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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 09:46 AM Jan 2014

Japan Wants To Build A 'Super' Train Running From Baltimore To Washington DC In 15 Minutes

http://www.businessinsider.com/japan-wants-to-build-a-super-train-running-from-baltimore-to-washington-dc-in-15-minutes-2014-1


Japan's Magnetic Levitation, or linear motor car MLX01-901A, carrying U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, runs on a rest course of Yamanashi Experiment Center in Tsuru, Japan on Tuesday, May 11, 2010.

The Japanese government has promised to lend the United States half of the cost of building the first "Super-Maglev" train, reducing travel time between Baltimore and Washington DC to just 15 minutes.
Tokyo is so keen to show off its technology that it will provide loans for half the estimated $8 billion (£5bn) cost of installing the tracks, Japan's Asahi newspaper said on Tuesday.

Masahiro Nakayama, a general manager at Central Japan Railway Co, told The Daily Telegraph that the American federal government was keen, and that the state authorities were especially enthusiastic about the project.

"The national government has shown interest," he said. "But a number of the states in the north-east corridor – such as Maryland – are particularly keen for faster rail links and more advanced technology."



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Japan Wants To Build A 'Super' Train Running From Baltimore To Washington DC In 15 Minutes (Original Post) xchrom Jan 2014 OP
Long gone are the days when "made in Japan" was a punchline. JEFF9K Jan 2014 #1
Wow! kentauros Jan 2014 #2
Wrap it out, stick it together, place it on the ground, plug it in. Ready to go. DetlefK Jan 2014 #5
There ya go! kentauros Jan 2014 #9
I don't think anybody can build a train in 15 minutes. nt Xipe Totec Jan 2014 #3
We need to have these or something comparable to them all over the country. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #4
I've flown from DCA to BWI in 8 minutes! dickthegrouch Jan 2014 #23
While I'm a huge proponent of mass transit and high-speed mass-tranist. Chan790 Jan 2014 #6
Totally disagree. spooky3 Jan 2014 #8
Of course, you must certainly realize that once Baltimore was within commuting Nay Jan 2014 #18
You don't know that. They would likely increase, but by how much spooky3 Jan 2014 #27
Agreed! brush Jan 2014 #16
That, too. They're not far enough apart. nt Nay Jan 2014 #19
They would be saving much > 15 minutes if the train could get them there in 15 min spooky3 Jan 2014 #28
possibly they are hoping that the success of funding a smaller route el_bryanto Jan 2014 #22
current time between washington dc and balitmore madrchsod Jan 2014 #7
It's the long distances that will make the difference. Example: DetlefK Jan 2014 #13
Holy Henry B. Flagler! Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #20
Well, since we Americans keep shooting down ... LisaLynne Jan 2014 #10
For people who want to get out of Baltimore like a bat out of Hell KurtNYC Jan 2014 #11
A good first step. Proud Public Servant Jan 2014 #12
Is it the cost of tracks that prevents development, or of buying the land for the straight routes muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #14
I think it will take them longer than 15 minutes to build. MineralMan Jan 2014 #15
I think it's funny that Japan thinks they'll make headway in getting this done justiceischeap Jan 2014 #17
Serving the rich & developers is a stumbling block for mass transit Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #21
Looks like the nose/hood is being sucked into a black hole Blue Owl Jan 2014 #24
Holy cow, they can build it in fifteen minutes? Marr Jan 2014 #25
The bad news... Atman Jan 2014 #26
The other potential benefit is BWI airport access spooky3 Jan 2014 #29
$8 Billion for a 40 mile run?! Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #30
Interesting idea Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #31

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
2. Wow!
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 09:50 AM
Jan 2014

I didn't know the Japanese industrial expertise had gotten to the level that they could build the full route in just fifteen minutes!

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
9. There ya go!
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 10:07 AM
Jan 2014

Next they need to build a giant 300m Christmas Tree to mark the midpoint and eventually loop around

LuvNewcastle

(16,855 posts)
4. We need to have these or something comparable to them all over the country.
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 09:58 AM
Jan 2014

People are fed up with flying. I haven't flown since 9/11, partially because I don't want all the hassle that's involved with flying. If they could put these trains as connectors all over the country and make the tickets reasonably priced, it would be a godsend to us all.

dickthegrouch

(3,183 posts)
23. I've flown from DCA to BWI in 8 minutes!
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 01:01 PM
Jan 2014

I got on a flight after a particularly grueling day and I hadn't paid attention to the routing. Imagine my surprise thinking it was a non-stop DCA - DEN and hearing "Flight time will be 8 minutes"

A more useless waste of time and JP5 and other resources I cannot imagine. Especially since the scheduled 30 minute layover in BWI turned into three hours, ensuring that I missed the DEN - SJC connection.

I'd much rather have that bullet train traverse the entire country.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
6. While I'm a huge proponent of mass transit and high-speed mass-tranist.
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 09:59 AM
Jan 2014

This is a stupid worthless proposal. It's not like this would be a useful route, nor one not already served by not one or two but an astounding 8 mass-transit options. It's also a route with not enough demand to service the current multiple overlap options.

Philly to Baltimore would be more useful. The current transit lag-line on the urban East Coast is the gap from Aberdeen, MD to Newark, DE. There is no current transit connection except Megabus, Greyhound and Amtrak and no local-transit connection at-all. Bridge that gap (all ~20 miles of it) and it's entirely possible to take commuter mass transit all the way from Bangor, ME to Virginia Beach, VA.

spooky3

(34,468 posts)
8. Totally disagree.
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 10:04 AM
Jan 2014

There are many people who would enjoy the lower living costs of Baltimore (or options for a dual career couple working in different locations) and a 15 minute commute. I am not one of them as I like living in NoVA so I have no dog in the hunt.

The issue is time. None of the current options would get you from Charm City to DC in less than an hour under typical commuting conditions.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
18. Of course, you must certainly realize that once Baltimore was within commuting
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 11:49 AM
Jan 2014

distance, all prices would double. Esp house prices.

spooky3

(34,468 posts)
27. You don't know that. They would likely increase, but by how much
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 01:26 PM
Jan 2014

is unclear. It could also produce a corresponding decrease in prices for alternative locations where people are now living.

brush

(53,840 posts)
16. Agreed!
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 11:19 AM
Jan 2014

Why not propose a high-speed line between Boston, NYC and DC . . . you know, something that's really needed?

Washington and Baltimore are just 30 minutes apart with a myriad of transportation options already serving the distance and they propose saving 15 minutes?

Give us something worthwhile in savings. How about NYC to LA or Chicago to Dallas if you want to talk about saving real hours not 15 minutes.

spooky3

(34,468 posts)
28. They would be saving much > 15 minutes if the train could get them there in 15 min
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 01:27 PM
Jan 2014

the current commuting time is > 1 hr during rush hours.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
22. possibly they are hoping that the success of funding a smaller route
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 12:08 PM
Jan 2014

will allow them to charge higher prices for more lucrative routes later on - like the Tallahassee-Circle Pines express.

Bryant

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
13. It's the long distances that will make the difference. Example:
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 10:34 AM
Jan 2014
https://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF-8&gl=&daddr=Washington,+DC&saddr=Baltimore,+MD&panel=1&f=d&fb=1&geocode=KbeD9NauA8iJMVjnI0KolkgE%3BKVvk9lrexreJMSpdiNQiRVLC&ei=lAzMUu6fOOqEyAPTmYC4AQ&ved=0CC4Q-A8wAA

Boston, Massachusetts, to Richmond, Virginia
600 Miles -> 9 hours by car

Munich to Hamburg
800 km (so, about same distance)
-> 6 hours by train (without changing trains!) and that's with an Inter City Express high-velocity-train, the japanese maglev would be even faster and cut that down to 4 hours!


Imagine boarding an overnight-express in Boston on Friday evening, going to sleep, and arriving in Florida on Saturday morning.

LisaLynne

(14,554 posts)
10. Well, since we Americans keep shooting down ...
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 10:09 AM
Jan 2014

bullet train proposals and have a certain hostility towards mass transit, I think this might be a good idea. Show us what's possible!

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
11. For people who want to get out of Baltimore like a bat out of Hell
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 10:20 AM
Jan 2014

...and then they wind up in D.C. (!?)

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
12. A good first step.
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 10:24 AM
Jan 2014

Build it, and Philly will want in. Build THAT, and linking NYC is a natural; then NYC-DC will be a two hour trip or less. And so on up to Boston. Thus will the Japanese build for us the rail line we shoudl have built for ourselves, replacing the joke that is Acela.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,358 posts)
14. Is it the cost of tracks that prevents development, or of buying the land for the straight routes
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 10:40 AM
Jan 2014

that any high speed line requires? It tends to be the land problems (and the inevitable court decisions that accompany them) that slow things down in the UK. Getting high speed lines in the middle of cities isn't always easy, and it's not a question of technology.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
17. I think it's funny that Japan thinks they'll make headway in getting this done
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 11:33 AM
Jan 2014

How long has WMATA been talking about replacing the subways in DC? They will finally roll out 4 cars (on the new silver line that services that richest of the metro riders) later this year. These cars won't even increase the time it takes to get anywhere, they'll just be cleaner and presumably safer.

Personally, I would love high-speed rail in the US but only if the prices are on par with flying.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
25. Holy cow, they can build it in fifteen minutes?
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 01:13 PM
Jan 2014

Or maybe they want to start building it fifteen minutes from now...

Or maybe the train takes fifteen minutes to complete the route...

English is such a messy language, lol.

spooky3

(34,468 posts)
29. The other potential benefit is BWI airport access
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 07:18 PM
Jan 2014

Depending on where the locate the stations, a lot of people in the DC area would use this to take advantage of flight options from BWI, many of which now are cheaper than those out of National and Dulles.

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
30. $8 Billion for a 40 mile run?!
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 07:30 PM
Jan 2014

$200 Million per MILE seems kind of excessive.

In any case, why should the people of New York or California pay even a dollar to fund a train in Baltimore?

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
31. Interesting idea
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 10:32 PM
Jan 2014

although there are certainly better routes it could serve...

And it's a shame that no domestic company has stepped to the plate with a lower pricetag...

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