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Jmaxfie1

(712 posts)
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 05:36 AM Jan 2014

Best President Since 1900?

These would be your choices:
William McKinley (1897-1901)
Theodore Roosevelt (1901-1909)
William Howard Taft (1909-1913)
Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921)
Warren G. Harding (1921-1923)
Calvin Coolidge (1923-1929)
Herbert Hoover (1929-1933)
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945)
Harry S Truman (1945-1953)
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953-1961)
John F. Kennedy (1961-1963)
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-1969)
Richard Nixon (1969-1974)
Gerald Ford (1974-1977)
Jimmy Carter (1977-1981)
Ronald Reagan (1981-1989)
George Bush (1989-1993)
Bill Clinton (1993-2001)
George W. Bush (2001-2009)
Barack Obama (2009-present)

Pick your Best three and bottom three. If you want pick bottom three democrats also!

My Favorite: FDR, Truman, JFK. Least favorite Democrats: Wilson, Clinton, Carter.

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Best President Since 1900? (Original Post) Jmaxfie1 Jan 2014 OP
Any ideas? n/t Jmaxfie1 Jan 2014 #1
Taft, m@#%^rf£€{ers. Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #2
Taft has the dubious distinction of being the only major party candidate Art_from_Ark Jan 2014 #33
Mine... jmowreader Jan 2014 #3
Best: FDR, JFK, Carter putitinD Jan 2014 #4
FDR, LBJ and Obama Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #5
Last statesmen? FatBuddy Jan 2014 #6
How about least favorite republicans instead! B Calm Jan 2014 #7
Hoover I kinda sorta feel bad for... Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #10
FDR, LBJ ananda Jan 2014 #8
FDR, Truman, LBJ nt brush Jan 2014 #9
Best: FDR & Eisenhower (one of each party) TBF Jan 2014 #11
TR & Eisenhower were both republicans fishwax Jan 2014 #14
Yes, thank you - TBF Jan 2014 #15
FDR, LBJ, Eisenhower Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #12
best: FDR, JFK, Truman worse: G W Bush, Clinton, Reagan anasv Jan 2014 #13
Teddy Roosevelt. RadleyJ Jan 2014 #16
lol Salviati Jan 2014 #26
But only Nixon could go to China. bobclark86 Jan 2014 #17
I picked Nixon as one of the bottom three... Sancho Jan 2014 #34
Nixon went to China and it destryed this country. He should have stayed home. TeamPooka Jan 2014 #43
If not China, it would have been India... bobclark86 Jan 2014 #49
Best Democrats: FDR, Truman, and Ike. Lasher Jan 2014 #18
Okay. LWolf Jan 2014 #19
Best: TR, FDR, LBJ; worst: George W Bush, Nixon, Hoover. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2014 #20
FDR, no competition. Then Wilson, Teddy Roosevelt, Truman, Johnson, Obama, Carter, Clinton. nt bluestate10 Jan 2014 #21
I'm not sure I agree with your assignment of Carter Savannahmann Jan 2014 #22
What about his cozying up to the Shah? oberliner Jan 2014 #23
Again, you have to start with the time, and the intentions. Savannahmann Jan 2014 #40
Carter actually started the de-regulation insanity, with the airlines. truebluegreen Jan 2014 #29
De-regulation of the airlines Savannahmann Jan 2014 #38
If that was the idea, what was wrong with using the anti-trust laws? truebluegreen Jan 2014 #39
I vote for Big Bill oberliner Jan 2014 #24
TR, FDR, Obama NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #25
Best: FDR by a mile, Teddy, Eisenhower; truebluegreen Jan 2014 #27
TR, FDR, LBJ JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2014 #28
Obama SharpshooterTom Jan 2014 #30
FDR, LBJ, Carter Sancho Jan 2014 #31
Worst: Nixon, Bush, Bush Sancho Jan 2014 #32
Clinton, Carter, FDR. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #35
Hmm... sarisataka Jan 2014 #36
FDR, Truman, Carter (might say Obama eventually, but would not pick a president before their term is LeftishBrit Jan 2014 #37
Favorites: FDR, TDR, LBJ Worst: Raygun, Coolidge, shrub TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #41
FDR hands down. He truly changed the country. TeamPooka Jan 2014 #42
WOOdrow Wilson, hands down. nt DRoseDARs Jan 2014 #44
lol, if it has woo in it, it must be good Vattel Jan 2014 #47
I normally disqualify someone until he's out of office for at least 20 years, but Retrograde Jan 2014 #45
Best: JFK (best), Carter, and Clinton. Worst dems: Truman (worst), LBJ and Wilson Vattel Jan 2014 #46
I don't get the love for Teddy NobodyHere Jan 2014 #48

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
33. Taft has the dubious distinction of being the only major party candidate
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 07:07 PM
Jan 2014

since 1900 to get fewer votes in a presidential election than a 3rd party candidate.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
3. Mine...
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 06:20 AM
Jan 2014

Best three: Theodore Roosevelt, FDR, Kennedy.

Bottom three: Ronald Reagan, Herbert Hoover, Shrub Bush.

Least favorite Democrats: Wilson and LBJ

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
10. Hoover I kinda sorta feel bad for...
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 02:56 PM
Jan 2014

He definitely didn't respond to the Great Depression well - but the Great Depression was not his fault. It was Coolidge's, who, believe it or not, was kind of a hero to Ronald Reagan. Coolidge let the economy run unchecked during the Roaring 20s and it all culminated in the epic crash months into Hoover's presidency.

TBF

(32,062 posts)
15. Yes, thank you -
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 03:30 PM
Jan 2014


FDR for social policy, Eisenhower only because he tried to warn us about the industrial military complex

Wilson the worst democrat because of AG Palmer and stance against Communism; Reagan for fiscal policies that are killing us

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
17. But only Nixon could go to China.
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 03:39 PM
Jan 2014

... and start the EPA... and the Department of Natural Resources.
... and pass the Clean Air Act...
... and sign Title IX for women in scholastic athletics...
... and pushed desegregation in schools...
... and had more women appointees than Johnson...
... and ended the draft...
... and implement the first affirmative action program...
... and formed OSHA...

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
34. I picked Nixon as one of the bottom three...
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 07:13 PM
Jan 2014

not because of what he did (or didn't) do, but because he was a lying SOB. I met Nixon once (at Mark Clark's retirement from the Citadel) and watched in amazement as Watergate unfolded. He was certainly a skilled politician, but he was immoral and a criminal.

I also would include both Bushes (and Jeb) as scofflaws who should have never been anywhere close to the White House.

TeamPooka

(24,227 posts)
43. Nixon went to China and it destryed this country. He should have stayed home.
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 11:37 PM
Jan 2014

Nixon opened up China to US companies and the cheap labor the government offers there.
poof
30 years later that's where all America's manufacturing jobs were.

Lasher

(27,597 posts)
18. Best Democrats: FDR, Truman, and Ike.
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 03:45 PM
Jan 2014

Worst Democrats: Carter, Clinton, Obama.

Worst Republicans: Harding, Saint Ronnie, and GWB.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
19. Okay.
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 04:18 PM
Jan 2014

Top 3: FDR, JFK...I'm scraping here...I guess Carter. He may not have been effective, but at least he was a decent human being, and his post-presidential legacy will be large.

Bottom 3: Reagan, GWB, Hoover

Bottom 3 Democrats: Obama, Clinton, Truman

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
22. I'm not sure I agree with your assignment of Carter
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 04:38 PM
Jan 2014

President Carter was a man of incredible personal courage and integrity. During the energy crisis, he not only suggested turning the thermostat down, but wore sweaters because he had turned the thermostat down. He got rid of the gold plated perks of the Air Force One set.

His failures? Economic crisis, not much he could have done. Desert One rescue mission. That was a debacle when it was planned. Even I know that you don't send disparate units from different services that have never even seen one another before to meet up in enemy held territory. But this was the plan given him by the Pentagon with all the assurances that the units could do exactly what was promised. If we are to blame President Carter for that, for accepting the plan drawn up by the Pentagon, the ones responsible for plans, and chastise him for not being a military planning genius what does that mean for us?

I personally think that President Carter did everything humanly possible given the time, the circumstances, and the challenges he faced. I will always admire his astonishing courage in going to Three Mile Island when everyone with a lick of sense was running as far away as possible. No other President would have done so. No other leader did so. Only President Carter had the requisite knowledge of the dangers and the risk, and only President Carter could take a first hand look and understand exactly what the Engineers were saying.

I can't think of any policies of his that I disagreed with, but admittedly my knowledge is hardly complete. But as a man, in his job, at that time, I can not imagine that I would have done half as well given the challenges. I doubt that anyone on your list of greats would have done as well given the problems that President Carter faced.

So as for me, I absolutely approve and respect the former President, because I would have had to change my underwear before I got halfway down the driveway to Three Mile Island.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
40. Again, you have to start with the time, and the intentions.
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 09:06 PM
Jan 2014

The times were difficult, the intention was to reform the policies of the Shah. That is more easily done as a friend than as an enemy, or as some sort of rabid screaming lunatic. Take a homeless person. A moron who shouts at the homeless to get a fucking job is ignored by the homeless, or similarly attacked. But someone who comes forward in compassion and respect is often received the same way.

President Carter hoped and to some extent started to succeed in the effort to reign in the Iranian Secret Police. When things went bad, Carter asked the Embassy in Paris to meet with the Ayatollah Khomanie. (I suspect that I am mis-spelling a number of words. I am mobile at the moment, and have limited resources for such long responses) the Embassy personnel reported that this was a great guy. Carter went with the opinions of his subordinates, again what other choice did he have.

President Carter had the best of intentions and desires, and some very bad luck, and bad advice. But his defining personality traits remain. Absolute integrity, and courage. I wish he had some better luck, but I give him credit for trying to make the world a better place.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
29. Carter actually started the de-regulation insanity, with the airlines.
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 06:07 PM
Jan 2014

And started arming the mujahideen in Afghanistan.

Two paths we really shouldn't have chosen.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
38. De-regulation of the airlines
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 08:31 PM
Jan 2014

Was intended to eliminate monopolies. Before that, even short flights were insanely expensive. International was the pursue of Pan-Am and if you wanted to fly overseas,mthey were nearly your only choice. There have been some problems, value jet for example. But it was intended to and largely has made air travel available to the masses taking it from the upper classes where it was kept by price and monopoly policies.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
39. If that was the idea, what was wrong with using the anti-trust laws?
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 08:42 PM
Jan 2014

And as for making air travel available to the masses, I submit that it worked only if the masses live in large markets. For the smaller ones, prices went up and services were cut.

Sometimes new ideas are not better.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
27. Best: FDR by a mile, Teddy, Eisenhower;
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 06:01 PM
Jan 2014

Worst: Reagan, Dimson Bush, Clinton.

Obama isn't done yet so I can't rate him.

LeftishBrit

(41,205 posts)
37. FDR, Truman, Carter (might say Obama eventually, but would not pick a president before their term is
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 07:32 PM
Jan 2014

over)

Least favourite presidents: Coolidge, Hoover, Reagan, Bush Jr. (that's already 4, and I haven't mentioned Harding, Nixon or Bush Sr).

LBJ is in a special category as one of the best presidents ever for domestic policy, and one of the worst ever for foreign policy.

In the UK: favourites: Attlee as my all-time fave; Churchill for his great role in defeating the Nazis (though he was a pretty useless peacetime PM); Lloyd George for his great early reforms, though he was almost as bad a betrayer as Clegg by the end; perhaps one of the earliest 20th century PMs, Campbell-Bannerman; within my lifetime the only PM I'd consider as definitely good was Harold Wilson.

Least favourites: guess who comes out at the bottom, yes, the one-and-only THATCHER; most people between the wars - esp. Baldwin and Chamberlain; of Labourites, Blair. I put Thatcher below the bad PMs of the 1920s and 30s, not because her policies were objectively worse, but because they maintained what was already a bad status quo, and she actively made out country worse from a much better starting point.

Retrograde

(10,137 posts)
45. I normally disqualify someone until he's out of office for at least 20 years, but
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 11:49 PM
Jan 2014

I'll make an exception for one of them

best: Roosevelt, Roosevelt, Truman

worst: GWBush, Harding, Reagan

Ford was just a place-holder. I can (finally) acknowledge Nixon's accomplishments even though the thought of the man still makes my flesh crawl. Hoover was a great humanitarian when he was in charge of relief efforts for Europe, but he couldn't get a handle on the Great Depression. Johnson was good on domestic issues, poor on foreign ones. I don't know enough about Wilson (but I'm currently reading the new bio). I think Kennedy's death has colored how we look at his administration.

And McKinley's so 19th century (ducks).

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
46. Best: JFK (best), Carter, and Clinton. Worst dems: Truman (worst), LBJ and Wilson
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 11:54 PM
Jan 2014

All of the worst democratic presidents did some great stuff.

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
48. I don't get the love for Teddy
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 12:26 AM
Jan 2014

His role in the Philippine war should rank him near the bottom of the list IMO. He didn't even have the decency to claim that the Philippines were a threat to us.

He's just as immoral (if not more so) than George W. Bush.

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