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ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 03:39 PM Jan 2014

Oh. My. God. I hope the climate change deniers are right re: g/w is cyclic - after seeing this...

The link to the video below was posted to Youtube 30 minutes ago and tells a very frightening story. And what's freaking me out is that the closer that video gets to 2013, the faster the warming gets. So, unless this is a peaking cycle, as g/w deniers would have us believe, it portends a very rough future for inhabitants of this planet.



From Space.com: Since 1950, average temperatures have increased 1.1°F to an average of 58.3° in 2013. Increase in greenhouse gas levels continue to drive the temperature increase.

http://www.space.com/24351-60-year-global-temperature-visualization-is-distressing-video.html
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Oh. My. God. I hope the climate change deniers are right re: g/w is cyclic - after seeing this... (Original Post) ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 OP
"future for inhabitants of this planet" progressoid Jan 2014 #1
Probably. But, who knows, we might be sealing the fate of even those vile creatures... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #2
Its raining and 45 degrees in Alaska. Kiss your ass goodbye. roguevalley Jan 2014 #18
It was 66 here a couple days ago. progressoid Jan 2014 #23
Our one snow end of nov is gone marlakay Jan 2014 #45
You know, we get these warming things sometimes, Blue_In_AK Jan 2014 #26
and Cher. Boudica the Lyoness Jan 2014 #34
Our sepecies might survive, but modern life as we have known it probably will not. skip fox Jan 2014 #3
+1 villager Jan 2014 #6
+1000 Duppers Jan 2014 #13
All we have to do is last until the development of foglets. TampaAnimusVortex Jan 2014 #15
ridiculous marions ghost Jan 2014 #20
Roger that Lord Kelvin! TampaAnimusVortex Jan 2014 #24
Some better ideas: marions ghost Jan 2014 #33
Not better... implicitly contain within what I said. TampaAnimusVortex Jan 2014 #35
Let me get you started on the public health debate about unregulated nanotechnology: marions ghost Jan 2014 #36
That wasn't relevant really... TampaAnimusVortex Jan 2014 #37
It's generally unregulated marions ghost Jan 2014 #38
You don't have a choice... TampaAnimusVortex Jan 2014 #40
Excuse me while I marions ghost Jan 2014 #41
Like I said - Lord Kelvin made similar mistakes. TampaAnimusVortex Jan 2014 #44
Sigh Viking12 Jan 2014 #22
One good pic deserves another... TampaAnimusVortex Jan 2014 #25
Clever. flying rabbit Jan 2014 #28
So, all we have to do to save the planet NickB79 Jan 2014 #39
Ditto marions ghost Jan 2014 #21
Sorry, greenman3610 Jan 2014 #4
We will not stop until we're made to stop by however this all plays out. It's just a matter of time. ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #5
We won't - denial is kind of like Silly Putty . . . . hatrack Jan 2014 #42
Species Suicide - can we stop? Avalux Jan 2014 #7
Not when so many people care more about abstractions that we've made up (i.e., economy, money, etc.) deutsey Jan 2014 #43
Could be both a cycle and pushed further by human activity. ZombieHorde Jan 2014 #8
That makes sense to me, TBH. AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #17
I'm no scientist, but those "red" spots are in odd places. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2014 #9
Looks like a 'temperature change' map to me. laundry_queen Jan 2014 #12
KWIM? SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2014 #16
KWIM is Know what I mean? laundry_queen Jan 2014 #31
Thanks for the link. The climatoligist was not all that concerned. Very odd. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2014 #32
The climate deniers swilton Jan 2014 #10
A nightmare. davidthegnome Jan 2014 #11
K & R Duppers Jan 2014 #14
scary marions ghost Jan 2014 #19
fever fights infection nt tiny elvis Jan 2014 #27
Whoa dude... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #29
are you going to be a good bug or a bad bug? tiny elvis Jan 2014 #30

marlakay

(11,468 posts)
45. Our one snow end of nov is gone
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 12:37 PM
Jan 2014

I live in mountain area in wa state, every winter we have snow till March. None in dec & January unheard of....this is in town that normally has cross country skiing and sleigh rides all winter...not this year!

People who have lived here for 60 yrs have said this has never happened once! Scary...especially for summer fires.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
26. You know, we get these warming things sometimes,
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 11:21 PM
Jan 2014

but this one is weird because it's lasted so long. I've forgotten when it was cold.

skip fox

(19,359 posts)
3. Our sepecies might survive, but modern life as we have known it probably will not.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 04:07 PM
Jan 2014

THIS is the major issue of our time. Not racism, not war, not income inequality. All these are terrible, but everything pales in comparison to the 6th major extinction even we have ushered in and are currently driving.

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
15. All we have to do is last until the development of foglets.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 06:25 PM
Jan 2014

Google up "nanotechnology climate" and you'll see it IS the solution and it IS coming. The only question is when... the optimistic predict less than 20 years for true "Von Neumann replicators" where others predict on out past 50 years. I haven't heard anyone predict that it would take longer than 100 years.







TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
24. Roger that Lord Kelvin!
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 10:49 PM
Jan 2014

And that heavier than air flight thing will never work also!

Don't feel bad though... Your ignorance of the status and progress of nanotechnology is fairly typical of the masses.
Luckily technological progress doesn't depend on your awareness or approval.


TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
35. Not better... implicitly contain within what I said.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:05 PM
Jan 2014

Anyone with a modicum of knowledge about nanotech would understand how its development furthered every single suggestion listed on that page. One really shouldn't speak on a topic that one has no knowledge of.

Let me get you started here:

http://www.nano.org.uk/books.php

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
36. Let me get you started on the public health debate about unregulated nanotechnology:
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:24 PM
Jan 2014
http://investigativereportingworkshop.org/investigations/nanotechnology-harmful-or-benign/story/nanotech-health-safety/

Excerpt:

"Interviews with researchers and regulators show that answers to these health and safety questions are not likely to come anytime soon. That’s a troubling prospect for many public health officials, who question the wisdom of allowing businesses to market these nanomaterials without first requiring proof that they do no harm. But nanomaterials are now either produced or used by many, if not most, of the nation’s largest businesses to make some of their products. These companies have used their lobbying clout not only to beat back efforts to regulate nanomaterials, but also to counter attempts by government agencies to find out what, exactly, is being used. Federal efforts to get a handle on the safety and health risks posed by nanoparticles have also been hampered by disagreement over how to test them; which ones to test first; and a federal mandate that places developing a robust nanotechnology industry over ensuring public safety.

“It’s complex,” said Andrew Maynard, director of the University of Michigan Risk Science Center and an expert in emerging technologies. “We’ve done an awful lot of research over the last few years. We’ve made some breakthroughs, but we are still struggling to get our hands around what makes nanomaterials harmful and how to make them safe.”

–Andrew Maynard
University of Michigan
Risk Science Center

"The difficulty is exacerbated by the sheer number of nano-sized chemicals. There are thousands of types, each with myriad applications. Nano-silver, for example, can be embedded in children’s toys, textiles, crops and appliances to kill harmful microorganisms, or it can be used as a disinfectant spray. Nanoscale titanium dioxide is used as a pigment in sunscreens, and in white powdered-sugar frostings, as well as for water treatment and other uses. The strength and heat-conducting qualities of carbon nanotubes make them valuable when rolled up as tiny pipes and used in computer screens or as bone replacement and for strengthening materials from tennis rackets to airplanes.

J. Clarence Davies, who helped create the EPA and wrote the Toxic Substances Control Act of 1976, has long sounded the alarm on nanotechnology. “The gap between the problems that exist and the problems that government actually can identify is growing,” Davies said. “On nano, the rate of innovation is extraordinary, at both the basic science level and the applied incorporation in products level. Industry is saying ‘don’t’ regulate us,” and Congress is anti-regulatory."


"The risk from nanotechnology has become a sensitive topic. In 2011, the EPA’s inspector general drafted a report entitled, “EPA Cannot Effectively Assess or Manage Nanomaterial Risk.” Records show that after a high-ranking EPA official objected to the wording, the watchdog agency changed the name of the report. It was released in late December 2011 as the less alarming, “EPA Needs to Manage Nanomaterial Risks More Effectively.” The substance of the report was much the same. The report noted, “We found that EPA does not currently have sufficient information or processes to effectively manage the human health and environmental risks of nanomaterials. EPA has the statutory authority to regulate nanomaterials but currently lacks the environmental and human health exposure and toxicological data to do so effectively.”

The study also reported that the EPA’s efforts are hampered by reliance on industry-submitted data and said that its voluntary program, in which businesses were asked to provide data on their nanomaterials, was a flop. Few businesses cooperated. The IG also recommended that the EPA promote public awareness about nanomaterials. “The agency as a whole should provide for a more transparent overall message [about nanomaterials], and it could better use its website to do so.” The watchdogs wrote that the EPA should “keep American people well informed on “nanomaterials“ benefits, and risks, exposures and EPA’s regulatory approach.”


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The writer:

Sheila Kaplan is a regular contributor to the Investigative Reporting Workshop’s health and environmental coverage, including our Toxic Influence series and a report on Toxic Taps around the country.

She is also a Lab Fellow with the Edmond J. Safra Center for Ethics at Harvard University and a prize-winning investigative reporter. She is a former lecturer at the University of California, Berkeley Graduate School of Journalism, specializing in the intersection of politics, money and public health. Her work has appeared in The Washington Post, msnbc.com. Discover magazine, The Nation, The New Republic, Salon and U.S. News & World Report.

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
37. That wasn't relevant really...
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 10:16 PM
Jan 2014

You used the word "unregulated" which I never used. Could you clarify if your attempting to use a stawman or are simply failing at reading comprehension?

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
40. You don't have a choice...
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 05:44 PM
Jan 2014

Nanotech IS coming... so you can work towards more regulation on development of nanotech and solve:

Climate change
All diseases and disabilities (including cancers, heart disease, genetic mutations, etc...)
Aging entirely
World hunger
Most inequality issues

or... ignore the most powerful technology in human history and let it unfold chaotically while your hoping for some other magical answer.

NickB79

(19,243 posts)
39. So, all we have to do to save the planet
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 10:25 PM
Jan 2014

Is unleash a swarm of self-replicating, uncontrollable micromachines into the atmosphere that will permeate every inch of the planet's biosphere?

Well fuck, it's so damn simple! And what could POSSIBLY go wrong with that, right?

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
42. We won't - denial is kind of like Silly Putty . . . .
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 09:56 AM
Jan 2014

No matter how big the crisis, the human ability to deny, ignore or pretend about unpleasant reality will stretch to fit.

And when it gets so bad that it can no longer be ignored by anyone, it will be:

A. Attributed to God's (or Gods') Divine Plan(s)
B. Blamed on the evil conspirators who used their prayers/ray guns/cloud injectors to ruin the planet so that they could rule the world.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
43. Not when so many people care more about abstractions that we've made up (i.e., economy, money, etc.)
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 10:05 AM
Jan 2014

than they do about actual things like a livable planet.

It's like a form of mass insanity.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
8. Could be both a cycle and pushed further by human activity.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 04:43 PM
Jan 2014

Without humans, there may have been some minor heating, such as .4 degrees, but humans pushed it further to the 1.1 number. Just wild speculation. I'm just saying the two thoughts don't contradict each other.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
17. That makes sense to me, TBH.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 08:01 PM
Jan 2014

Even though it's undeniable that certain human activities have had an effect on the climate(the overall temperature certainly has gone up.), it doesn't discount the fact that cycles still do exist: for example, El Nino & La Nina both have their own typical effects. Arctic Oscillation plays a role as well, at least in terms of N. Hemisphere weather. Even solar cycles do affect Earth's weather to a degree(coincidentally, the 1980s were a decade in which solar activity was beginning to peak, so that may have had a small effect).

(What bothers me is that the deniers continue to claim that humans have virtually *NO* effect on the climate whatsoever. How else has the ice been melting up in the Arctic?)

As for the severity of the temperature rise from 1980-95, a significant part of that seems to have been due to a large amount of decaying of sulfates from the mass switchovers away from coal that occurred in many areas of the world; were it not for that, the temperature rise wouldn't have reached ~.6*C by '95 but would have been more around .35-.4*C and we'd only be around .5-.6*C today and not .7-.8 as we are now.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
12. Looks like a 'temperature change' map to me.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 06:08 PM
Jan 2014

Where the red is the areas that have the largest rise in average temperature - not a measurement of where the hottest spots on earth are, KWIM? Which goes with theories that show the polar caps will warm more quickly than the rest of the earth.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,120 posts)
16. KWIM?
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 07:46 PM
Jan 2014

I looked again with your info that it shows the average rise in temp. I see a lot more upward activity as it approaches 2013. Particularly in Canada and Russia. I was expecting more in Africa.

In order to make an impression on deniers, this video needs a little more info about what is being recorded.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
31. KWIM is Know what I mean?
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 02:37 AM
Jan 2014

I agree it needs more of an explanation for the deniers, but it basically makes sense if you show that it is an average rise in temps. This is accurate as a very prominent Canadian climatologist recently was saying Canada, as a whole, has already increased about 2 degrees Celsius over the last 30 years, more in the Arctic. That's quite an increase in such a short amount of time.

ETA I found the interview with that climatologist - Canada has warmed up by 3-3.5 degrees Celsius over that last 60 years but has warmed by even more - up to 5 degrees - in some places. Here's the link - not sure those outside Canada can see it : http://www.canada.com/onlinetv/news/mansbridge-one-on-one/video.html

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,120 posts)
32. Thanks for the link. The climatoligist was not all that concerned. Very odd.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 04:04 AM
Jan 2014

Tonight Charlie Rose (friend of the 1%) actually asked Bill Gates about "climate concerns" when discussing Africa and China. I think he probably wish he hadn't brought it up. He must have forgot for a moment that his sponsors pay people to deny it's existence.

 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
10. The climate deniers
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 05:43 PM
Jan 2014

have been around as long as the international panel to study climate change began publishing studies. The first UN summit to address the climate was in Rio '92 and HW Bush proclaimed at that time that 'more studies needed to be accomplished before 'we' (the Western World, and especially the US) would take action. Furthermore he proudly proclaimed that the (fossil-fuel-consumerist-over consumption driven) American way of life (Awol to some) was non-negotiable....

The international panels predicting climate change and their published studies have been products of consensus and negotiation....It has always been the role of the US to not sign on to these studies unless the language was 'acceptable' - therefore the studies in my belief have always been weakened to the extent that they appeal to the deniers......

It is not surprising to me that the gw crisis is accelerating....beyond the so-called earlier predictions of the climate panels when the earlier predictions were forced to appeal to the lowest common denominator and make their forecasts as benign as possible....This has been ongoing for decades.

I am disappointed in the lack of political will (both main stream political parties) to do anything about this. The Copenhagen Summit was a classic example of actions by this administration to weaken any actions to reduce carbon emissions and address the challenges we face.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
11. A nightmare.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 06:00 PM
Jan 2014

I've had nightmares about the end of the world - for me, it's always meteors, or massive earth quakes or something. In my dreams, it's never the ignorance of humanity that brings about our end.

As frightening as those dreams are, I would much prefer that kind of end, to us all being wiped out due to human stupidity and greed.

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