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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFine, let's allow defendants to use woo defense and be proven innocent.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this would never fly:
"Your Honor, we find the defendant not guilty of murdering his wife on the grounds that we believe he clearly could have entered, as he claims, a closet in his home which he says allows him to time-travel to a coffee shop in Poughkeepsie where he says he was drinking coffee and listening to game 4 of the 1962 world series live on the radio 5 hours prior to his wife's murder back home in Moab, Utah. The defendant was able to describe perfectly the important plays of the game which allowed the Giants to take the Yankees 7 to 3."
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)callous taoboy
(4,585 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,086 posts)Found not guilty.
The only time a declaration of innocence is made is after you have been convicted, served time, had the conviction overturned, and then go through a separate civil trial seeking a declaration of innocence for the purpose of having the state pay you for wrongfully convicting and incarcerating you.
callous taoboy
(4,585 posts)It's "legal beagle," right?
Ms. Toad
(34,086 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Welcome to the trashcan with this one. I only trash threads after they get into the several hundred reply range of obnoxiousness. This one is a first for me.
Ms. Toad
(34,086 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)callous taoboy
(4,585 posts)In fact, this scenario was lifted (or paraphrased, at least) from the book, "Defending Evolution." Defending evolution against woo arguments.
Nice broadside, though.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)You still don't understand the meaning of woo despite your declaring that you do.
lame54
(35,317 posts)callous taoboy
(4,585 posts)Fair enough?
Dr. Strange
(25,922 posts)Isn't that almost the definition of woo?
callous taoboy
(4,585 posts)I never did get in on that lounge thing you did a short while ago with DU member names. It was a very un-woo thing you undertook: Lay into mine, if you care.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)A time machine would either place him in the same room, earlier or later...
dependent on whether the rotation of the earth was a factor.
If rotational was a factor, he's be in the Atlantic Ocean.
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Not only that, but his latitude changed to be a couple hundred miles north.
The question is, why didn't he transport into a mountain or the wall of the coffee shop or some other object.
Just safely in a coffee shop at floor level.
callous taoboy
(4,585 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)But this particular brand of woo doesn't work well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_panic_defense
callous taoboy
(4,585 posts)But this is the point of my post right here in the link you provided, and thanks for providing it!
This defense often fails, and has been ruled inadmissible in many jurisdictions because of a complete lack of scientific research to support it.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)callous taoboy
(4,585 posts)And I am sorry if I offended you, friend. The bone I pick has to do with the melding of science and woo. And I might be particularly prickly about this since I live in Texas where we science teachers are continually battling our state BOE to keep creationism out of science classrooms.
Again, sorry if I offended.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)is intended. I do find the underlying tactic at play distasteful in context of what is being addressed and this thing has become a totem to beat like a bad rap and a bullying campaign.
callous taoboy
(4,585 posts)So, I'm not sure when or how it got rolling. Some people on this board have a hair-trigger asshole mechanism, which I was subjected to up-thread. That kind of crap rolls right off of me any more, especially since I have colleagues that I have to suffer who are still stuck in a middle school mentality. So I know what you mean, and can even say that perhaps in this debate the bullying cuts both ways. I wasn't trying to bully, but to point out that society would not put up with a justice system where woo defense could get someone exonnerated.
It's a slippery slope, as Carl Sagan pointed out in one of his last interviews. He was greatly concerned about the rise of magical thinking, and that once it entered the realm of science, "Everything is up for grabs," as he points out.
Have a good day.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)the oj cancer thread is still fresh on my mind...
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)Ridiculous attempt at analogy.