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There are a number of reasons why you should believe Dawn Zimmer is telling the truth about being pressured by the Christie Administration on behalf of the Rockefeller Group. Not the least of these are the personal reasons that you can't know unless you've met her. This isn't about those reasons, although it needs to be said that she is a serious honest person who is primarily concerned with the job she currently has, Mayor of Hoboken, not her personal political advancement. If you met her, you would know that and that would be enough for any reasonable thinking person.
Another reason would be that lying about this makes no sense. She has nothing to gain and everything to lose from making this public. Why would she say such things if they weren't true? Why would she put herself at risk of criminal prosecution and political ruin? What is the point? Well, there is none. Again, this should be enough for a rational thinking person to accept that she is credible in making these statements. The real reason is that this is how things worked here. The explanation is a little long, so please bear with me.
The real reason you need to believe her is that this is how Wolff & Samson and The Rockefeller group do business. And, believe it or not, this was not really their fault. They were just doing what comes naturally to them. They are successful driven people trying to excel at their jobs and make money. The Rockefeller Group did not become a billion dollar enterprise by being timid. Wolff & Samson did not become the "go to" law firm for developers in NJ by taking no for an answer. They are very good at what they do. The representatives from Rockefeller and the lawyers from Wolff & Samson are polite, professional and persistent. They are relentless in pursuit of their goals. How public officials react in response to this pressure is where the fault lies. Again and again they've gotten their way by getting those officials to respond to them in ways that are sometimes inappropriate, but mostly how they want them to. And all without doing anything illegal themselves.
Sometimes what Rockefeller proposes for development is fair and appropriate. In those incidences, getting to the end game is easy. Sometimes its not. That's where the character of the public officials comes into play. When they run into a road block that comes from an environmental regulation, or zoning, or an administrative rule its never the end of the story. Keep in mind that these rules and regulations are important in this state because it is the most densely populated state in the country and paying attention to where and how development takes place and conservation of resources is more important here than in most places in the world, let alone the U.S. So when a no answer comes, its usually with good reason. Whether its an office building in Mount Olive, or a logistics center in central NJ or a redevelopment project in Hoboken, (all Rockefeller projects that have run into roadblocks) no is generally the right answer. But its never accepted as the last answer.
Wolff & Samson's stock in trade is public access and influence. In this particular administration, that reach goes directly to the Governor's office. So what they do, after politely leaving the decision maker level, is start to work their way up the chain of command and try to pressure the decision maker from above. David Samson and their law firm have the ear of the governor in NJ. They have a very close relationship. So word goes to the governor's office and he uses his "people", in this incidence the Commissioner of the Department of Community Affairs and his Lieutenant Governor, to apply the pressure. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes just the word from above is enough to change the decision makers mind. Sometimes there is more leverage available. Promises of promotion. Threats of firing. They've been used by this administration in attempts to get their way. Here, a fund of billions of dollars in much needed Sandy aid provides the leverage. Rockefeller and Wolff & Samson never need to make a threat or make the deal or apply pressure. Christie and his people did it for them. It's just how they operate.
So when Dawn Zimmer tells you that a message on behalf of Wolff & Samson was sent through the Commissioner or the Lieutenant Governor in an attempt to influence a decision in their favor, believe it. Its just a window into how they do business. Its consistent with past behavior. They've done it with Democrats and Republicans in the past. There are times they've been successful and times they haven't. Its what they do. What they haven't had before was a governor as closely tied to them as Christie with the leverage provided by the destruction of Sandy and the money to address that destruction.
So if any of the other reasons for believing Mayor Zimmer aren't enough for you, look to the fact that this is a page right out of the Wolff & Samson/Rockefeller playbook. Just raised to another level by the depravity and unbridled hubris of Christie and his inner circle. I wasn't going to write this but when I saw Mayor Zimmer being attacked today as a liar, this needed to be said. There are other reasons as well. There were other mayors pressured following Sandy for different purposes. Mostly, the important incident was here. This is where the lines between power politics and corruption were crossed and you need to understand how and why it was done. Mayor Zimmer is absolutely telling the truth because the story absolutely fits with how the players in this story operate.
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)because she didn't say anything right away. Or didn't stand up to the bullying like SHE would have done if she had been wearing Zimmer's shoes.
Fucking Mika Brezinski.
Cha
(297,240 posts)shit.
Mira
(22,380 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)He sits next to her every morning!
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)Laxman
(2,419 posts)is treated as just a face on T.V. or a character in this soap opera you can get away with character assassination. When she is a real person and when you look at this in the perspective of reality, those attacks on her character are exposed for the vacuous nonsense that they are. The problem is that we put blathering idiots in positions to comment on things they know nothing about as if they're experts. And people believe it based on whose "team" they may be on. We're doomed.
enough
(13,259 posts)depressing element of our current situation. I'm afraid I have to agree with your final sentence.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)My impression is that she sits there making contorted, unattractive faces & isn't assertive enough to get more than one or two snarky words in between others talking.
Laxman
(2,419 posts)to the empty black hearts of the commentators than those they cover. These soulless creeps are so used to dealing with people whose main motivation is self-promotion and self interest, that they don't understand it when they actually run across somebody who is serving the interest they were elected to serve. Its a foreign concept to them. Probably because they know nothing about acting in the public interest themselves. They are cut from the same cheap phoney cloth as the people they cover. When they run across somebody like Dawn Zimmer acting in the best interest of the people who elected her it doesn't compute in their warped view of the world.
NJCher
(35,675 posts)Laxman, you said it.
Sometimes DU posters--and in this case, the OP, too--just nail it.
She is a freak of nature to them.
Cher
pacalo
(24,721 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)where THEY were in their not reporting Christie's bullying and corruption. I mean, some reporters have been covering it all along, but they're not national media journos with a huge TV stage, like Mika.
She gets on the mayor with her "why didn't you come forward?" when she's ignored the Christie story for a couple of years herself.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)Also Christie had a 70% approval rating at that time who the fuck was going to believe her if she did come forward back than.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Political situations has the depth of a kiddie pool. I guess she's buying job security with her blind support of CC.
She's the reason I stopped watching MJ about a year ago. I expect this tough talking shit from him. But she's fucking clueless about political realities, like being caught between a rock and a hard place, like the mayor said she was.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)Please proceed
(59 posts)She's a team player, not afraid of retaliation. And she's stupid enough to not understand why a bully like Christy would be nice to her. Mika, you have a national audience, Christy only bullies local women, but that's okay to you. He's nice to you. Go pose in your little black dress for your commercials, obviously that's your calling card, not your intellect.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)promoting their cluelessness and/or "I would'a ..." B.S., this morning on the Morning Joe Show. But what caught my attention was their exchange with Robinson ... He practically laughed at their "failure to understand" why Zimmer wouldn't have just (in the words of Joe) "told the Lt. Governor, 'I'll give you 5 seconds to take that back or I'm gonna tell."
Cha
(297,240 posts)but your piece is very compelling, Laxman.
Plus I by now know the history of the Christie Crime Family and what they're capable of doing if someone isn't bowing to their wishes.
Laxman
(2,419 posts)who is in charge-Christie or Samson, (and it doesn't really matter) but this kind of pressure and immoral action is how they, and the people who work for them, operate. Its thoroughly discouraging and thoroughly disgusting.
Cha
(297,240 posts)piece. I always thought Guadagno was representing Christie when talking to Mayor Z in the parking lot but either way.. they're both bullies and Samson was up past his neck on the GWB Lane Closures, too. It seems the viper culture of the PA will be getting some major scrutinity, also.
there's soooo much to digest.. but, it will all come out who did what when and where.. eventually. We have brilliant people on the case. In the meantime it's a national mystery of politics at its worst waiting to be solved.
Director of Interstate Capital Projects David Wildstein, Port Authority Chairman David Samson, Deputy Executive Director Bill Baroni, Gov. Chris Christie, and Mary Pat Christie, arriving at the site of the Sept. 11 Memorial, Sept. 11, 2013, in this photo obtain by The Wall Street Journal
http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2014/01/14/christie-official-who-arranged-bridge-closures-together-during-fiasco/
What an epic movie this will be.. I hope they do it justice. Weinsteins?
Laxman
(2,419 posts)a mystery waiting to be solved. And it will make a great movie some day. I wasn't going to write this but I was getting ready to go to bed last night and I saw Guadagno's press conference. I'm glad I took the time. I can't believe it got 3500 views and nearly 100 recommendations. Never can tell what will get people's attention. I'm glad it was this because its important to understand that there are real people involved in this with real motivations. Knowing what they are is the key to knowing who to believe and who not to believe (for actual reasons-not just because) and to understand why things happen. Because everything happens for a reason.
Cha
(297,240 posts)all those Recs it got!
And, Bully Karma is B****!
spanone
(135,833 posts)pnwmom
(108,978 posts)Mira
(22,380 posts)lib87
(535 posts)Thanks Laxman!
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Just like in the movies, the villain has good, and does what it's nature tells it to do, it's nature having been formed by our society and previous experience.
We have a very good hero here, and luckily she keeps a diary! Otherwise she might be easier to dismiss. There's just no way she would have invented all of that.
Laxman
(2,419 posts)is the key to knowing how and why things happen and who to blame. Blaming Wolff & Samson or Rockefeller is like blaming a lion for eating a gazelle. It's just what they do. They will do whatever it takes to try to get their way. It's government's job to try to keep them within the bounds of what is good for society as a whole. So the reaction of the government-here it's Christie and his inner circle- to the pressure is where the morality lies. They chose the path of crossing moral (and perhaps legal) boundaries to please the lobbyist. They've never been called on this behavior before. It took the GWB incident to embolden Mayor Zimmer enough to expose them.
ColumbusLib
(158 posts)This makes a lot of sense, on many levels. Occam's Razor works here.
Laxman
(2,419 posts)this is the answer because this is the answer that makes sense and is the simplest reason. The "x-factor" is always what the public official will do in response to the lobbying. Most of the time, extortion is not the answer, just finding a way to accommodate them is the solution. Christie, the heavy-handed bully who is used to getting his way, chose to use what was at his disposal to please his friend/master Samson. He thought he would get what he usually does-compliance. This time, someone stood up to the pressure and actually pushed back.
Great OP, Laxman. These are the days of our lives in Disaster Capitalism.
lancer78
(1,495 posts)If it does not make sense, then you must acquit
Beach Rat
(273 posts)malaise
(269,003 posts)By the way the Lt Governor said she doesn't know Zimmer from a hole in the wall
SummerSnow found a photo of them at post 30
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024363022#post30
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)But I thought it was someone else who said that?:
www.democraticunderground.com/10024362989
malaise
(269,003 posts)Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)It's a Chris Christie Feeding Frenzy on DU. A few misbites are bound to happen.
NJCher
(35,675 posts)Cher
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)and so was especially disappointed . . .
malaise
(269,003 posts)It was the Holly Assembly lady.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)K Gardner
(14,933 posts)oh so "holier than thou" attitude about what they would have done, ergo, she could not be telling the truth or she has a bad character flaw, or was condoning illegal acitivty - I . Could. Scream.
Today they said she was being "propped up by our own network".
I think she is a woman of courage in a horribly impossible.. IMPOSSIBLE.. situation, trying to do the best for her constituents in a scary situation. She had to play it with kid gloves and she knew it. Nobody would have believed her then, just as these two dipshits don't believe her now.
Wonderful piece !
Laxman
(2,419 posts)if she came out and made this claim out of the blue she would have been met with the same denials, although they wouldn't ring as hollow as they do now. She would have been in a bad position-but more importantly her city would have been in a bad position. Protecting Hoboken is her main goal and why she acted as she did. That's what a mayor is supposed to do.
The idiots on T.V. are so used to people whose main motivation is self-promotion and self interest, that they don't understand it when somebody is serving the interest they were elected to serve. Its a foreign concept to them. Probably because they know nothing about acting in the public interest themselves. They are cut from the same cheap phoney cloth as the people they cover. When they run across somebody like Dawn Zimmer acting in the best interest of the people who elected her it doesn't compute in their warped view of the world.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)That you may be connected to her . . . If so - tell her just one woman in NJ believes every single word she says. For all of the reasons you outlined. And she appears to have real steel in her spine - as well as having mastered the greatest combact tactic of all - Bide. Bide Your Time.
I hope the dust settles and she goes to Trenton in the near future. We need more like her down there.
Laxman
(2,419 posts)and your assessment of her is accurate. She was forced to keep her mouth shut until the GWB mess gave her the opening to reveal what had taken place. My strong belief, based on my contact with mayors across the state, is that she was not the only one who was paced in a similar position. Hopefully others will also have the courage to come forward now, but I'm not holding my breath.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)besides the journal, she has emails.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/21/how-msnbc-s-steve-kornacki-broke-the-latest-christie-scandal.html
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I believe her every word. Period.The RW leadership in that state, with the help of so-called democrats, are a corrupt vile bunch that represent what american politics has always been. Money drives our politics, not high principle, ethics or even truth. Her honor, Ms. Zimmer has shown principle in finally telling the truth about the RW leadership/party of that state. I hope she is successful in gaining the funds needed by her constituents.
Laxman
(2,419 posts)like staying quiet or even, God forbid, admitting they were wrong. Smearing the accuser, unfortunately, is the default option. Here, we shouldn't allow them to do this without a healthy dose of shame. Of course, these are people who are immune to such measures.
Its funny, I made a mistake, I screwed up, I'll try to make this right and do better next time is an answer that will often end a scandal.
Dread Pirate Roberts
(1,896 posts)Aha-madest thou look!
sorry for the commercial but its a good one!
heaven05
(18,124 posts)perfect.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)record. She has spoken under oath. No one in Christie's camp has done that. They are trying to have the American voters minds made up before they are forced to tell the truth. Luckily for the Republicans, they now own the press and don't have accountability to anyone so they can continue their plan.
Dread Pirate Roberts
(1,896 posts)There is definitely an element of Ralphie snapping and beating the heck out of the bully Farkus isn't there.
It feels like the entire State of NJ has snapped an is on top of Christie pounding him in the face.
Laxman
(2,419 posts)except we're not at the point where he's getting his just due yet. We're at the stage where "somewhere in the tiny recesses of my brain, a tiny flame was burning" is happening. It's just a matter of time.
indie9197
(509 posts)I wish her the best. I hope that Hoboken appreciates having an honest person as a mayor.
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)It is a crime to make a false statement to a federal official including a US Attorney http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully
(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both. If the matter relates to an offense under chapter 109A, 109B, 110, or 117, or section 1591, then the term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be not more than 8 years.
(b) Subsection (a) does not apply to a party to a judicial proceeding, or that partys counsel, for statements, representations, writings or documents submitted by such party or counsel to a judge or magistrate in that proceeding.
(c) With respect to any matter within the jurisdiction of the legislative branch, subsection (a) shall apply only to
(1) administrative matters, including a claim for payment, a matter related to the procurement of property or services, personnel or employment practices, or support services, or a document required by law, rule, or regulation to be submitted to the Congress or any office or officer within the legislative branch; or
(2) any investigation or review, conducted pursuant to the authority of any committee, subcommittee, commission or office of the Congress, consistent with applicable rules of the House or Senate.
Remember, Scooter Libby was convicted of lying to FBI agents. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17479718/ns/politics/t/jurors-convict-libby-four-five-charges/
Libby was convicted of one count of obstruction, two counts of perjury and one count of lying to the FBI about how he learned Plames identity and whom he told. Prosecutors said he learned about Plame from Cheney and others, discussed her name with reporters and, fearing prosecution, made up a story to make those discussions seem innocuous.
The statements made Mayor Zimmer would carry the same penalty if she is found to have lied to the US Attorney
enough
(13,259 posts)you have described very accurately and clearly the way politics works under whatever local rock one happens to turn over. Great post, thanks.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,120 posts)Our city council was taken over by tea party types. There are 5 people on the council. All Republicans, but only the 2 tea party guys dragged a party insider along and are driving the policy to shrink the public work force and push development projects. The concerns of the city's residents don't matter to them. They got into the business of politics to promote themselves and their construction projects. Everything else is vilified - from education, to police, to local ordinances, parks and recreation, and the infamous pensions and debts. They're even suing our police department using a top priced GOP law firm in the process - Jones Day.
I'm hoping something can be learned from the New Jersey experience to help us vote out our disastrous council majority.
Laxman
(2,419 posts)of 90% of the incidences of public corruption. Probably more when you factor in the element of "soft corruption"-that is undue influence and improper access that doesn't involve a quid pro quo. NJ isn't all that unique. We just lay a lot of this out for the world to see. Its actually a result of the very strong ethics and public corruption laws that exist here. (don't laugh) The problem really is as Enough stated above that this is "the way politics works under whatever local rock one happens to turn over".
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I think information will end up revealing that Christie was ordering the whole thing. He's in for a rocky four years.
George II
(67,782 posts)Laxman
(2,419 posts)Laxman
(2,419 posts)If you had the opportunity to see Up with Steve Kornacki this morning, you saw some e-mails about the Rockefeller Hoboken project. That was a good example of the process and the government's reaction to the efforts of the developer and their attorneys. Dennis Toth is the heavy hitter from Wolff & Samson on redevelopment projects. I had been waiting for his name to surface. You can see that he lined up meetings with the NJ DEP and the governor's office and that the state had decided to expedite the process for Rockefeller.
The meeting that was supposed to be about flooding in Hoboken. It was hijacked, not by Wolff & Samson, but by the state, trying to do the dirty work for Wolff & Samson. Again, if you understand how they work, you understand that Dawn Zimmer is telling the truth.
Laxman
(2,419 posts)for consideration in light of what has been revealed in the last couple of weeks.
calimary
(81,267 posts)Really appreciate the explanation, although you certainly didn't have to prove this to me. I'm sufficiently convinced she's telling the truth. From your first point. What does she have to gain by lying? Especially if she can be found untruthful, she goes into deep doodoo. And her sticking her neck out like this - undoubtedly knowing how hardball christie and his cohorts play the game, she's already putting herself at risk. These people are vindictive. I'd bet that whenever this whole sordid business is over with, whatever the outcome, she's STILL at risk. They will try to get revenge. That, too, is how they do business. After all, part of their illusion of power is how rough it can be on you if you don't play ball with them - and the consequences and difficulties you'll face. I'd suspect that'd be enough motivation for some of the weaker targets to try to cave and "play nice." Wonder which "traffic study" might be coming down the pike with her city's name on it?