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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 01:02 PM Jan 2014

Police Chief Accidentally Shoots Himself for the Second Time

A police chief accidentally shot himself in the leg at a gun store on Saturday. Somewhat amazingly, this is the second time the chief has suffered an inadvertent self-inflicted gunshot wound; 15 years ago he shot himself in the hand while cleaning his service weapon.

Connersville, Indiana police chief David Counceller's most recent self-inflicted wound occurred when his sweatshirt jammed against his 40-caliber Glock's trigger as he attempted to holster the weapon. He was examining a new Glock at a gun shop at the time.

"It got tangled in my clothing," Counceller said of his gun, according to the Indy Star. "I was wearing a sweatshirt and a fleece jacket. I felt (the gun) go in the holster and I pushed it, but it was tangled in the material which caused it to discharge. The bullet went into my leg and then into the floor."

Counceller's injury was minor and he was able to drive himself to the hospital, where he said nurses laughed at him when he said he'd shot himself.

http://gawker.com/police-chief-accidentally-shoots-himself-for-the-second-1505683172

Line up gun nuts, to tell us that only amateurs do dumb things with guns.

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Police Chief Accidentally Shoots Himself for the Second Time (Original Post) onehandle Jan 2014 OP
Can't we get him a magnum 45? rock Jan 2014 #1
Confidence. It's what you carry. GreatCaesarsGhost Jan 2014 #2
He keeps that up, Spirochete Jan 2014 #3
+1 warrant46 Jan 2014 #6
YAY! vlakitti Jan 2014 #14
Barney knew to keep the bullet in his pocket. Savannahmann Jan 2014 #38
The fact is that the Glock safety is located on top of the trigger. ... spin Jan 2014 #4
It's a poor craftsman who blames his tools. nt onehandle Jan 2014 #7
True. A good craftsman picks the best and most reliable tool he can for a job. ... spin Jan 2014 #8
A Glock only goes off if you pull the trigger. That's not an "accident". Larsonb Jan 2014 #9
Apparently the cop didn't put his "booger hook" on the "bang switch." ... spin Jan 2014 #24
I love the former executive's statement.. louis-t Jan 2014 #36
Glock (im)perfection! Adrahil Jan 2014 #5
Sorry... had to... stevenleser Jan 2014 #10
OMFG.......that might be the single funniest thing posted on DU...ever. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #13
I really laughed heartily on this one, thanks heaven05 Jan 2014 #15
omg, bwahahahahahaha uppityperson Jan 2014 #17
For the win! 1000words Jan 2014 #20
... treestar Jan 2014 #23
Every gun owner needs to watch this video. Note I have been shooting handguns for over 45 years. spin Jan 2014 #33
Good one, "firearms are dangerous". louis-t Jan 2014 #37
No need to be... 3catwoman3 Jan 2014 #42
I don't know what I was expecting, but that was the best thing ever. Orrex Jan 2014 #45
Perfect In_The_Wind Jan 2014 #46
"nurses laughed at him when he said he'd shot himself" csziggy Jan 2014 #11
ER nurses are the best. Good for them. yellowcanine Jan 2014 #32
So now they'll take his gun right? Oakenshield Jan 2014 #12
Darwin Award anyone? sked14 Jan 2014 #16
Darwin award requires removal from the gene pool though. Could happen. uppityperson Jan 2014 #18
Let me rephrase that, sked14 Jan 2014 #26
Darwin Award honorable mention Savannahmann Jan 2014 #40
whoops davidthegnome Jan 2014 #19
If at first you don't succeed........................... dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #21
he puts Barney Fife to shame CatWoman Jan 2014 #22
"One bullet for his pistol, had to keep it in his pocket" MyNameGoesHere Jan 2014 #27
Is it standard practice to have a round in the chamber while shopping at a gun store? Orrex Jan 2014 #25
That was my first thought, too. I don't recall ever having a loaded weapon in a gun store. The one I okaawhatever Jan 2014 #41
I'm trying to decipher that... sarisataka Jan 2014 #44
if only the floor was armed, too! ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2014 #28
can we please tke the gun away from chief wiggums leftyohiolib Jan 2014 #29
Next time, finish the job, fuckhead. Aristus Jan 2014 #30
Third time's the charm. n/t ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #31
Time for him to take a desk job Renew Deal Jan 2014 #34
Here he is at the firing range. Practicing Rule #5. bearssoapbox Jan 2014 #35
Would this be the cop in question? Savannahmann Jan 2014 #39
No: Old white guy. rgbecker Jan 2014 #43
 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
38. Barney knew to keep the bullet in his pocket.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 04:17 PM
Jan 2014

It's a shame the Police Chief here didn't learn that lesson.

spin

(17,493 posts)
4. The fact is that the Glock safety is located on top of the trigger. ...
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 01:43 PM
Jan 2014

This design can and does occasionally cause accidental discharges.

Glock Pistol Used by Police Raised Safety Issues
By Paul Barrett andBrian Grow September 09, 2009

***snip***

Safety has long been a point of contention for Glock of Austria. Unlike most handguns, which have external on-off safeties, Glock pistols are equipped with internal mechanisms that prevent firing. These internal safeties are disengaged merely by depressing the trigger. The ability to fire immediately, without worrying about an external safety, is one feature Glock has stressed as an advantage when selling its guns, especially to police departments.

Skeptics see this feature in a different light. The Consumer Federation of America has cited the Glock's design as one reason the gun has been the subject of dozens of lawsuits filed after unintentional shootings, including a number by police officers. The company has won or confidentially settled most of these cases without acknowledging any liability.

Paul F. Jannuzzo, Glock's former top executive in the U.S., says in an interview that, overall, the company's pistols are as safe as comparable handguns—and more durable. "The one problem," he says, "was [the Glock] would go off sometimes when it wasn't supposed to."
http://www.businessweek.com/stories/2009-09-09/glock-pistol-used-by-police-raised-safety-issues


spin

(17,493 posts)
8. True. A good craftsman picks the best and most reliable tool he can for a job. ...
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 02:31 PM
Jan 2014

That's why I don't own a Glock pistol.

For target work I own a Colt .45 National Match Gold Cup which is FAR more accurate than the best Glock.

For home defense and legal carry I favor a S&W double action revolvers with a heavy trigger pull as they are extremely reliable and uncomplicated to use in an emergency.

spin

(17,493 posts)
24. Apparently the cop didn't put his "booger hook" on the "bang switch." ...
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 03:23 PM
Jan 2014

It got tangled in my clothing," Counceller said of his gun, according to the Indy Star. "I was wearing a sweatshirt and a fleece jacket. I felt (the gun) go in the holster and I pushed it, but it was tangled in the material which caused it to discharge. The bullet went into my leg and then into the floor."


Often Glock owners swap out the standard trigger for a much lighter target trigger. Target triggers are for target shooting, not home defense or legal carry. I have no idea what trigger was installed in the cop's weapon but merely wish to warn Glock owners.

Trigger Pull Weight for a Handgun

***snip***

>As a general rule a serious use pistol should have a trigger no lighter than 4 pounds and ideally no more than 6 pounds. Average shooters will generally shoot a pistol with the same trigger pull weight from shot to shot better than a double action/single action pistol that has a long and relatively heavy first trigger pull followed by lighter and shorter trigger pull for each following shot. A perfect example would be a Glock 17 with a factory stock trigger that weighs approx 5 pounds and is the same for each shot vs a Beretta M9 with a double action first trigger pull of approx 13 lbs and a 5 lb single action trigger for each shot after. Although DA/SA guns can be mastered the average shooter will definately shoot a pistol like a Glock better than a Beretta.

In addition a trigger below 4 lbs can easily lead to accidental discharges under conditions of stress. Remember fine motor skills degrade rapidly and not only does the shooters ability to shoot accurately suffer but because of this a 4 lb trigger will feel like a 2 lb trigger when you are truly in fear for your life. Add into this sweaty hands, rain and/or cold, and possibly gloves and you begin to see why finely tuned match triggers of 3 lbs or less have no place on a serious fighting tool.
http://vickerstactical.com/tactical-tips/trigger-pull-weight/


I have a concealed weapons permit and carry on a regular basis.

First I insure that I have a quality holster that fits my handgun. I try inserting the unloaded handgun into the holster a number of times to insure that there are no problems.

When I decide to carry a loaded pistol, I first insert it into the holster and then put the holster and weapon on my belt or slide both into my pants pocket. The weapon stays in the holster until I return home and place it back into the safe. I don't play with or fondle it while I am carrying. Nor do I try to remove it and leave it in my car when I go into a grocery store or a restaurant. Pulling your handgun out of its holster in a car requires several awkward movements as does placing the weapon back in its holster. Plus, it is not wise to leave a handgun in a car as it or the car may be stolen.

A wise individual once told me that there are only two types of shooters, those who have had an accidental discharge and those who will. I am doing my best to never have one and that means I can't allow the fact that I have handled firearms for over 45 years to allow me to become overconfident.

louis-t

(23,295 posts)
36. I love the former executive's statement..
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 04:15 PM
Jan 2014

that the guns are safe except when they go off when they're not supposed to.

spin

(17,493 posts)
33. Every gun owner needs to watch this video. Note I have been shooting handguns for over 45 years.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 03:47 PM
Jan 2014

It may be hilarious for a strong gun control advocate to watch an experienced gun owner shoot himself but the video has a good lesson for all gun owners.

Firearms are extremely dangerous! Never allow the fact that you have been shooting for a long time convince you that you can casually handle a firearm without endangering yourself or those around you. Experience often leads to overconfidence.

The shooter made a follow up video which is worth watching:

3catwoman3

(23,987 posts)
42. No need to be...
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 05:28 PM
Jan 2014

...sorry. This is one of the all time funniest videos ever. I have seen it before here on DU, and begin laughing in anticipation before I even hit play.

Oakenshield

(614 posts)
12. So now they'll take his gun right?
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 02:46 PM
Jan 2014

Police chief or not, if you shoot yourself twice...you really have no business handling one. Even if there isn't some kind of formal hearing, you'd think the man himself might take a hint. But who knows, third time's the charm?

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
21. If at first you don't succeed...........................
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 03:15 PM
Jan 2014

Third time lucky - maybe he'll hit his foot then.

Orrex

(63,212 posts)
25. Is it standard practice to have a round in the chamber while shopping at a gun store?
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 03:24 PM
Jan 2014

That seems like a bad idea IMO.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
41. That was my first thought, too. I don't recall ever having a loaded weapon in a gun store. The one I
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 04:30 PM
Jan 2014

used to go to w/my boyfriend had a shooting range on premises and you couldn't load until you got into the range area.

sarisataka

(18,655 posts)
44. I'm trying to decipher that...
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 06:37 PM
Jan 2014

how the gun he was examining caused his sweatshirt to grab the trigger... where did the cartridge come from

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
28. if only the floor was armed, too!
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 03:32 PM
Jan 2014

then it could have shot the bullet from his gun just before his bullet hit his leg. We need more armed flooring!

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