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callous taoboy

(4,585 posts)
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 03:26 PM Jan 2014

Fine, let's allow defendants to use woo defense and be proven innocent.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this would never fly:

"Your Honor, we find the defendant not guilty of murdering his wife on the grounds that we believe he clearly could have entered, as he claims, a closet in his home which he says allows him to time-travel to a coffee shop in Poughkeepsie where he says he was drinking coffee and listening to game 4 of the 1962 world series live on the radio 5 hours prior to his wife's murder back home in Moab, Utah. The defendant was able to describe perfectly the important plays of the game which allowed the Giants to take the Yankees 7 to 3."

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Fine, let's allow defendants to use woo defense and be proven innocent. (Original Post) callous taoboy Jan 2014 OP
FYI, nobody is proven innocent. truebluegreen Jan 2014 #1
It's "found innocent," isn't it? callous taoboy Jan 2014 #13
Nope. Ms. Toad Jan 2014 #17
I'm no legal beagle- I stand corrected. callous taoboy Jan 2014 #21
Sure. n/t Ms. Toad Jan 2014 #22
OFFS. Skidmore Jan 2014 #2
Excellent call. n/t Ms. Toad Jan 2014 #19
You misunderstand the meaning of woo Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #3
I do not misunderstand the meaning of woo. callous taoboy Jan 2014 #5
Here's another broadside then Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #6
does anybody? lame54 Jan 2014 #7
You don't understand woo the way I understand woo. callous taoboy Jan 2014 #8
Actually... Dr. Strange Jan 2014 #11
Hah! Hey Dr.... callous taoboy Jan 2014 #12
You blew my mind Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #25
Trash...gender wars or woo Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #4
So, it was a time-portal and teleporter all in one. TheBlackAdder Jan 2014 #9
You'd make a great woo cross-examiner! callous taoboy Jan 2014 #10
Woo is allowed as a defense. "Gay Panic Defense" & "Trans Panic Defense". Zorra Jan 2014 #14
Kind of like the "Twinkie defense." callous taoboy Jan 2014 #15
Mommy, somebody on the internet believes something I think is stupid! TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #16
No, I don't mean to insult. callous taoboy Jan 2014 #18
No worries, any offense is not of a personal nature and none particularly towards you TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #23
Admittedly, I came into the DU woo debate late. callous taoboy Jan 2014 #24
"If the glove doesn't FIT, you must ACQUIT!!" madinmaryland Jan 2014 #20
I came to this thread to post the same thing PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #27
Stupid. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #26

Ms. Toad

(34,086 posts)
17. Nope.
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 08:07 PM
Jan 2014

Found not guilty.

The only time a declaration of innocence is made is after you have been convicted, served time, had the conviction overturned, and then go through a separate civil trial seeking a declaration of innocence for the purpose of having the state pay you for wrongfully convicting and incarcerating you.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
2. OFFS.
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 03:45 PM
Jan 2014

Welcome to the trashcan with this one. I only trash threads after they get into the several hundred reply range of obnoxiousness. This one is a first for me.

callous taoboy

(4,585 posts)
5. I do not misunderstand the meaning of woo.
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 04:36 PM
Jan 2014

In fact, this scenario was lifted (or paraphrased, at least) from the book, "Defending Evolution." Defending evolution against woo arguments.

Nice broadside, though.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
6. Here's another broadside then
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 04:50 PM
Jan 2014

You still don't understand the meaning of woo despite your declaring that you do.

Dr. Strange

(25,922 posts)
11. Actually...
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 06:30 PM
Jan 2014
You still don't understand the meaning of woo despite your declaring that you do.


Isn't that almost the definition of woo?

callous taoboy

(4,585 posts)
12. Hah! Hey Dr....
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 07:30 PM
Jan 2014

I never did get in on that lounge thing you did a short while ago with DU member names. It was a very un-woo thing you undertook: Lay into mine, if you care.

TheBlackAdder

(28,211 posts)
9. So, it was a time-portal and teleporter all in one.
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 05:29 PM
Jan 2014

A time machine would either place him in the same room, earlier or later...
dependent on whether the rotation of the earth was a factor.

If rotational was a factor, he's be in the Atlantic Ocean.

===

Not only that, but his latitude changed to be a couple hundred miles north.

The question is, why didn't he transport into a mountain or the wall of the coffee shop or some other object.

Just safely in a coffee shop at floor level.

callous taoboy

(4,585 posts)
15. Kind of like the "Twinkie defense."
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 07:48 PM
Jan 2014

But this is the point of my post right here in the link you provided, and thanks for providing it!

This defense often fails, and has been ruled inadmissible in many jurisdictions because of a complete lack of scientific research to support it.

callous taoboy

(4,585 posts)
18. No, I don't mean to insult.
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 08:10 PM
Jan 2014

And I am sorry if I offended you, friend. The bone I pick has to do with the melding of science and woo. And I might be particularly prickly about this since I live in Texas where we science teachers are continually battling our state BOE to keep creationism out of science classrooms.

Again, sorry if I offended.

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
23. No worries, any offense is not of a personal nature and none particularly towards you
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 01:28 AM
Jan 2014

is intended. I do find the underlying tactic at play distasteful in context of what is being addressed and this thing has become a totem to beat like a bad rap and a bullying campaign.

callous taoboy

(4,585 posts)
24. Admittedly, I came into the DU woo debate late.
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 07:03 AM
Jan 2014

So, I'm not sure when or how it got rolling. Some people on this board have a hair-trigger asshole mechanism, which I was subjected to up-thread. That kind of crap rolls right off of me any more, especially since I have colleagues that I have to suffer who are still stuck in a middle school mentality. So I know what you mean, and can even say that perhaps in this debate the bullying cuts both ways. I wasn't trying to bully, but to point out that society would not put up with a justice system where woo defense could get someone exonnerated.

It's a slippery slope, as Carl Sagan pointed out in one of his last interviews. He was greatly concerned about the rise of magical thinking, and that once it entered the realm of science, "Everything is up for grabs," as he points out.

Have a good day.

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