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Chiquitita

(752 posts)
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 11:18 AM Jan 2014

Why can't we get rid of incompetent Arne Duncan?

Does anyone here have anything positive to say about his performance ????.... Why is Obama so blind? As the wife of a second grade teacher who busts his ass in a poverty stricken school, I can say Arne Duncan's words and ideas are seen by teachers as a destructive force, degrading them and robbing our public schools to transfer money into Pearson's coffers.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jason-stanford/arne-duncan-pearson-testing_b_4648554.html
Great quotation from the article:

"Herein lies the conflict that separates Duncan, Friedman and Pearson from parents and teachers. They think the solution is, in Duncan's words, "new and better assessments" based on the assumption standardized tests provide the best measure for whether our children are learning. Most teachers and an increasingly vocal number of parents believe that excessive testing eats up classroom time better spent writing term papers, conducting science experiments, or discussing literature."

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Why can't we get rid of incompetent Arne Duncan? (Original Post) Chiquitita Jan 2014 OP
I think Duncan is a personal friend. jwirr Jan 2014 #1
Arne and the president are basketball buddies. n/t QC Jan 2014 #2
I didn't realize that's how Obama made decisions... or maybe just this one? Chiquitita Jan 2014 #4
All presidents bring cronies with them, but most have the good sense QC Jan 2014 #34
Maybe Arne is doing the president's will. Jackpine Radical Jan 2014 #3
Is it because of some particular issue with the Chicago School District? Chiquitita Jan 2014 #5
Indeed, Rahm is destroying Chicago's public schools. Obama is terrible on education policy. But of Erose999 Jan 2014 #10
"You get what you pay for..." Jackpine Radical Jan 2014 #21
I'm trying to avoid just letting myself collapse into cynicism here Chiquitita Jan 2014 #25
"privatization racket" Enthusiast Jan 2014 #33
Bingo... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #30
Years ago, I applied to be the Head of the Department of Justice. raging moderate Jan 2014 #6
; ) But really, can't we do something to pressure to get rid of the guy? Chiquitita Jan 2014 #7
Arne isn't there for education, he's there to move public education funds into private hands. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #8
This is really a disaster. Chiquitita Jan 2014 #9
I'm a parapro in a library and we haven't had a raise in 6 years. Gov. Deal is scum and needs to go. Erose999 Jan 2014 #11
agreed! Chiquitita Jan 2014 #13
I have no idea what could be in it for anyone who claims to care about this country. The only sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #12
This Springslips Jan 2014 #35
Yes! I'm working on this locally with some teachers and students Chiquitita Jan 2014 #37
Duncan is doing what his boss wants. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #14
That's a safe assumption. polichick Jan 2014 #22
Because we re-elected his boss zipplewrath Jan 2014 #15
Same reason Alan Greenspan hung around for so long and turned out to be a POS. Rex Jan 2014 #16
You misunderstand his mission, the purpose is to privatize and corporate dominate. TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #17
I have yet to see anything positive about him. progressoid Jan 2014 #18
good question. Education will be at the top of my list when I'm picking a candidate next time. liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Chiquitita Jan 2014 #20
You're not an 11 dimension chess player, obviously. 1000words Jan 2014 #23
I used to be... Chiquitita Jan 2014 #24
because he is part of the real agenda. bbgrunt Jan 2014 #26
Well, the "real agenda" is ugly and destructive. Chiquitita Jan 2014 #27
evidently he has a pretty sweet j.. frylock Jan 2014 #28
Education is one of Obama's areas of greatest failure. Squinch Jan 2014 #29
Why was such a hack appointed to begin with? Enthusiast Jan 2014 #31
he's not incompetent, he's making money for all the right people. KG Jan 2014 #32
He's not blind. LWolf Jan 2014 #36
Have to agree with the sentiment here. Duncan is not incompetent. pa28 Jan 2014 #38

Chiquitita

(752 posts)
4. I didn't realize that's how Obama made decisions... or maybe just this one?
Reply to QC (Reply #2)
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 11:31 AM
Jan 2014

Man, it totally, totally sucks for teachers and students. There is a dismantling of education going on that is going to haunt us for years. When you break people, break communities, it takes a lot to rebuild.

QC

(26,371 posts)
34. All presidents bring cronies with them, but most have the good sense
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 10:57 AM
Jan 2014

to put those cronies in positions where they can't do much damage.

You're right about the damage Arne is doing here, but he still has the president's full confidence.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
3. Maybe Arne is doing the president's will.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 11:30 AM
Jan 2014

A whole lot of that Chicago crowd hate public schools. Rahm, for instance.

Chiquitita

(752 posts)
5. Is it because of some particular issue with the Chicago School District?
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 11:33 AM
Jan 2014

Are they applying some sort of local dynamic to the whole country?

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
10. Indeed, Rahm is destroying Chicago's public schools. Obama is terrible on education policy. But of
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 11:59 AM
Jan 2014

course the GOOP is just as bad or worse.

Its gonna take a popular uprising to get rid of these asshole "reformers" like Michelle Rhee and Arnie Duncan. None of these idiots have figured out that you get what you pay for when it comes to education. And if you keep making cuts and keep treating educatiors like second class citizens....

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
21. "You get what you pay for..."
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 03:00 PM
Jan 2014

Rahm & Arne surely know that. It only leaves the question of who's paying whom for what.

There's a helluva lot of money in the privatization racket, be it schools or prisons. If you want the best of both worlds, you just set up a pipeline from your private school to your private prison.

Chiquitita

(752 posts)
25. I'm trying to avoid just letting myself collapse into cynicism here
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 03:44 PM
Jan 2014

I recognize you're right. But I've been an activist since things have gotten really rough and I need to fight...

No one has teachers' backs -- and ultimately, most teachers can leave the profession if they must (to preserve their health and sanity). But the students my husband teaches can't leave. And we are just all supposed to throw up our hands and let the kids get chewed up and spit out by Rahm and Arne?

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
30. Bingo...
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 08:38 PM
Jan 2014

he serves at the pleasure of the president. This means what he is doing must be what the president wants.

raging moderate

(4,305 posts)
6. Years ago, I applied to be the Head of the Department of Justice.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 11:38 AM
Jan 2014

My qualifications are almost exactly analogous to Arnie's qualifications for the Head of the Department of Education.

Obviously, I should have been hired. My mother was a legal secretary, and I used to visit her workplace sometimes. Also, I studied about laws in various classes all the way through graduate school.

For some reason, the White House never replied to my application.

Chiquitita

(752 posts)
7. ; ) But really, can't we do something to pressure to get rid of the guy?
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 11:47 AM
Jan 2014

He is a HUGE FAILURE if our goal to make quality education more accessible and raise all children's educational level.

I want some of the Obama cheerleaders here to explain to me why, oh why, if education is the key to everything just and good (and it is) our President is failing us miserably here.

I got the letter on the 16th from Michelle where she says: "That's why Barack is working every single day to expand opportunities to every single young person in America. And that's why we're working to rally the country around his "North Star" goal – that by 2020, America will once again have the highest proportion of college graduates in the world."

But she doesn't mention "Teachers" in the entire text...

She says that kids suffering under poverty just need "someone to believe in them" -- come on! Teachers believe in their students every day. That's why they work 60 hours a week for low pay and no respect -- because they believe. BUT THEY GET NO SUPPORT.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
8. Arne isn't there for education, he's there to move public education funds into private hands.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 11:48 AM
Jan 2014

He knows nothing about education and since everyone knows that to be a fact, the question is 'why was he appointed to a position to oversee something he knows nothing about' and the answer is obvious. He is continuing Bush's Business model designed to move Public Funds into private hands. NCLB had nothing to do with education. We elected Democrats to fix that disaster and all we got was an enhancement of it.

Chiquitita

(752 posts)
9. This is really a disaster.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 11:51 AM
Jan 2014

I live in one of the poorest counties with the most wealth inequality in the South. We just got a race for the top grant of 51 million and Governor Deal of Georgia is going to waste it on Kindergarten assessment. The cynicism and desperation among teachers is high -- no money going into to actual teaching support. What's to be assessed if there is no time for teaching? Truly, it is driving teachers to their wits' end.

So, what's in it for Obama?

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
11. I'm a parapro in a library and we haven't had a raise in 6 years. Gov. Deal is scum and needs to go.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 12:08 PM
Jan 2014

At least the GA Dems aren't running fucking Roy Barnes again. Barnes and his double-crossing of the teachers was what gave the GOP the governors office to start with.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
12. I have no idea what could be in it for anyone who claims to care about this country. The only
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 12:23 PM
Jan 2014

way to stop it is for the people to fight hard against them. Nationwide strikes, they can't fire everyone, parents refusing to send their children to schools that are not educating them. Even if it took a year it would be worth it to defeat these thieves and crooks who are stealing this country's future.

Springslips

(533 posts)
35. This
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 11:59 AM
Jan 2014

I wish we could do it. What would it take? What kind of organizing? What the model for universal strike in education or anything? We should study this.

Chiquitita

(752 posts)
37. Yes! I'm working on this locally with some teachers and students
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 09:46 PM
Jan 2014

We should get a group together here and start some actions.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
15. Because we re-elected his boss
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 12:49 PM
Jan 2014

Simple as that. He wasn't an issue in the campaign and now Obama isn't running for anything.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
16. Same reason Alan Greenspan hung around for so long and turned out to be a POS.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 12:54 PM
Jan 2014

Administrations let worthless people keep their jobs and in some cases keep holdovers from other administrations. I think it has to do with knowing the right people, despite how incompetent someone is - doesn't seem to matter anymore.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
17. You misunderstand his mission, the purpose is to privatize and corporate dominate.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 01:12 PM
Jan 2014

How do you remove someone doing an excellent job of getting their job done when it is a job that is the express will of the boss and high on the agenda of the "stakeholder" class?

Duncan's performance is design rather than bug as far as I can tell. I despise that but what else can be case? It isn't like this wasn't the an all the way, people were calling it before the jump.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
19. good question. Education will be at the top of my list when I'm picking a candidate next time.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 01:54 PM
Jan 2014

As a mom of a special education student I am tired of this crap.

Response to Chiquitita (Original post)

Chiquitita

(752 posts)
27. Well, the "real agenda" is ugly and destructive.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 03:52 PM
Jan 2014

and it just shows that at DU there isn't enough action anymore.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
36. He's not blind.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 12:32 PM
Jan 2014

People who think he ever wanted to actually do something good for public education are blind.

I listened, and I knew in '08 that an Obama administration would not be friendly to students, to public education, or to public school teachers. Arne Duncan is still there because he's doing exactly what Obama wants him to do.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
38. Have to agree with the sentiment here. Duncan is not incompetent.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 09:54 PM
Jan 2014

His job is to privatize public education and that's exactly what he's doing.

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