Boooooooo science!

Get a clue the scientific way, and actually read the OP: Scientific Materialism is dead.

That's hilarious. It's just a mess of name-calling. "Get a clue the scientific way". You are proud of not recognising 'the scientific way'. You haven't a clue about it. That's how you got obsessed with chemtrails, and got banned.

Or was that the point?

Just askin

Jokerman.

There are no "souls." No dancing fairies, no sages, no higher planes of consciousness to which we can ascend. There are no gods, no goddesses, no angels or devils or devas or DMT elves.

There is here, there is now, there is the ground below and the stars above and that's enough, really.

Claque claque.

then how do you explain crop circles?

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Star System 151 will conquer in the name of the All-Powerful Murcielago!

I must tell them to leave my garden because they don't exist.

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What is your scholarly opinion of the ancient Chinese notion of qi (chi)?

and random can be beautiful...



Tikki

definition of magic is.

of the box and then experiment with their theories, we would still think the earth was the center of the universe and all matter was made of four humors.

don't love the method, just the consensus. They're not interested in discovery, they just want handy "facts" to shut you up. Lazy, closed minded egotists.

Nothing at all like the actual science folks I know in real life. They exhibit WAY more intellectual curiosity and openness to possibility until something is empirically proven otherwise. Not to mention the fact that they know that today's 'science' might be tomorrow's quaint silliness.

I've never met someone with a truly scientific mind who treats "Science" as a "Belief".

Being a skilled craftsman and getting something - usually money - in return for your labor is not the same as investing someone else's money to enrich yourself even more.

Materialism is a philosophy in which everything has a material value, or cost, and the point is to gather as much value for oneself as possible.

Science is the process of discovery in which a specified effect is proven to be the result of certain other known states because it can be replicated with those known states. It is not a philosophy. Just as Art is not a philosophy; Art is the means of creating unique effects without the need to provide proof or to replicate exactly.

Sorry to disagree slightly with you there.

I believe in Science (because I depend on it for my survival), however, I also believe that going about putting a cost on everything ensures that nothing ever has value other than that cost. Which is a sad, sad way to live.

Haele

Materialism, in this context, does not mean what you say. Perhaps this misunderstanding is why so many people are declaring their opposition to scientific materialism recently.

The OP is talking about the philosophical position that the world consists only of natural elements, no ghosts, spirits, gods, or other supernatural elements. Most theists, like Christians, inherently disagree with the most extreme form of this notion but they still might (and usually do on this side of the aisle) agree with a more moderate conception of this idea, where they act as if they live in a scientific materialist world and make special exceptions for their spiritual beliefs as needed, like belief in an afterlife.

The most contentious of the issues between scientific materialism and opposing views is the characteristic of the mind. Simply, scientific materialism says the mind is a function of the physical body. Opposing views say there's a soul, or similar, that exists apart from the physical body that is required for a mind to exist.

They're such buzz kills.

but it was these two, unfortunately. No offspring could be had.

What has science ever given us?

Just curious.

I won't fall for your tricks!!

Think it might be this claque you speak of?

He couldn't figure out where to put the aquarium.

Science disagrees with me, but I'm right. Don't tell me I'm wrong, because that would make you another anti-woo extremist!

They hate frosting.

Thanks, Obama!

I was disappointed to find I was mistaken.

Who needs rational explanations for things when one can say a magic sky fairy created everything and fairies make rings in people's yards!

On the other hand, in my soul dead humorless world it's hard to tell whether or not the OP was satire.

I must be too rigid in thought to get this.

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mostly i just wanted to post a pic of Peter Venkman .

sincerely,
future Dr. Bench scientist

For ass holes...grow up, material is real, so is science and your delusional attempt to paint it as "communist" is just boring. You have no soul, you have a self, a personality and some stupid ideas based on bullshit concepts created by lame minds from eons past.

It's like being stuck in a high school chemistry class in the 50's. Dull, uninformed, unimaginative.

which they could cure with shock treatments or a lobotomy. Great moments in the annals of reason!

with the scientific method.

some of the most philosophical people you will meet are cosmologist, and other scientists. The problem is not the scientists, but folks who treat science as another form of religion, never ever changing, and set in stone. Which is a cardinal sin (sorry for that one, I know it sounds funny) of science.

If there is something that is a given is that science is about solving riddles and mysteries and being in awe at what nature can give you.

This, to me at least, puts all in quite a bit of perspective.

Not that image!

Get it right at least.

Science is not a philosophy. It's a set of methods which seem to work pretty damned well. It not only wiped out diseases like Smallpox and provided the framework to do that (germ theory of disease -- thank you Pasteur), but it landed humans on the moon and a science laboratory on the surface of Mars. It found out that all life on Earth is related and subsequently discovered the mechanisms by which that occurred. Science makes predictions of future discoveries, often decades ahead of them, and with astounding precision.

Like everything humans do, science is not perfect, but that idea is also part of science. So it has built in self-correcting mechanisms. Yes, those too can be rickety and slow, but as Bill Nye said, "We get 'er done!"

Above all, science is a way of knowing things which is answerable, not to any personal authority or opinion, but to nature herself. And as anybody working at the cutting edge of science could tell you, Mother Nature can be a real bitch.

Those who would malign science, or characterize it by some made up shit, don't really understand what it is, and what it is not.

That used to actually mean something.

Sid

That's what they believed. They had no evidence, they did not look for any for about 150 years of prisons, madhouses, shock treatments and lobotomies for the 'community' to take a look at it's own behavior. That entire time they were unable to see the natural reality in front of them because they had a set of assumptions running and running hard. Hard to differentiate such actions from those of religious folks, who assume things not in evidence, for generations no matter what the cost to others. Very stupid, very brittle and dogmatic. Lobotomies, to cure the disease. Until 1973.
Not quite witch burnings, but the next best thing, and it was 'medicine' that did it, not religion, until I was nearing voting age. They were gunna cure us with science fact!
Like a bunch of Baptists, only less humble and not as empathetic. 'They are diseased!'. I grew up reading this crap. I'll never forget it, nor will I forget what the 'science and medical community' has so recently been capable of.
Lobotomies, to cure the gay. Until 1973. Science!!!!!!!!

That's how science works.

You do understand that, don't you?

Sid

What 'evidence' did they use? Answer, none, they elevated assumption to the state of fact, gnawed that bone hard for generations and when people were walking on the moon, these folks still held that gay people had a disease.
What qualified these beliefs as 'science'? The degrees of the nuts who promoted them? Sorry, but I grew up hearing 'medicine' and 'religion' spout the same obviously false bullshit about gay people. The 'science' was just religion in a lab coat. Mumbo jumbo. Fakery. Magical thinking posing as actual established fact.
So 'science' stopped teaching that gays are diseased about the same time Mormons stopped teaching that black people carry the curse of Ham, early 1970s. Both teachings were based on nonsense, dogma, bigotry and no evidence at all.
I guess that's how religion works too, when a belief becomes untenable in the face of fact and reason, jettison it and take up the current modes.
A group of professions that thought gay was a disease in 1973 has no standing to whine about other people holding silly false beliefs. Those professions harmed others by taking their crappy beliefs into practice in the name of science. Their concern should be that they never commit such atrocities out of ego and assumption again.

If there is no evidence for something then its not the least bit scientific.

getting in the way of the scientific method. A pre-determined belief pushed by religion and irrational thought certainly isn't the fault of "science" and has monstly persisted through the rejection and manipulation of scientific study by religious organizations.

Look up at the night sky, look at a snowflake through a microscope, listen to a nightingale, smell a rose ... and think how lucky it is you are alive at those moments to experience those things.

Would you prefer it if everything had been arranged for you by some all powerful entity for a purpose that will never be explained to your living mind?

requires a an incredibly flexible mind to comprehend. It's more often belief in religion and magic that traps people in a narrow minded bubble of ignorance. Fantasy often applies very simple rules to our world that simply don't exist in reality. I know how that is comforting as a former evangelical, but it's probably better for you to educate yourself with an open mind rather than lash out with hatred and anger when reality begins intruding on the fantasy world you have created for yourself.

Your party has been over for a while.

Oh, and genetics is in fact real science.

I'm disappointed that no one has used the "scientistic" buzzword.