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Justice

(7,188 posts)
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 10:18 AM Jan 2014

Fort Lee Lane Closings - what was the end game?


The Fort Lee lane closings only stopped when the PA ED Foye reversed them.

If he had not stepped in, what would have happened? Where they going to be continued? What was the plan? Was there a plan?

Where Christie's people waiting for someone to cry "uncle" or "pay a ransom"



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Fort Lee Lane Closings - what was the end game? (Original Post) Justice Jan 2014 OP
You know, THAT is an excellent question! Yeah, when WOULD the lanes have been re-opened? WinkyDink Jan 2014 #1
Ransom JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #2
Good call. nt WhiteTara Jan 2014 #12
I don't think there was one, but that question needs to be explored. Great point. stevenleser Jan 2014 #3
Steve JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #14
Placing judicial activists on the courts is a very plausible motivation starroute Jan 2014 #16
Amen to this JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #19
Here's the Rove/Christie item I posted on another thread starroute Jan 2014 #20
Alas, the interview was already taped earlier this morning. stevenleser Jan 2014 #17
We gotta assume they were waiting for word from on high. rgbecker Jan 2014 #4
I'm inclined toward believing there WAS no end game Cirque du So-What Jan 2014 #5
Thats exactly it. It was using power because they could. Bullying. Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #6
Interesting, and brings to mind these Christie comments: ProSense Jan 2014 #7
It's a border town, right on the river, so its residents would have treestar Jan 2014 #11
He lives all the way out in Mendham JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #15
Based on the premise that the police who told callers that the decision was made by Ft Lee mayor okaawhatever Jan 2014 #8
Christie must be a wimp ... GeorgeGist Jan 2014 #9
Well, whatever it was, I bet it wasn't the one they got. ananda Jan 2014 #10
To sit around giggling about how they fucked over all those people. Iggo Jan 2014 #13
the end game was for the christie thugs to simply be dicks FatBuddy Jan 2014 #18
Well they sure screwed up and let an elderly lady die in the traffic. Rex Jan 2014 #21

JustAnotherGen

(31,849 posts)
2. Ransom
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 10:19 AM
Jan 2014

Last edited Sat Jan 11, 2014, 01:58 PM - Edit history (1)

Our State Senate has refused to seat anyone who was up for Wallace's seat.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
3. I don't think there was one, but that question needs to be explored. Great point.
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 10:21 AM
Jan 2014

I think this was an issue of petty vindictiveness by corrupt officials who thought they were above the law whose only goal was to punish a political opponent.

But, it would be interesting to have all of the parties asked what they were trying to accomplish. Maybe they were trying to extort an endorsement and send a message.

JustAnotherGen

(31,849 posts)
14. Steve
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 02:03 PM
Jan 2014

If you and the Rude Pundit are discussing this week - please dive into the NJ SCOTUS battles. I've been three places this morning in very Red and very much went for Christie/Romney Hunterdon County running errands. The talk about the towns out here is the Wallace issue. At this point the Mayoral thing is a smoke screen for placing judicial activists on the court who will do the far Right's bidding.

It's beginning to look like Christie went a different route than Walker - but the way of Koch brother's bidding indeed he tried to go.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
16. Placing judicial activists on the courts is a very plausible motivation
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 02:52 PM
Jan 2014

The Chamber of Commerce has been active for a decade in pushing for pro-business judges in states where the top judges are elected.

Karl Rove was going in the same direction as early as the 1990s, when he discovered that "tort reform" was a good issue for convincing voters to vote for pro-business candidates. (And Rove was one of the people who encouraged Christie to run for governor back when he was still a US Attorney.)

Many of Bush's most noxious judicial nominations -- the ones that got the Democrats to filibuster and prompted the first talk of the nuclear option -- were explicitly pro-business and anti-worker. (And some of the more abhorrent recent decisions have come from those same Bush judges.)

New Jersey doesn't elect its judges but has this complex system of lifetime appointments following a seven-year probation period -- meaning that the only way to promote more conservative courts was for Christie to head off liberal justices at that crucial seven-year transition.

There's a very deep agenda here, and it has less to do with getting Christie elected (though that would be his motivation for playing along) than with the interests currently represented by the unholy alliance of the Chamber's and Rove's electoral fundraising juggernauts (an alliance that goes back to 2004-05 and the first attempt to privatize Social Security.)

JustAnotherGen

(31,849 posts)
19. Amen to this
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 03:25 PM
Jan 2014
There's a very deep agenda here, and it has less to do with getting Christie elected (though that would be his motivation for playing along) than with the interests currently represented by the unholy alliance of the Chamber's and Rove's electoral fundraising juggernauts (an alliance that goes back to 2004-05 and the first attempt to privatize Social Security.)


All of it actually - but those statements wrap it up nicely.

And let's be clear - Wallace had ZERO controversy serving his first seven years.

Christie was ordered to send a message - so he did.

And thank you for reiterating the unholy alliance between Rove and Christie. I wish more people were aware of it - you are helping the cause.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
20. Here's the Rove/Christie item I posted on another thread
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 04:12 PM
Jan 2014

I didn't repeat it here because it seemed redundant -- but it seems to be called for.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/08/karl_rove_says_gop_candidate_c.html

August 12, 2009

Republican gubernatorial candidate Chris Christie has tried to escape the shadow of former President George W. Bush, whose support for Christie has become a major line of attack by Democratic Gov. Jon Corzine.

But in an interview Tuesday and in congressional testimony last month, longtime Bush advisor Karl Rove said he had conversations with Christie about a possible run for governor while Christie was serving in the non-political position of U.S. attorney. . . .

Christie's campaign downplayed the exchange Tuesday, calling it "not surprising" Rove had "inquired about Chris' future plans once his term as U.S. Attorney would come to an end."

"In this informal conversation, Chris discussed with Mr. Rove the fact he was being urged to run for elected office and Mr. Rove in turn offered to recommend people who could help Chris reach a decision if he eventually seriously considered running for office," Christie spokeswoman Maria Comella said in a statement.

rgbecker

(4,834 posts)
4. We gotta assume they were waiting for word from on high.
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 10:25 AM
Jan 2014

Bridget was probably waiting for word from Christie.

Cirque du So-What

(25,962 posts)
5. I'm inclined toward believing there WAS no end game
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 10:42 AM
Jan 2014

It was an open-ended act of political payback that borders upon the textbook definition of terrorism. The misery and frustration caused by creating traffic nightmares was its own 'reward' for Crusty and his hacks & flacks.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
7. Interesting, and brings to mind these Christie comments:
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 11:13 AM
Jan 2014
“The fact is, I didn’t know Fort Lee got three dedicated lanes until all this stuff happened, and I think we should review that entire policy because I don’t know why Fort Lee needs three dedicated lanes to tell you the truth,” Christie said at the time. “And I didn’t even know it until this whole, you know, happening went about.”

http://www.northjersey.com/news/christie_kelly_bridge_lane_closures_emails.html?page=all


CHRISTIE: I didn`t know Fort Lee got three dedicated lanes until all this stuff happened. I sat in that traffic before I was governor, the fact that one town has three lanes dedicated to it? That kind of gets me sauced.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/54031801/ns/msnbc-all_in_with_chris_hayes/

That's a about 3:50 into the first tape posted here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024303805

That was before he turned into Christie "the victim" of a lying staff. He wasn't pissed about the dangerous situation created by the closures, he was "sauced" that Fort Lee had "three lanes dedicated to it." (lie)

treestar

(82,383 posts)
11. It's a border town, right on the river, so its residents would have
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 01:37 PM
Jan 2014

more occasion to use the bridge. Surely traffic studies determined the number of lanes dedicated to Fort Lee. What a blowhard Christie is. And a dumb one. Is he trying to get votes for his opponents?

JustAnotherGen

(31,849 posts)
15. He lives all the way out in Mendham
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 02:06 PM
Jan 2014

He knows as much about the daily commute over the GWB as I do about traffic on I-95. He is a Self Absorbed idiot who is intent on imploding.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
8. Based on the premise that the police who told callers that the decision was made by Ft Lee mayor
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 11:21 AM
Jan 2014

Sokolich were acting on behalf of Christie at least part o the end game was to have Sokolich blamed for the entire mess. One of the early emails said Sokolich, I think referred to in the emails as the Serbian, was going to have a hard time come November (election time). So we at least know that someone told the cops to tell the callers that the decision was made by Sokolich and very early on the Christie staffers were saying that the mayor would have a hard time during the election.

ananda

(28,873 posts)
10. Well, whatever it was, I bet it wasn't the one they got.
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 12:22 PM
Jan 2014

They were probably trying to spank Rep. Weinberg, the Dem leader
of the NJ state senate, for going so hard on Christie's court
nominees and "forcing" him to withdraw his pet Hoens.

Iggo

(47,563 posts)
13. To sit around giggling about how they fucked over all those people.
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 01:45 PM
Jan 2014

"In your face, fuckers! I'm in charge!"

 

FatBuddy

(376 posts)
18. the end game was for the christie thugs to simply be dicks
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 03:07 PM
Jan 2014

not much else. you can't read much into what republicans do: it's just evil meanness pure and simple.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
21. Well they sure screwed up and let an elderly lady die in the traffic.
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 04:20 PM
Jan 2014

I don't think that was their goal and now they are up shit creek without a paddle for being exposed as petty and vindictive politicians. Murderers too.

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