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dgibby

(9,474 posts)
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 06:54 PM Jan 2014

Things are getting worse in Charleston, WV.

Just heard from a friend who has family there. Not only are they out of bottled water, they're out of hand sanitizer, baby wipes, food that can be microwaved, and lots of other stuff. No end in sight. Bottled water has been sent from my area in western Va to to affected areas in WV.

I'm guessing the poor are having a terrible time right now, as I seriously doubt they can afford to buy the things they'll need to survive. I asked her if the Red Cross, Fema, Salvation Army, or other groups are on the ground there, but haven't heard anything yet. What a mess!

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Things are getting worse in Charleston, WV. (Original Post) dgibby Jan 2014 OP
Thanks for the update theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #1
The assholes that caused this should pay for EVERYTHING! Politicalboi Jan 2014 #2
I have every expectation that . . . MrModerate Jan 2014 #3
Sadly I see them declaring bankruptcy and everyone will go free of consequences Arcanetrance Jan 2014 #6
or they will agree to pay and then request the courts invalidate that agreement Coexist Jan 2014 #46
I agree with position completely except bankrupt company and directors and execs on point Jan 2014 #29
Mercy shenmue Jan 2014 #4
Why are corporate disasters treated so much differently than natural disasters? Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #5
Is the any charity set up to help? I'd like to help if I could. AAO Jan 2014 #7
here's some info - others here will likely find better info spooky3 Jan 2014 #8
Thanks! That helped a lot!! AAO Jan 2014 #9
Thank you to our Kentucky neighbors! theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #12
The sort of relief that will be needed will require public funding, and lots of it. ronnie624 Jan 2014 #41
What scares me bpositive Jan 2014 #10
I'm terrified this is pretty much everybody's future. librechik Jan 2014 #11
Yup. A short season of "who could have seen it coming?" lies followed by "sorry about yer luck" TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #30
The free market at work. Like the plant in Texas and the spills in ND mountain grammy Jan 2014 #13
There's also this gem: blue neen Jan 2014 #16
Nightmare. mountain grammy Jan 2014 #19
What does the spill mean for rivers iamthebandfanman Jan 2014 #14
Yes, what about the people downstream? Delmette Jan 2014 #31
i wonder what the radius of the impacted zone is? FatBuddy Jan 2014 #15
Outdoor rain showers and parents taking the laundry to their kids jakeXT Jan 2014 #17
"Horse bath." Brickbat Jan 2014 #21
ya gotta wonder if she really meant "horse" freeplessinseattle Jan 2014 #23
The reporter fucked up, IMO. Brickbat Jan 2014 #24
True That!!! Homer Wells Jan 2014 #44
after a hurricane in St. Thomas, I put out every clean container I had to catch rain Coexist Jan 2014 #47
I'm sure you did. It's a very good idea. Brickbat Jan 2014 #48
I did the same thing during Hurricane Hugo. dgibby Jan 2014 #40
Folks are petitioning Tide to send in a Loads of Hope truck Tanuki Jan 2014 #18
Kick cordelia Jan 2014 #20
I heard from my friend. dgibby Jan 2014 #22
Other counties are organizing relief efforts. a la izquierda Jan 2014 #25
Just remember... Wash the FRACKING Waste from the Potable Water Tanks BEFORE using them! TheBlackAdder Jan 2014 #26
As a side note: Someone should test the water in those potable tanks. TheBlackAdder Jan 2014 #27
The water on the carrier wasn't contaminated. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #34
If an individual had poisoned the water they would be locked up and B Calm Jan 2014 #28
I agree with you, MrYikes Jan 2014 #33
It's criminal negligence of massive proportions at the least. But the CEO is not the only one sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #35
Luckily my relatives in the Huntington area have been spared this underpants Jan 2014 #32
Things are bad here in Lincoln County Saboburns Jan 2014 #36
I know what you mean about Volunteer FD's, etc. dgibby Jan 2014 #38
Good article with map of affected area dgibby Jan 2014 #37
My friend in WV dgibby Jan 2014 #39
Let this be an environmental wake-up call Blue Owl Jan 2014 #42
The effects on people are horrible. Are_grits_groceries Jan 2014 #43
Fucking satanic Koch brothers. Patiod Jan 2014 #45

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
1. Thanks for the update
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 07:05 PM
Jan 2014

I too would like to know where all the high-profile relief agencies are right now.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
2. The assholes that caused this should pay for EVERYTHING!
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 07:31 PM
Jan 2014

This should be a new strategy for companies that pollute. Do it again, then you lose your company.

Coexist

(24,542 posts)
46. or they will agree to pay and then request the courts invalidate that agreement
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 05:17 PM
Jan 2014

in a year, claiming too many fraudulent claims.

on point

(2,506 posts)
29. I agree with position completely except bankrupt company and directors and execs
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 12:13 PM
Jan 2014

Including golden pensions, personal assets and anything else they have. Maybe then they will see that protecting the environment is not only right, but cheaper.

If the company can't operate with this overhead then it should be out of business. At least the true market costs would be priced into products

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
5. Why are corporate disasters treated so much differently than natural disasters?
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 08:09 PM
Jan 2014

I think I know the answer, but the question still needs to be asked.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
41. The sort of relief that will be needed will require public funding, and lots of it.
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 02:20 PM
Jan 2014

Infrastructure and funding should be readily available for this sort of thing. People should not have to depend on charity, but I will donate as soon as possible.

How I loathe capitalism.

bpositive

(423 posts)
10. What scares me
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 08:35 PM
Jan 2014

Is the amount of parents that used the water making baby formula before they knew the water was poisoned

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
30. Yup. A short season of "who could have seen it coming?" lies followed by "sorry about yer luck"
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 12:15 PM
Jan 2014

Followed by some really great returns on carefully protected water rights and a lot of sick poor folks.

mountain grammy

(26,642 posts)
13. The free market at work. Like the plant in Texas and the spills in ND
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 09:23 PM
Jan 2014

The corporations hide behind beautiful commercials about jobs and money and making everyone's lives better and the voters, who are affected negatively more than they even realize, go on with their corporate lives and vote for corporate candidates.
There are simply no consequences for anything, except if your poor and/or African American. Then you pay for all the sins of the world for stealing a jacket or having a bag of pot.

Christians say Jesus suffered and died for all our sins but what I see are the poor suffering and dying for the sins of the rich.
Wasn't that really what happened 2000 years ago?

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
14. What does the spill mean for rivers
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 09:34 PM
Jan 2014

down stream from it ?

it eventually goes into the Ohio River... and of course then the Mississippi...
wonder if itll have effects on them as well?

Delmette

(522 posts)
31. Yes, what about the people downstream?
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 12:33 PM
Jan 2014

I haven't seen or heard anything about testing their water supply's.

 

FatBuddy

(376 posts)
15. i wonder what the radius of the impacted zone is?
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 09:39 PM
Jan 2014

i would buy gasoline (if they have it), put it in my car and drive outside of that zone, maybe an extra 100 or so miles.

now people will likely say, "what about people without cars? who cannot afford gas?"

that's a fucked up situation. it's really hard to live without water.

in fact, it's impossible. times like these are when good people should pull together for the common good.

plus a little help from FEMA, Red Cross, and the National Guard wouldn't hurt.

i wonder if the water table/well water/atmospheric water is affected?

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
17. Outdoor rain showers and parents taking the laundry to their kids
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 10:04 PM
Jan 2014

"I was laying in bed this morning and I heard the rain and I thought, 'Thank God,' " said Debbie Stevens, 54.

The Charleston resident grabbed her shampoo and conditioner and went outside to stand in her pajamas under a leaky gutter that was pouring rainwater.

"I washed my hair and then I came in and used my wet pajamas take a horse bath," she said.

...

The spill has resulted in one amusing trend, said Haley. Many of her friends have college-age children at West Virginia University in Morgantown, north of the spill area.

"Usually college kids come home with their dirty clothes. But I've talked to three people now who've gone up to Morgantown to stay with their kids and do laundry."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/11/west-virginia-chemical-spill/4430247/

Homer Wells

(1,576 posts)
44. True That!!!
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 03:22 PM
Jan 2014

Living down here in deep southern West Virginia (thankfully about 20 miles west of the disaster) , the phrase is "whore's bath"
No horses involved.

Coexist

(24,542 posts)
47. after a hurricane in St. Thomas, I put out every clean container I had to catch rain
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 05:18 PM
Jan 2014

and used that to wash, flush the toilet etc.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
48. I'm sure you did. It's a very good idea.
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 10:11 PM
Jan 2014

I'm also sure the woman in the story did not call her ablution a "horse bath."

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
40. I did the same thing during Hurricane Hugo.
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 02:05 PM
Jan 2014

Threw on my bathing suit, grabbed the shampoo and conditioner and stood under the broken gutter that was damaged when a tree fell on the house during the storm. Of course, it was still summertime in the Low Country and very hot. Debbie is more of a woman than I'll ever be! Weather in WV and here in Va has been very cold. I'm shivering just reading this!

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
22. I heard from my friend.
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 01:51 AM
Jan 2014

There are "watering stations" set up and some water is being delivered to shut ins. The scope of this is mind boggling. Elective surgeries are on hold. My neighbor's BIL is supposed to have bypass surgery next week, but she isn't sure what's going to happen with him yet. Restaurants are closed, and I'm guessing schools will probably be closed, but haven't heard for sure.

I asked if there was anyplace we could could send donations, but haven't heard yet. Will post as soon as I do.

Glad to know the Red Cross is responding. They're going to need all the help they can get.

a la izquierda

(11,797 posts)
25. Other counties are organizing relief efforts.
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 12:04 PM
Jan 2014

I know Monongalia County has a supplies drop off site today.

This is a terrible tragedy.

TheBlackAdder

(28,211 posts)
26. Just remember... Wash the FRACKING Waste from the Potable Water Tanks BEFORE using them!
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 12:09 PM
Jan 2014


I was at a Philly protest at some US agency and some folks from Dimmock, PA were saying that they've witnessed POTABLE WATER trucks being used to carry off fracking waste water, which one of the drivers were protesting as it contaminates the tanks and they can't be cleaned.



Why would they do this?

Possibly so the fracking waste could be dumped in steams or waterways without raising suspicion.

TheBlackAdder

(28,211 posts)
27. As a side note: Someone should test the water in those potable tanks.
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 12:12 PM
Jan 2014

We've seen how the sailors on the USS Ronald Reagan didn't have their water tested.

Who knows what those tanks were used for before this emergency, and if they were cleaned?

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
34. The water on the carrier wasn't contaminated.
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 12:45 PM
Jan 2014

It's purified by a process that would eliminate the radiation.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
28. If an individual had poisoned the water they would be locked up and
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 12:13 PM
Jan 2014

behind bars facing terrorism charges.

The Supreme Court ruled corporations are people, so why hasn't the police locked up the CEO over this?

MrYikes

(720 posts)
33. I agree with you,
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 12:44 PM
Jan 2014

but let's not stop there. The stockholders own the company and force the ceo to do dastardly things. Let us hold the stockholders to account.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
35. It's criminal negligence of massive proportions at the least. But the CEO is not the only one
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 12:48 PM
Jan 2014

responsible, every politician who enables these travesties is also culpable and until people start getting serious about defending themselves against these puppets for Corporations, there really is nothing that can be done. In the end it is up to the people.

I have seen very little about this on the 'news'. Same thing with the Texas explosion.

Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
36. Things are bad here in Lincoln County
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 01:02 PM
Jan 2014

But to answer your question, yes, we are getting aid from Red Cross and FEMA. red Criss disaster Relief has been going door to door with cases of water. And in or lil town of 1,000 I've seen two Semi's full of bottled water.

Most Restaurants are still closed, some have conditionally reopened.

In this state we have very few organized Fire Departments. Nearly all our little towns have Volunteer Fired Departments. Our county Fire Departments are funded through bonds to buy the equipment, but the labor is 100% volunteer. The men and women who do this type of stuff are Heroic. We've got dozens of volunteers going door to door, delivering water and food, checking on shut in folk, and keeping things moving as well as possible. I don't have much disposable income, but I always donate money to these people. They shine during these times, but they don't get enough credit for all the things they accomplish.

Without Restaurants, and not much potable water, cooking and eating can be a problem. Not to mention washing and bathing. Not being able to wash one's self, clothes, and dishes is a major pain.

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
38. I know what you mean about Volunteer FD's, etc.
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 01:31 PM
Jan 2014

I was born, raised, and live in Alleghany Co, Va, which borders Greenbriar, Co, WV. We have a vol FD and Rescue Squad and lots of my friends and neighbors are members. We couldn't live here if not for them. Nearest large city is Roanoke, which is 40 miles away.

I went to nursing school (back in the '60's) with lots of girls from WV, and lots of people who live here are from WV. We're on the CSX line and there's a WestVaCo paper mill just up the road, so lots of folks came here for the jobs and stayed. Needless to say, we're very concerned about all of you who are affected.

I was in the Navy and stationed in Charleston, SC, when Hurricane Hugo hit. We were without power and water for days. Working in the hospital without power and water was a nightmare that I never want to repeat. The back up generators didn't work properly, the heat was oppressive, no running water, couldn't flush the toilets (which overflowed and ran out into the main passageways, creating a hazmat situation), elderly patients died from heat stress. That lasted for days. As the old saying goes, you don't know what you have until you lose it.

The big problem is going to be in the less populated/rural areas. Relief efforts are usually concentrated in the more heavily populated areas and get the bulk of the aid first. Everyone else is pretty much left to their own devices, or at least that was my experence with Hugo. Folks in the outlying areas were in terrible straights for many days. They were the last to get roads cleared, last to get emergency supplies, and the last to get elect. and water restored.

Please keep us posted, Saboburns, and let us know if and/or how we can help.

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
39. My friend in WV
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 01:37 PM
Jan 2014

is recommending donating to the ARC if you want to help. She also said a class action suit is in the works.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
43. The effects on people are horrible.
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 03:12 PM
Jan 2014

In addition, thinking of all the animals that will be affected is heartbreaking. They can't heed warnings. Maybe it's so vile they won't drink it.

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