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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPatrick Kennedy on marijuana: ‘Destroys the brain and expedites psychosis’
For a generation of liberals, legalization of marijuana has become a harmless if not inevitable issue.
Not for Patrick Kennedy. The former Rhode Island congressman and scion of the famed Democratic dynasty has taken a surprising turn to the right in this debate.
Marijuana destroys the brain and expedites psychosis, he told us Tuesday. Its just overall a very dangerous drug.
Kennedys public battles with alcohol and prescription drugs are well known. Was pot an issue for him? Hes used it but wouldnt elaborate. Still, its all part of the same conversation for him: In terms of neurobiology, theres no distinction between the quality and types of drugs that people get addicted to. Thats why they call it a gateway drug. Addiction is addiction is addiction.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/reliable-source/post/patrick-kennedy-on-marijuana-destroys-the-brain-and-expedites-psychosis/2013/01/08/795a20ae-59e3-11e2-88d0-c4cf65c3ad15_blog.html
launched Project SAM (Smart Approaches to Marijuana) to shift the debate from legalization to prevention and treatment despite what appears to be a growing social acceptance of the drug.
Former ONDCP Advisor Kevin Sabet is at it again.
Ive warned readers before about the kinder gentler drug war ideas that Sabet has been peddling. Now with much fanfare and the bi-partisan additions of conservative David Frum and liberal Patrick Kennedy, Sabet has launched Project SAM, known as Smart Approaches to Marijuana.
This is Sabets latest attempt to paint criticism of War on Drugs, which is gaining traction with the voters, as a false choice between lock em up and legalize it. It is his Goldilocks-and-the-Three-Bears triangulation of the War on Drugs as too hard, the legalization of marijuana as too soft, and the emphasis on treatment and prevention as just right.
It is, as Ethan Nadelmann of Drug Policy Alliance remarked, a strategic retreat in order to maintain the prohibition of marijuana. The racial arrest disparities, the denial of medicine to the truly ill, and the devastating consequences of a marijuana possession arrest are battles that he cannot win any more, so he cedes that territory, calling for an end to stop and frisk, restoration of civil rights for those who served marijuana sentences, and emergency approval of non-smoked marijuana medicines for the truly ill.
But Sabets SAM never addresses the root cause that leads to all of the devastating consequences in the first place: the arrest of a marijuana smoker for possession or use. Indeed, in SAMs world, pot smokers would still be arrested, but the kinder gentler drug war would mandate rehab and supervised probation for those caught with weed. If you should choose not to go to rehab or you fail a pee test, well, then, the force of law still exists to throw you in a cage.
http://www.theweedblog.com/smart-approaches-to-marijuana-would-force-all-pot-smokers-into-prehab/
vt_native
(484 posts)Lawford and Kennedy.
Of course, he didn't have anyone one to present an opposing viewpoint.
polichick
(37,152 posts)The show was ridiculous.
bobGandolf
(871 posts)expressing their viewpoint,
MindMover
(5,016 posts)how MJ has not done any harm to Bill ... but NOOOOOOOOO ... time frame and producers bullshit intent ...
B2G
(9,766 posts)MindMover
(5,016 posts)Yes, Patrick, THC is higher in the MJ today, but it can sometimes be lower .... in comparing it to something you know a little bit about ...alcohol ... there is beer with lets say 6% alcohol content, then there is wine with lets say 12% alcohol, and then there is spirits with 30+++ alcohol content ....
Now Patrick, MJ today has many different varieties and strains and levels of THC content ...
Please see this article to understand that marijuana does not always have high THC content ...
"This particular plant has 0.5 percent THC and 17 percent CBD -- or cannabidiol -- the non-psychoactive ingredient [in marijuana],
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/03/medical-marijuana-epilepsy_n_4378929.html
This is just one of the misstatements that were made in that interview ...
Alkene
(752 posts)A.K.A. Reefer Madness.
Not altogether very credible.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)I don't eat Taco Bell, but you don't see me preaching against it that it should be made illegal.
More cannabis for those who plan to use it as medicine.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023560826
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022225811
Please utilize your nearest Neil Diamond tribute band as the soundtrack for Paddy world.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)We're winning on all fronts!
reddread
(6,896 posts)and get this SOB out of there.
Nothing does more harm to the American people and the collective psyche than entrenched politicians.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)he act responsibly, he continued to sit in the Chamber strung out on hard drugs and alcohol. The fact that his wastrel is touted as anything but a shame and embarrassment to our Party is unforgiveable.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Anyone who has their DNA line MUST be worth listening to, in his opinion.
Even if all they can blabber is recovery-speak, like Al Franken's SNL character, Stuart Smalley.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)With the legalization of marijuana, and hopefully other drugs, there will be some like Kennedy who will abuse them and suffer health consequences.
It will be important to widely publicize these effects to teenagers so that they are less likely to abuse drugs.
Treatment and rehab should be available for those who don't get the message.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Sort of ironic.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Seems to have been a wide-spectrum drug abuser. I'd be really surprised if cocaine wasn't a favorite.
Cha
(297,237 posts)then found some sort of religion that hates PBO and Democracy. Another form of overdosing.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Many facets to his abuse of substances, also many years of his taking drugs while in Congress.
OutNow
(864 posts)Well, pot is actually less dangerous that alcohol. But if alcohol is legal, then pot should be legal. If Patrick Kennedy doesn't like pot then he shouldn't use it. But leave the rest of the population alone Patrick!
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I saw him on Bill Maher a year or so ago, and I couldn't believe my ears at all the foolishness coming out of his mouth.
adirondacker
(2,921 posts)full of brain dead zombies by now.
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Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)adirondacker
(2,921 posts)experience by now, for all that is ailing us. The whole debate boggles my mind.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)Every once in awhile the 'serious people' trot him out to be ridiculed by knowledgeable people.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)but it seems like it would be less of a health problem to overdo it with marijuana than with alcohol.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,292 posts)as George Carlin used to say, "Mother's milk leads to heroin."
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)But no one will die from a overdose like with alcohol, no one will ruin their liver like with alcohol, no one will become physically addicted like with alcohol.
People abuse everything. Prescription drugs, Alcohol, Food, etc.
Why throw people in jail or ruin careers over pot? So stupid.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)That's great!
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)... or reality
I miss Ted Kennedy, but I really wish these fools would STFU
Liberal Veteran
(22,239 posts)MFM008
(19,808 posts)all it does is make you tired and or hungry...and cough....
fredamae
(4,458 posts)of the Most Ill Informed people I've ever heard...they were sure glad-handing each other over a piss poor job making a case against legalizing..
Kennedys org "SAM" had Kevin Sabet before the State of Oregon Leg cmte last Fri and agrees a 50 yo Should be able to imbibe in the privacy of his own home--but should also be required to use the criminal Black Market as the sole source for accessing.
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/01/marijuana_opponent_kevin_sabet.html
But what this clip doesn't show out of his 53 min presentation is when a Senator at the end asked him to clarify Where "the 50 yo" was supposed to get it (My interpretation) - "Do you expect them to go to the Criminal market for it?" Sabet replied in the affirmative because that is a "con of prohibition". It sure seems like Sabet actually promoted crime in OR! I am unable to post the link to the video archive of the whole hearing from the State website--they may not have it up in Archives yet..but if you are interested you can try here. The hearing was in "Hearing Room F" on Friday, Jan 17th at 2pm.
http://www.oregonlegislature.gov/citizen_engagement/Pages/Legislative-Video.aspx
gerogie2
(450 posts)These control freaks just can't accept that the use of marijuana is harmless when used in moderation. Sure there are people that are going to abuse it, just like people that abuse alcohol and smoke too many cigarettes. But we don't put them in jail unless they harm someone else or are a public nuisance like drunk in public.
Do you know that there are 700,000+ marijuana possession arrests in the USA each year? If each arrests costs $1,000 for police, jail and courts that is that is a cost of about $700M. I would call that a waste of taxpayers money and the waste of police resources. IMHO YMMV!
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Welcome to DU!
It's not just a waste of money. Peoples lives are also being destroyed in the process.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)There's fairly strong evidence that marijuana can activate/aggravate problems of that sort, especially in people already susceptible to them.
I know that marijuana is practically a holy sacrament on DU, but it's *not* terribly safe, and political enthusiasm shouldn't blind us to that.
MindMover
(5,016 posts)Last edited Wed Jan 22, 2014, 02:06 AM - Edit history (1)
For the record Mr. Rankin ....
Marijuana is safer than aspirin and every other drug known to mankind .... so put that in your peace pipe and smoke it ....
If you can prove the statement above is incorrect, I would like to see the research ...
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)...psychosis or expedition of psychosis or whatever it is he is trying to say.
And either way, that's not a good enough reason to keep it illegal unless you are gonna be consistent and ban a lot of other stuff, including alcohol.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)who has devoted his life's work to the study of cannabis, and who now also works with GW Pharma in GB (who will be bringing Sativex to a drug store near you...)
anyway, Pertwee says that the risk of schizophrenia is only for those who have a family history, and therefore probability of developing a schizo-affective disorder. Harvard recently released a study noting the same, and researchers did a meta analysis of cannabis and schizophrenia and came to the same conclusion as Pertwee.
If someone has a history of schizophrenia in their family, I would recommend that they not use marijuana.
This is also a reason that underage use should be discouraged because this correlates with earlier onset of symptoms for those disposed to schizophrenia.
Some people are uncomfortable with extremely high levels of THC and need more CBD in their cannabis. If someone feels paranoid, uneasy, etc. etc...that's too much THC, generally, and someone, if they have not smoked cannabis for a while, should have a little CBD strain around to offset the discomfort.
Those who have not used cannabis in a long time should also take one puff, wait ten minutes. Or wait a little more than that. Some cannabis builds its effects, so people should not think they're buying a bag of leaves when they are buying buds that have been grown and cured to maximize the effect of THC.
On the other hand, people burn a lot less plant material now.
I think it's good to provide valid criticism about an issue - for instance, someone posted a link here to an alternative med site that said cannabis cures cancer... but that's not a valid statement at this time, tho it has shown it does shrink cancer cells in (mostly) animal studies.
TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)...it most certainly is terribly safe.
People die from alcohol poisoning. People die from prescription drug abuse. I guess now I'll list here all the people who have died from cannabis abuse...
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dionysus
(26,467 posts)whenever he's on anything. he has a family history of mental illness. (ie, he thinks the govt has spiked all the weed with nanites, which are then activated by radio to control your mind. we thought he was joking, but after a while... we realized he really wasn't. he also thinks the CIA has giant machines under the place he works... )
however, I have never seen a non inflicted person descend into psychosis from ripping bongs.
RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)and is thus the greatest threat to the system status quo. I don't know what else to think.
TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)I won't say it makes you smart (it doesn't), but it does lend a different perspective...one that isn't particularly friendly to authoritarianism.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Every sane person knows this it true. There appear to be a lot of mindless dirty druggie hippies on this board....
nyquil_man
(1,443 posts)TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)While I have no adverse effects from cannabis, whiskey makes me mean as the devil. This is shocking to those around me, as I am most certainly a loving, happy-go-lucky guy.
But no, it's the grass that's dangerous.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)In which case, we better take the laughing gas away from the dentists too, because that drug really kills people.
TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)...I'm pretty sure I'm waaay fucking smarter than Patrick Kennedy.
So put that in your pipe and smoke it....
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)in the Bills stadium, you get kicked out for smoking a cig in the stands. they even got rid of the outdoor smoking section.
however, the game is at Giants stadium, not "Mile High" (hee hee), stadium...
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Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)LordGlenconner
(1,348 posts)Smart Approaches to Marijuana.
Hmmm.
Dollars to donuts there are ties to either the alcohol industry, the tobacco industry or big pharma.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)They also say that inhaled or consumed cannabis is not medicine, that cannabis can be made into medicine by pharma.
They also recommend treatment for everyone. In their world you get arrested and go to rehab.
It seems likely they are in the pockets of the medical lobby. The org was started by a doctor.
They could also just be framed in a way to maintain the status quo.
Rex
(65,616 posts)that normal people now know that marijuana is mostly harmless. Even the POTUS said so recently. THAT causes Patrick to lose sleep at night, because HIS addiction to booze and drugs the affluent have access to, comes into question. MJ harmless? Not if we play guilt by association games.
IOW, focus on the drugs that are not personally destroying your life - to make you feel better about avoiding your own addictions.
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)Just because his last name is Kennedy doesn't mean he knows
his butt from a hole in the ground.
mainer
(12,022 posts)How much money are they getting from criminal drug gangs wanting to keep pot illegal?