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Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 12:56 PM Mar 2012

Navy Chief: U.S. to Bring 'Sawed-Off Shotgun' to Persian Gulf

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Adm. Jonathan Greenert, the chief of naval operations, told reporters on Friday that he plans to double the number of mine-sweeping vessels in the Gulf from four to eight, add four additional mine-hunting helicopters, and deploy next-generation underwater mine-neutralizing drones.

Greenert said all U.S. ships that pass through the Strait of Hormuz, one of the world’s most important oil-shipping routes, would also be given new infrared surveillance equipment and short-range guns and missiles for potential use against smaller Iranian vessels.

The admiral, a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that existing U.S. armaments--which were designed for long-distance fights against other powerful vessels--wouldn’t necessarily work in the narrow waterway. Pentagon strategists have long worried that Iran would try to swarm U.S. vessels with small, fast-moving attack boats as a way of countering the stronger and larger American warships.

“It’s like having this high-powered great rifle, but you’re in a small area,” Greenert said.  “Maybe what you need is a sawed-off shotgun.”
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http://www.nationaljournal.com/nationalsecurity/navy-chief-u-s-to-bring-sawed-off-shotgun-to-persian-gulf-20120316

Yeah, this is the way to calm things down. Put MORE people and assets in this sensitive area.
I understand the need for different types of forces if they are there, but this can't help the tension.

I'll bet we have spent more money per person in that region than we are spending for some people in the US.





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Navy Chief: U.S. to Bring 'Sawed-Off Shotgun' to Persian Gulf (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries Mar 2012 OP
Du rec. Nt xchrom Mar 2012 #1
Minesweepers are handy to have in that sort of waterway. nt MADem Mar 2012 #2
but this isn't to be construed as 'saber rattling', people KG Mar 2012 #3
"If they want peace, nations should avoid the pin-pricks that precede cannon shots." Napoleon Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #4
Poke, poke, poke. woo me with science Mar 2012 #5
So how much will a contractor charge per unit? 10 grand? Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #6
What makes you think they're trying to calm things down? gratuitous Mar 2012 #7
+ KG Mar 2012 #8
How long before Adm. Jonathan Greenert MikeOlsen Mar 2012 #9
Yeah, right gratuitous Mar 2012 #10
Could you quote the part where he's trying to usurp civilian control of the military? jeff47 Mar 2012 #12
Rogue? OPOS Mar 2012 #14
Bring a sawed-off shotgun to a dirty drone war? Fucking brilliant of him. Perhaps a derringer too? saras Mar 2012 #11
Minesweepers are defensive OPOS Mar 2012 #13

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
7. What makes you think they're trying to calm things down?
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 01:17 PM
Mar 2012

If Iran would just hand over that sweet, sweet crude to the oil companies, there wouldn't be a problem. If war is to come to Iran, we will style it as all their fault in the best tradition of bullies the world over. Meanwhile, at home, we'll continue to persuade our citizens about the nobility of our cause and the honor and glory of sending more sons and daughters to kill and die for the health of the bottom line of ExxonMobil, Chevron and Shell. There's a shiny medal in it for you!

 

MikeOlsen

(62 posts)
9. How long before Adm. Jonathan Greenert
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 01:23 PM
Mar 2012

is called on the carpet in the oval office by the CiC and told that the military is under civilian control for a good reason?

It's the way the Constitution has set things up.

This rogue will be cashiered by the end of the weekend!

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
12. Could you quote the part where he's trying to usurp civilian control of the military?
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 04:04 PM
Mar 2012

'Cause all I see is him describing why he wants to use different weapons for the task assigned to him by the civilians in control of the military.

 

OPOS

(73 posts)
14. Rogue?
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 04:30 PM
Mar 2012

So you think the Admiral sent these ships against orders? Why would the President not give the commander of a Mission HE authorized the resources and authority to use assets in accomplishing a mission the President wants done?

Or are you seriously suggesting the Admiral thought this all up on his own, without any authorization and the President is staying silent?

If the Admiral was a rogue the President would have shortstopped this ship deployment before it left CONUS, he does get briefings you know

 

OPOS

(73 posts)
13. Minesweepers are defensive
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 04:23 PM
Mar 2012

Minesweepers are defensive weapons systems. They have no job unless the Iranians dump Mines into the waters (an act of war by the way). Then those minesweepers find and neutralize the mines for ALL shipping, Military and Civilian. If the Iranians dont dump mines or attack ships outside their waters then there is no problem.

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