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A police chief accidentally shot himself in the leg at a gun store on Saturday. Somewhat amazingly, this is the second time the chief has suffered an inadvertent self-inflicted gunshot wound; 15 years ago he shot himself in the hand while cleaning his service weapon.
Connersville, Indiana police chief David Counceller's most recent self-inflicted wound occurred when his sweatshirt jammed against his 40-caliber Glock's trigger as he attempted to holster the weapon. He was examining a new Glock at a gun shop at the time.
"It got tangled in my clothing," Counceller said of his gun, according to the Indy Star. "I was wearing a sweatshirt and a fleece jacket. I felt (the gun) go in the holster and I pushed it, but it was tangled in the material which caused it to discharge. The bullet went into my leg and then into the floor."
Counceller's injury was minor and he was able to drive himself to the hospital, where he said nurses laughed at him when he said he'd shot himself.
http://gawker.com/police-chief-accidentally-shoots-himself-for-the-second-1505683172
Line up gun nuts, to tell us that only amateurs do dumb things with guns.
rock
(13,218 posts)!
GreatCaesarsGhost
(8,584 posts)Well, that's what the Glock ads on DU say.
Spirochete
(5,264 posts)Andy's going to have to take his bullet away...
Funny.
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)It's a shame the Police Chief here didn't learn that lesson.
spin
(17,493 posts)This design can and does occasionally cause accidental discharges.
Glock Pistol Used by Police Raised Safety Issues
By Paul Barrett andBrian Grow September 09, 2009
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Safety has long been a point of contention for Glock of Austria. Unlike most handguns, which have external on-off safeties, Glock pistols are equipped with internal mechanisms that prevent firing. These internal safeties are disengaged merely by depressing the trigger. The ability to fire immediately, without worrying about an external safety, is one feature Glock has stressed as an advantage when selling its guns, especially to police departments.
Skeptics see this feature in a different light. The Consumer Federation of America has cited the Glock's design as one reason the gun has been the subject of dozens of lawsuits filed after unintentional shootings, including a number by police officers. The company has won or confidentially settled most of these cases without acknowledging any liability.
Paul F. Jannuzzo, Glock's former top executive in the U.S., says in an interview that, overall, the company's pistols are as safe as comparable handgunsand more durable. "The one problem," he says, "was [the Glock] would go off sometimes when it wasn't supposed to."
http://www.businessweek.com/stories/2009-09-09/glock-pistol-used-by-police-raised-safety-issues
onehandle
(51,122 posts)spin
(17,493 posts)That's why I don't own a Glock pistol.
For target work I own a Colt .45 National Match Gold Cup which is FAR more accurate than the best Glock.
For home defense and legal carry I favor a S&W double action revolvers with a heavy trigger pull as they are extremely reliable and uncomplicated to use in an emergency.
Larsonb
(40 posts)spin
(17,493 posts)
It got tangled in my clothing," Counceller said of his gun, according to the Indy Star. "I was wearing a sweatshirt and a fleece jacket. I felt (the gun) go in the holster and I pushed it, but it was tangled in the material which caused it to discharge. The bullet went into my leg and then into the floor."
Often Glock owners swap out the standard trigger for a much lighter target trigger. Target triggers are for target shooting, not home defense or legal carry. I have no idea what trigger was installed in the cop's weapon but merely wish to warn Glock owners.
Trigger Pull Weight for a Handgun
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>As a general rule a serious use pistol should have a trigger no lighter than 4 pounds and ideally no more than 6 pounds. Average shooters will generally shoot a pistol with the same trigger pull weight from shot to shot better than a double action/single action pistol that has a long and relatively heavy first trigger pull followed by lighter and shorter trigger pull for each following shot. A perfect example would be a Glock 17 with a factory stock trigger that weighs approx 5 pounds and is the same for each shot vs a Beretta M9 with a double action first trigger pull of approx 13 lbs and a 5 lb single action trigger for each shot after. Although DA/SA guns can be mastered the average shooter will definately shoot a pistol like a Glock better than a Beretta.
In addition a trigger below 4 lbs can easily lead to accidental discharges under conditions of stress. Remember fine motor skills degrade rapidly and not only does the shooters ability to shoot accurately suffer but because of this a 4 lb trigger will feel like a 2 lb trigger when you are truly in fear for your life. Add into this sweaty hands, rain and/or cold, and possibly gloves and you begin to see why finely tuned match triggers of 3 lbs or less have no place on a serious fighting tool.
http://vickerstactical.com/tactical-tips/trigger-pull-weight/
I have a concealed weapons permit and carry on a regular basis.
First I insure that I have a quality holster that fits my handgun. I try inserting the unloaded handgun into the holster a number of times to insure that there are no problems.
When I decide to carry a loaded pistol, I first insert it into the holster and then put the holster and weapon on my belt or slide both into my pants pocket. The weapon stays in the holster until I return home and place it back into the safe. I don't play with or fondle it while I am carrying. Nor do I try to remove it and leave it in my car when I go into a grocery store or a restaurant. Pulling your handgun out of its holster in a car requires several awkward movements as does placing the weapon back in its holster. Plus, it is not wise to leave a handgun in a car as it or the car may be stolen.
A wise individual once told me that there are only two types of shooters, those who have had an accidental discharge and those who will. I am doing my best to never have one and that means I can't allow the fact that I have handled firearms for over 45 years to allow me to become overconfident.
louis-t
(23,295 posts)that the guns are safe except when they go off when they're not supposed to.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Oh yeah, and shitty gun handling too.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)1000words
(7,051 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)spin
(17,493 posts)It may be hilarious for a strong gun control advocate to watch an experienced gun owner shoot himself but the video has a good lesson for all gun owners.
Firearms are extremely dangerous! Never allow the fact that you have been shooting for a long time convince you that you can casually handle a firearm without endangering yourself or those around you. Experience often leads to overconfidence.
The shooter made a follow up video which is worth watching:
louis-t
(23,295 posts)Who knew?
3catwoman3
(23,987 posts)...sorry. This is one of the all time funniest videos ever. I have seen it before here on DU, and begin laughing in anticipation before I even hit play.
Orrex
(63,212 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Thanks for the post ...
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Everybody else is laughing at him, too!
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Oakenshield
(614 posts)Police chief or not, if you shoot yourself twice...you really have no business handling one. Even if there isn't some kind of formal hearing, you'd think the man himself might take a hint. But who knows, third time's the charm?
sked14
(579 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)sked14
(579 posts)future prime candidate for the Darwin Award.
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)That would be the category of this particular individual.
http://www.darwinawards.com/stupid/
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)I just fucking shot myself
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Third time lucky - maybe he'll hit his foot then.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)Love that episode.
Orrex
(63,212 posts)That seems like a bad idea IMO.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)used to go to w/my boyfriend had a shooting range on premises and you couldn't load until you got into the range area.
sarisataka
(18,655 posts)how the gun he was examining caused his sweatshirt to grab the trigger... where did the cartridge come from
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)then it could have shot the bullet from his gun just before his bullet hit his leg. We need more armed flooring!
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)Aristus
(66,369 posts)And don't take anybody with you...
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Renew Deal
(81,859 posts)With no access to weapons of any sort
bearssoapbox
(1,408 posts)Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)rgbecker
(4,831 posts)This is from the day before.
Meeting about healthcare at a restuarant. Glad he didn't get anybody there.