their social experiment is over and was an obvious failure. NK communism led the way for a small state (wealthy) party and a crazy dictator in NK. Even China doesn't pretend to be communist anymore. They should clean up their messes imo.

We might not be the best thing to happen to SK, but we are close imo.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
3. While KJU is mad as a hatter, this doesn't pass the smell test for me.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 05:44 PM
Jan 2014

Single (dubious) source, no independent corroboration, ridiculous number of dogs (as if more than about a tenth of that number could actually get to the guy at a time...), vague description of the duration (if there was an actual witness, why say "up to an hour?" A witness would know...).

I smell bullshit.

PCIntern

(25,552 posts)
4. I believe the point is that since this was
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 05:47 PM
Jan 2014

published in China in the manner in which it was, then relations between the States are not so hot. If it's true it's horrific...if it's not, then there are other just-as-frightining implications.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
25. Not just the uncle, the uncle and 5 aides. We may never know if this is true.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 07:23 PM
Jan 2014

Hard to know what to believe coming out of that place.

Vinnie From Indy

(10,820 posts)
29. What would have made the story way more awesome would have been if
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 07:30 PM
Jan 2014

the uncle and the rest of the poor SOB's tossed into the cage were thickly coated in peanut butter and then rolled in Snausages.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
9. I was told he threw his uncle into a shark tank. wait. no...that's not it.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 05:48 PM
Jan 2014

he buried his uncle up to his chin in sand and released fire ants.

onethatcares

(16,168 posts)
13. I heard he was strapped to a chair
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 05:53 PM
Jan 2014

and made to listen to every speech by gwb and sarah palin.. After 4 hours he begged for the dogs.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
16. to the contrary, such extreme measures communicate that it is very much
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 06:02 PM
Jan 2014

under control, i.e. under the control of a monster.


 

Alamuti Lotus

(3,093 posts)
18. I heard they were also dumping babies out of incubators
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 06:06 PM
Jan 2014

And of course, you should always believe everything that you read, especially when you're predisposed to uncritically accept it anyway.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
21. I don't know how true it is, but it does help boost his scary factor as a dictator if you believe it
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 06:50 PM
Jan 2014

Which I'm going to guess is the main reason the Chinese paper reported the rumor. It cost China nothing to spread the rumor, which my gut says they did with a wink and a nod to Kim Jong Un. I didn't keep up with how the two countries talks were going this summer, but I'm pretty sure neither one was willing to give the other too much. This cost China nothing to toss out there as speculation.

Of course I'm totally guessing, but at a glance it looks pretty thin to me. I mean, it's not as if Kim Jong Un would try and keep something like this a secret if it were true. Not when spreading fear helps cement his image as a scary and unpredictable ruler, who just so happens to be waving his nukes around in a bid for national attention. I wouldn't be surprised if he was having a tantrum because his execution of his uncle didn't earn him the reaction from the western world he wanted and so he decided to ratchet it up a bit.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
22. I highly doubt this. Why go to all that trouble when a single bullet accomplishes the same thing?
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 07:17 PM
Jan 2014

Who the hell wants to pay for the upkeep of 120 killer dogs just in case you want to horribly murder an uncle? I only have one dog and he's enough work as it is.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
37. The uncle and 5 aides were executed at once. That is only 20 dogs per criminal.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 12:31 AM
Jan 2014

Reportedly those executed were consumed by the dogs. That would be several pounds per dog.

Pigs, reportedly used by criminal gangs in the US to dispose of bodies, would seem to be much more capable.

goldent

(1,582 posts)
40. Sound like one of those Batman scenarios
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 03:06 AM
Jan 2014

Last edited Thu Jan 9, 2014, 12:10 PM - Edit history (1)

back on the old TV show. The villains could have killed Batman and Robin ten times over, but they always had to do some complicated death contraption, of which Batman would always escape (typically with something in the utility belt).

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
32. A lot of people are skeptical about this.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 07:35 PM
Jan 2014

A BBC story noted that the Singapore paper that reported this is rabidly anti-communist, and that the story was encouraged by China, which may be angry because the uncle was working toward strengthening economic ties between North Korea and China.

But this is North Korea and its Little Leader, so who will know for sure?

lordsummerisle

(4,651 posts)
35. There are not that many dogs in NK
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 08:24 PM
Jan 2014

They've mostly all been eaten. Source I believe is Nothing to envy: ordinary lives of North Koreans.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
41. This story originated from a satirical post to a social media site
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 03:15 AM
Jan 2014
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/kim-jongun-uncle-fed-to-120-dogs-story-begun-by-chinese-satirist-9042072.html

The news first emerged from a Hong Kong tabloid, Wen Wei Po, which described how Jang Song Thaek and five of his aides were thrown in a cage with hounds that had been starved for three days and subjected to “death by dogs”.

Kim was supposed to have watched on throughout the hour-long ordeal, flanked by scores of North Korean officials – but the source of the account is named as Pyongyang Choi Seongho, who the US blogger Trevor Powell pointed out is a China-based satirist and “ online personality”.

The story was nonetheless reported by the English-language Singapore daily Straits Times, and from there quickly made headlines around the western world.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
42. The reports I've read said "probably machine gun", so I suspect it's not true.
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 04:59 AM
Jan 2014

Hard to be certain when NK is so secretive, though.

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