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The new Romney documentary is a touching portrait of a man who thought, on election night, that he was going to win. For real.
Boo Hoo. How affecting. And supposedly a reason to think better of the man.
Wha? That is right up here with a documentary about how crestfallen George W. Bush was to find that Iraq had no WMD.
Or the film NEBRASKA, where a semi-senile Bruce Dern is told that, despite the deceptive wording of the junk mail, he didn't actually win the Publisher's Clearinghouse Sweepstakes.
Yes, it would be sad to see a movie about a mentally disabled adult finding out, late in life, that Santa Claus is not real. But if that heart-breaking footage was of someone on the verge of becoming the fucking PRESIDENT it would be more than sad. It would be terrifying.
Consider what it tells us about Romney that he thought he was going to win, and what that portended for a Romney presidency...
The only way to have thought, on election day, that Romney was going to win was to deny all of the ample rational evidence, believe in a lunatic conspiracy theory wherein the notorious communist media faked poll after poll, and credit demented wing-nut lies and fancies on freakazoid websites and in vanity propaganda rags like American Spectator and such.
To believe Mark Levin types, Dick Morris types... professional liars and loons who claim things like death panels, black helicopters and Obama being born in Kenya, in preference to all legitimate evidence.
Not putting on a brave face, but actually believing it. To be subject to total self-delusion through being cocooned with wing-nut yes-men. Men who believe that "real" science proves that global warming is a hoax, that the jury is out on evolution, that increasing wealth inequality creates jobs... who believe CRAZY THINGS that one can only believe by dismissing all rational voices as elements of a left-wing conspiracy.
It is FRIGHTENING that a man coming close to command of our armed forces actually believed, for real, in his heart, in a tabloid echo-chamber fantasy.
unblock
(52,331 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,330 posts)to do that. Nixon was a prime example, right up until they fled the sinking ship like rats.
tulsakatz
(3,122 posts)...even after Watergate he believed (or hoped) that he could still have a political career. It was delusional not uncommon for a person so involved in politics to have unrealistic beliefs...
Regarding Romney, we all knew on election night that he believed he would win, that's not a surprise. That's why it took him so long to make his concession speech because he was so sure he would win that he hadn't even written it yet!!! When you only listen to republican opinions, republican polls & believe everyone else is lying, you do become part of a warped, unrealistic reality!!
MADem
(135,425 posts)There was a ton of chow left uneaten!
He really believed that the numbers were going to turn his way--no one had the stones to tell him that the emperor had no clothes...
calimary
(81,507 posts)I watch the wives sometimes. It's very instructive. She wore, if I recall correctly, "reagan red" - the color of republi-CON royalty. Probably a designer dress with a huge price tag. On ordinary days ann always wears her hair down in a more common proletariat style. I noticed that her hair was also up in the elegant style on the night of the glittering Al Smith Dinner where all the gentlemen wore white tie and tails and the ladies were dressed for the opera. She dressed for the part she was fully expecting to begin playing: the new queen.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)upsweep for a concession speech, no???
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I think the updo was after she got the news they had lost. I think she might have had a meltdown backstage and her hair had to be redone...she looked terrible.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)like dominoes. They got the news while they were still in fancy dress. Then, she and mitt changed......he into an ill-fitting suit, out of his tux, and she, out of the ball gown into her "going away" suit. But her hair and makeup remained.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)(I am an ex hairdresser by the way) That was NOT a great updo...that was a fast fix of a screwwed up hairdo...she never wore her hair up.
MADem
(135,425 posts)She was lucky she actually had clothes on, the way they were bullshitting that pair. The emperor Mitt certainly had no political clothes in that little fiefdom!
I don't think she had a real sense of how she was coming across to the American people--when you're as rich as she is, there's No Whining Allowed about how "hard" it is to "raise five boys." You don't get a manicure like she had between scrubbing floors and doing laundry. And she did come across as a whiner--an entitled whiner, at that. Between the horsies, and the cutting edge medical procedures that weren't available to "the little people" she was just one heaping helping of "privilege, writ large." The two of them were set back on their heels at how much people didn't LIKE him.
What I found "nervy" was his attempt to use Boston and the Commonwealth of MA as his "backdrop" for glory. He bought his gubernatorial election against a weak and underfunded candidate, he shoved out all primary opposition, and he only did one term because he knew he would be thrown out on his ass because we all thought he sucked. Then he acts like he's a Son of the Bean and the Cod, when he wasn't born here, doesn't know Mendon from Medford, and couldn't find his way to western MA on a bet. He's a Grade A Phony--I'm so glad the nation saw through him!
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)The wonderful food is not to be touched by the help... 1% Rules!
MADem
(135,425 posts)Crab cakes and all kinds of poo-poos! For once, the bloated had no appetite! Backpacks full of snacks!
calimary
(81,507 posts)where one of their brethren videotaped the 47% speech!
I'm glad. I wonder if any of the campaign workers who had their credit cards canceled something like a minute after wrongney conceded and couldn't pay for cabs home or to the airport grabbed any food before they left? He sure yanked the expensive Persian rug out from under their feet rather abruptly, too. Sheesh - the least he coulda done was to cover their return home. That would have been genuinely elegant and classy and a good way to thank them for their hard work (and I'm sure they worked like dogs). Or at least a consolation prize. Shit, Diamond Jim, the least you coulda done was help them get home! But no, they were merely "the help." So they didn't merit any special consideration. It was simply expected of them, as was fitting for their lowly station in life. Showing, once again, his true regard for that 47%.
Should show the rest of us the glaring truth here: REAL class can't be bought.
MADem
(135,425 posts)VA_Jill
(9,999 posts)not stupid. Not so Romney. Romney is just not very bright.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)also paranoid... very dangerous combination!
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)he was basically gleeful all day on election day because Obama was going down up until (from his eyes) some left wing lady called Megyn Kelly announced something.. since then he's been buying guns. Because the Violence is way up in Chicago (BS) and that means the crime rate in the city next to us is going up (as of this morning 2013 that is now BS) so they'll be buying guns for no reason. hopefully I won't be a statistic when he accidentally shoots someone
But he wasn't stupid. That's the issue with Romney.
librechik
(30,676 posts)the role of President must draw the delusional types who need the attention like a drug. It's a miracle when we get a decent candidate.
swilton
(5,069 posts)I also think that it is an illusion that the person occupying the oval office is a singular entity....narcissist or not.
The one in the oval office is a figure head at bests - the puppet masters from special interests are really the ones who have the power
unblock
(52,331 posts)calimary
(81,507 posts)Who around you, knowing you sat on top of that kind of ziggurat, with the power and influence and intimidating clout that such a fortune provides, would dare tell you "no"? What would it gain them? What if, heaven forbid, he had won? Would somebody who'd told this vainglorious self-anointed emperor "no" be carried up to the White House with all his other yes-men?
Excellent post, cthulu2016. Very insightful. Many people said and wrote and blogged that "we dodged a bullet." In view of what you point out, we dodged a nuclear bomb!
Demeter
(85,373 posts)And Anonymous queered his pitch. The Republic was saved to fight another election, and all we got was this same old, same old....now, with NSA leakage to go with the drone strikes!
philly_bob
(2,419 posts)I remember it vaguely.
I always wondered why the Bush vote-fixing machine didn't work for Romney.
Links, please, someone, and thanks, Demeter, for remembering...
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,438 posts)It would have given him a few extra EVs but not the Presidency.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)They just made a big fuss about Ohio in particular, because he and several other conspirators flipped it the election before...
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,438 posts)But that point it was over for Romney. Obama had a MUCH nicer map to work with and multiple paths to an EV win. Romney had to run the tables and he didn't (and in all reality, couldn't)
spanone
(135,883 posts)lob1
(3,820 posts)nyquil_man
(1,443 posts)corkhead
(6,119 posts)There's a great cottage industry that will make you quite wealthy conning rich dumb republicons out of their money.
tulsakatz
(3,122 posts)they did spend a ton of money in that election!! And all of that money bought them absolutely nothing!!!
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)As I recall, because they did not like what the polls said, they created an alternate polling source so justify their own belief.
I think a lot of that can be blamed on racism. The could not believe a white republican could be beaten by a black Democrat.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)that they thought they had the election fixed.
I seem to remember that Anonymous claimed they stopped the "man in the middle" computer hack in Ohio...and maybe they did, and it spoiled the plan.
That would explain why Rove was upset and while he said that the system was down and they were waiting for the update that he was sure would go Rmoneys way.
mountain grammy
(26,655 posts)when Rove freaked out about Ohio. The fix was in, but it didn't work. Suppress more votes!
dflprincess
(28,082 posts)I think Anonymous did indeed "hack" the vote to keep the count honest and it came as quite a surprise to Romney, Rove and their crowd that they'd been out foxed (so to speak).
dchill
(38,545 posts)Yes. More, please.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)They would have let us know. Anonymous likes to take credit for stuff... At least IMO.
MsLeopard
(1,265 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,373 posts)They didn't have a Katherine Harris or a Kenneth Blackwell to "fix" FL and OH - at least not in 2012.
But they WILL keep trying. Because they know all too well that, without a "fix," no candidate that the Tea-Party-dominated GOP would support at the national level can win.
boguspotus
(286 posts)But even if they got Ohio, it still wouldn't have mattered. They were really, really delusional.
I can't believe any of those folks would not have paid attention to Nate Silver's blog. He was so right on in past elections and especially right about this one.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)calimary
(81,507 posts)Glad you're here! I think an answer might be that - they thought they had their OWN reality, their OWN facts. Remember that chilling statement that came out during bush/cheney?
The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore." He continued "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that realityjudiciously, as you willwe'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
Suskind, Ron (2004-10-17). Faith, Certainty and the Presidency of George W. Bush. The New York Times Magazine.
Danner, Mark (2007). "Words in a Time of War: On Rhetoric, Truth and Power". in András Szántó. What Orwell Didn't Know: Propaganda and the New Face of American Politics (First edition ed.). Philadelphia, PA: PublicAffairs Reports. pp. 17. "... the unnamed official speaking to Suskind is widely known to be none other than the self-same architect of the aircraft-carrier moment, Karl Rove ..."
All politicians operate within an Orwellian nimbus where words don't mean what they normally mean, but Rovism posits that there is no objective, verifiable reality at all. Reality is what you say it is, ...
Neal Gabler, Los Angeles Times; October 25, 2004 [4]
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Karl_Rove
So, Rule #1 is: you've ALWAYS-ALWAYS-ALWAYS got to use this filter to assess ANYTHING that this side of the aisle says. This is how they operate. It explains and flows perfectly with their strategy that - since your ideas and policies don't win votes, fix the vote so you can win anyway. Reality doesn't matter. It's what YOU SAY IT IS that matters. It's WHAT YOU CAN MAKE PEOPLE THINK that matters. That's why they went so hard and so relentlessly for broadcast deregulation back in reagan's era - to get rid of the restrictions on ownership - so these assholes and their friends could buy up all the media and then crank out the propaganda 24/7/365 to CONTROL AND MANIPULATE WHAT PEOPLE THINK AND BELIEVE. Hence the rise of Pox Noise and limbaugh and frank luntz analyzing the wording and telling them what to say and how to say it to be effective, stemming from newt gingrich's little black book of words and phrases to use to doctor the language and lay on subliminal meanings, and all those other cancers and opportunistic infections. They laid all that groundwork. And they did a very effective job.
I was up watching Steve Kornacki this morning and noting one of his panelists said it came down to two words VERY cleverly and shrewdly crafted by chris christie to kick the legs out from under this ARC tunnel. He framed it VERY effectively with two words: "Macy's basement." As in, the tunnel was supposedly just gonna dump out in Macy's basement. Trivializing it. Lending to it or artificially grafting onto it an air of bogus-ness, stupidity, foolishness, frippery - that simply must be gotten rid of. It worked. People glommed onto the "Macy's basement" commonality (hey, EVERYBODY can wrap their brains around that one. It's great mental imagery!) and then promptly rolled their eyeballs and shook their heads and immediately equated it with bad, stupid, too expensive, foolish, and undesirable.
http://www.streetsblog.org/2012/04/10/independent-federal-report-confirms-christie-lied-to-kill-arc-tunnel/
DAMMIT! We've gotta WATCH these assholes! You have to study and parse every word they utter. Every syllable. Every inflection. You have to weigh it VERY carefully. Analyze it. Read between their lines. Because that's where the true reality and their true motivations and ulterior motives are.
mdbl
(4,976 posts)but I am so exhausted from parsing their stupidity. Isn't there an easier way to make the more foolish quit believing the rich foolish?
boguspotus
(286 posts)dragonlady
(3,577 posts)The plan to build a high-speed rail connection between Milwaukee and Madison, the first leg of a route to the Twin Cities and beyond (analogous to the interstate highway project in some ways) was disparaged as the silly idea of a "choo-choo" that we didn't need. So Scott Walker cancelled the project (and apparently thought he could use the $800 million in federal money for his own highway projects, but the federal Department of Transportation didn't agree and sent it to other, more rational states).
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)malaise
(269,185 posts)obxhead
(8,434 posts)Carolina
(6,960 posts)Karl's behavior was scary to me because it demonstrated that he knew the fix was in and couldn't believe his planned vote switching via those dastardly vapor ballot machines had not worked. He just KNEW that with the voter suppression and the flipped ballots, he had it in the bag.
Karl Rove cut his political teeth under Nixon. He and all repuke operatives learned early that the way to win is to lie, cheat and steal. They were emboldened by Theft 2000 and the cheating in Ohio in 2004. 2008 was an aberration in their eyes, so they set out to"win" by any means in 2012 and were dumbfounded when they failed.
This bodes poorly for the future and in part the Dems are to blame. They rollover when in power, they have failed to correct the flaws in computer voting after 2000 (paper ballots or receipts akin to ATM transactions) and some (I don't think I need to name names) continue to try to work with these bullies.
GoCubsGo
(32,094 posts)They likely thought that all the voter ID laws, insufficient voter machines in non-republican districts, voter intimidation, etc., were going to keep people away from the voting booths.
dem in texas
(2,674 posts)Rove is no fool and for him to be so sure that Romney would win tells you that Rove was up to no good. Thank goodness his plan didn't work out.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Romney was all ready to concede based on the projections when a call came in from someone (likely Rove's gang) saying don't give up yet there was still some possibility of some votes coming in that might give Romney the win.
tulsakatz
(3,122 posts)Rove didn't even believe it when Obama won Ohio!!! It's one thing not to believe future predictions but it is even more delusional to believe you can still win even when all of the current evidence contradicts it!!
rocktivity
(44,577 posts)Last edited Sun Oct 6, 2019, 07:44 PM - Edit history (14)
As for Rove's reaction to the 2012 call of Ohio, it was either an award-worthy acting performance because he, too, realized that it was more profitable to lie to R-Money ("It's not MY fault -- THEIR numbers were wrong!"); or he really did have some kind of fix in on Ohio that was thwarted by either a computer counter-hacking and/or too much Dem voter turnout.
Better download this while you still can -- it seems to be the only full-length copy left on YouTube. (Megyn Kelly's "death march" starts about five minutes in).
rocktivity
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)how a network can call a state for a particular candidate with a relatively small percentage of the vote in, is that they simply do not understand statistical sampling. I expect all the networks have very sophisticated number-crunching going on. I've taken a couple of statistics courses, and while I'm a very long way from being any expert, it means I understand statistics and numbers far better than a lot of people, and I get this.
BlueMTexpat
(15,373 posts)(can't believe that I am actually saying that), pollsters were predicting an Al Gore win in FL (for a very brief moment, it was actually on the TV screen ... I saw it and literally screamed for joy!) and, statistically, John Kerry should have won OH.
But Rove knew better. He understands how statistics work - he just thought that he had trumped statistics (and democracy generally, btw) with his "fixes" - just as he had before.
If Rove ever passes to the Great Beyond, I hope that his special Hell there is to relive those moments on Faux Noise for all eternity, preferably with raptors gnawing constantly at his entrails. Or perhaps that is too awful a fate for the poor raptors.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Bortman33
(102 posts)The Wizard
(12,549 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)disgusting sleazy human beings or what passes as human. Rove losing was priceless. I watched that and really felt good to see that.
QuestForSense
(653 posts)They all have their heads up their asses, as do the authoritarian dunces who vote for them.
TlalocW
(15,392 posts)A guy who had been handed everything in his life without really having to work for it AND the right-wing echo chamber that he insulated himself in would tend to produce such a result. I remember state poll after state poll coming out for Obama or moving toward him in the last 3-4 weeks of the election, and it seemed like the republicans were ignoring that for "national" polls that seemed to show things were bad for Obama. The few times the pundits on FOX talked about other polls they were claiming that Romney was in the lead on them except one - Dennis Miller who said polls were showing Obama in the lead, but he didn't BELIEVE THEM.
The fallout and disbelief was just staggering... yet still delicious to witness.
TlalocW
nyquil_man
(1,443 posts)Obama had 332 electoral votes and was up by 3-4 points.
I could have taken a five month nap, right then and there, and it wouldn't have been any less accurate. That race was extremely stable.
TlalocW
(15,392 posts)Romney had a lot less avenues, and he was either behind or losing momentum in some critical states for his paths.
On the other hand, I think Rove had some tricks up his sleeve for the election, and something was SUPPOSED to have happened in Ohio, and for whatever reason, the trigger wasn't pulled - either through incompetence of conservative operatives or because the plan just couldn't work - which is why he blew a gasket when Ohio went for Obama.
TlalocW
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)did not make a difference. Obama could have lost both the fixable states (Ohio and Florida) and still have won. Obama could have lost Virginia as well.
Rove's reaction always reminded me of Mortimer Duke at the end of Trading Places
Turn those machines back on!!!!
AAO
(3,300 posts)Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)I knew Rove's meltdown reminded me of something when I saw it. It was that exact scene from that movie!
Hilarious flick. I'm going to have to rent that one again.
pink-o
(4,056 posts)You know they made Trading Places and Network with tongue firmly in cheek--and a moral certainty that such a situation was hilarious cuz it could never happen. Now we have the Dukes (The Kochs) and Faux News with Glen Beck as the Peter Finch character.
Oscar Wilde warned us over a century ago about Life imitating Art.
tulsakatz
(3,122 posts)...who claimed that all of the other polls were skewed in Obama's favor & only his poll was the correct one! But he wouldn't tell anyone how he acquired his data & ironically his poll was called something like skewed polls!
When you live in a universe where up is down, you don't believe you will crash! It's not realistic but not so hard to understand why they thought they would still win...
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Imagine Secretary of Defense John McCain.
Rozlee
(2,529 posts)Who got a little red pony every Christmas. Living one's life in a bubble of indulgence and entitlement often doesn't give one the perception to realize that the world won't bend to their every whim once they leave it.
ewagner
(18,964 posts)Not only did Romney believe with all his heart he was going to win on election night.....
he also believed (as you pointed out):
the press was/is controlled by crazy liberals who created fake polls...and only Romney and his "yes men" know/knew the truth.
the crazy-ass tea party conspiracies were/are all REAL...
that all the lies he told himself about Obama were actually TRUE....
I shudder to think how close we came to letting the delusional right wing run America.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)jmowreader
(50,563 posts)This is the story of a man who shoots messengers.
In the runup to Election Day, Fox News was the only one predicting a Romney victory right to the end. Whether they really believed he was going to win or they were doing it just so his advisors would have positive news to show him is immaterial. What is not, is his advisors were so afraid of him they only showed him Fox News.
You can understand why. Romney spent his career in business buying corporations, then restructured them by first firing everyone who worked there. He is the purest example of a sociopath there is; if an advisor would have gone to Romney and told him, "you're losing because America is scared of you" or "America thinks your policies will leave them worse off so they're voting for the other guy," Romney would have told the driver, "make like you work for Greyhound and throw him off here." (Since Romney used a plane to go from stop to stop that could have been painful.)
We didn't escape a senile or delusional man. We escaped an evil one.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)The only people who can keep working for Romney are those who will tell him what he wants to hear.
Look at how his campaign staff were treated in the end, fired on the spot and abandoned to make their way home however they could.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)quite evil and his little dog rove, too. Sorry for the paraphrase there, couldn't help it.
barbtries
(28,811 posts)i'm not sure i could stand to watch it. i did watch ron howard's nixon movie but many years had passed by then.
mountain grammy
(26,655 posts)They don't believe there is no Acorn. They were convinced Rmoney would be president and save them from the Muslim who will take their guns and force them to have abortions and pray to Allah. They think my husband and I and anyone like us are stupid with our heads in the sand and we better "wake up" soon. I'm not making this up.
Chemisse
(30,817 posts)In his last 6 months?
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)hate everyone and everything and accept and revel in the fact that they are the minions assisting in the dismantling of reason, self-worth, and of the nation while they profess to be "patriots". They are anything but patriots. Indeed, they are weak-minded cowards full of bluster who hide behind their guns and the bible and their corporate overlords.
kairos12
(12,874 posts)rustbeltvoice
(430 posts)I have read through most of this 'thread', and am very interested in it. Yes, i am one of those that has great antipathy towards Willard and his party. I recognise many of the criticisms as valid. But, your comment i find more interesting; and i wish there were threads based on it as the original post. You have described individuals that i know, "They think...anyone like us are stupid with our heads in the sand and we better "wake up" soon." And yes, "wake up" is a term and view i have encountered.
How do people believe this alternative to reality exists?? It is not just wish fulfillment. It is a mass delusion, but i think one with several nuclei.
And we have to live with these people. It is a lot worse than dealing with a rabid sports fanatic of a certain team.
Someone start a thread on this. I have tried on a few questions that i have had, and failed.
Rafale
(291 posts)You mean I'm not supposed to feel sorrow for a former hedge fund founder that helped wreck the global economy. Okay then.
Clearly that guy is trying to get back into politics with a propaganda campaign. Pathetic.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)...or tabloids, or yes-men.
He was brought up all his life to believe that he was anointed and chosen by God. Rich men are given very sepcial treatment and status all of their lives in the Mormon Church. They are taught to believe that their wealth shows God's special favor and since no door, his entire life, had ever been shut to him---he couldn't believe God didn't come through for him in the end. He had lived for over 50 years in a bubble of privilege and grandiosity.
Same with Anne. At least since she married Mitt.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)It was his destiny. And Anne believed it, as well.
Plus, I think Mittens is just a bit touched in his head.
Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)That's about all he appeared on, and no doubt listened to. That, and he probably read Jennifer Rubin in The Washington Post. Hey, he was a shoo-in, right?
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tavernier
(12,406 posts)!
defacto7
(13,485 posts)magic hat and magic underwear Mormons. He couldn't possibly be delusional.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Can I watch it via the internets?
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I've been looking for a copy. It is possible eventually it will be put out on DVD.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)So you're referring to the Netflix original documentary about him?
They don't think I'll like it, but I may well take a look.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)(the sequel to Game Change). I am reading it anyway as I think it is interesting. Since I'm overseas and Netflix isn't available here it might be awhile.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)SEE: Ronald Reagan and George W Bush
Omaha Steve
(99,737 posts)I work for the Omaha Police Dept. I deal with people all the time that have been told by relatives and friends they are being scammed. Ju8st like Dern's character they continue to be taken. It happens way to often!!!
OS
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)She said the Romney campaign was basically a outplacement firm for old school Republican consultants and hacks who knew they weren't going to fare well in the Tea Party controlled Republican Party. Romney had a billion dollars to spend and they wanted their cut.
kairos12
(12,874 posts)Skittles
(153,193 posts)that's what happens when the only news you get is from Fox News
cprise
(8,445 posts)and now its spewing Republican propaganda.
That's an example of how the corporate world can be made to bend and bend to the will of crazy people worshipping money.
The next election may be very problematic, indeed, because the corporate wagons are circling against progressives.
yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)is going all the way up!
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)I think it's a brain injury thing from that car accident in France when he was young.
Makes me wanna "Bless his heart".
6000eliot
(5,643 posts)IllinoisBirdWatcher
(2,315 posts)His elevator is a few bushels short.
Lunacee_2013
(529 posts)Mitts comes across as the type of guy who thinks everything is his to take and he deserves it too. He is the very definition of white, male privilege.
lolly
(3,248 posts)Remember when Anne said something about how the press should just shut up and be grateful that they were going to have the opportunity to have a great man like Mitt as president?
The campaign stuff was just an annoying formality, a speed bump on the way to his coronation.
And he was (still is) utterly contemptuous of his opponent.
JI7
(89,275 posts)what is crazy with their talk is that it wasn't a case of them thinking he will have some impressive ground game in florida and/or ohio and pull out a victory. close but still winning.
they thought he was going to win in a fucking landslide. they thought he was going to win pennsylvania.
they thought Obama was the WORST president EVER and thought everyone else felt the same.
Romney was a figment of the media hype and polls.
Their efforts work to depress Democratic turnout and increase Republican/RW enthusiasm. They believed this would help him over the top, higher numbers in red states and lower numbers for Obama in blue states. That is why they kept pushing the meme that Romney could win the popular vote.
Delusional all around.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)3catwoman3
(24,053 posts)...signature blocks that I so enjoy here -
"I love it when I wake up in the morning and Mitt Romney is NOT president."
pamela
(3,469 posts)It's really an incredible story and points to the vast differences between the two campaigns and candidates.
The internal polls, from both campaigns, had one very positive number for Romney in the battleground states. Although he was mostly losing, his voters were more energized about voting and therefore possibly more likely to vote. The Obama campaign saw those numbers and set about systematically reaching out to their voters to insure they got to the polls.
The Romney campaign saw those numbersand decided to change their polling method to reflect this difference in voter enthusiasm. They thought, "Well if Republicans are more enthused, and more likely to vote, we should be polling a higher percentage of Republicans." Once they did that, their internal polls started telling them what they wanted to hear-that Romney was going to win.
I really think this shows the difference, not only in the candidates but in the two parties. Democrats see things the way they are and work hard to change them. Republicans see only what they want to see and try to manipulate the public to get the response they want.
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)was romney's PCH letter only his ignored the fine print.
ecstatic
(32,733 posts)Robme stood for... I was surprised to learn that he actually was not as delusional as I thought. He was pessimistic all throughout, and knew that he couldn't escape his flip flopping image. Even after the first GE debate, he said that Obama would be far better in the final 2 debates.
He had a pretty good idea of what was going on. He gave very rational predictions and assessments, but his family /inner circle would tell him he was wrong, etc. They kept feeding him lies either to make him feel better or because they were delusional. Even when he was trying to write his concession speech, his family and friends were still feeding him lies.
What wasn't clear was whether their comments actually gave him hope, or if he just didn't want to argue with them /hurt their feelings.
Edited to add: Overall, the documentary was a poorly done waste of time. It skipped a lot of important topics, like the 2012 repug primaries, fallout from picking Ryan, the 3rd debate, etc.
PCIntern
(25,591 posts)I was going to write a post on this documentary but you did the job for me!
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)the prayer scenes were so filled with self importance, hubris and feigned humility, I literally burst out loud laughing. Especially the first one, with the long, drawn out prayer from HRH Queen Ann. I don't how any of them can keep a straight face through that.
I also felt good watching him go on about how they'd invested their own money in his brand, and he ended up branded "the flip-flopping mormon." The look on his face was priceless.
Sorry to revel in their moments of pain and suffering, but really so totally trivial compared to the pain and suffering they've imposed on how many thousands...
I did find myself wondering if Queen Ann has every actually smiled. You know, really smiled. Like with happy eyes versus the frown smile with glaring, hateful eyes? Sad, really. Poor little rich girl.
unhappycamper
(60,364 posts)Mitt "The Shit" Romney.
The a$$hole bought all the computers from his Governor's office when he left. Classy, eh?
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Because all the idiots in the republican party are true believers in this teabag insanity!
If these lunatics ever regain total political power in this country again....not only will they finish the death of the middle class rayguns started...they will light the whole damn world on fire!
The other countries in this world ought to be scared shitless over a teabag led Merrica on the march with the biggest military ever seen on this earth thinking they are God's righteous and holy instrument for cleansing the earth! The MIC wants a never-ending holy war on the world! It would be great for business and I have no doubt they are angry as hell that its not happening right now!
I guarantee if Rmoney would have won the election we would be bombing Iran 24/7 right now in preparation for the biggest land invasion since D day! Or possibly we would have just nuked Iraq first.
And we would be spending billions and billions and billions in deficit spending to do it without a peep from the reich wing hate machine that starves American kids everyday and wants to destroy Social Security and medicare because hey we don't have the money!
Hey a few hundreds of thousands of tons of radioactive dust would be floating around the earth but no biggie right? Its all a myth...like global warming...amirite?
Its all liberal lie...my Randian preacher said so at church and Fox "news"and Rush says its okay so.....
Look at sites like Right Wing Watch...these fascists are calling for a military coup all the time! Praying to God for one, they want to silence all gays, libs, democrats etc with a flag wrapped around them and carrying a Bible, you betcha!
Be very afraid.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002414194
If Mitt Romney thought he could win by running to the left of Obama, he would morph into Dennis
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125188108
The second post nailed it.
BlackM
(26 posts)...and their election night blocking of Rove's/GOP's "ORCA" system. Whatever you may think of Anonymous, it seems certain they prevented key states from having their election results parsed through a GOP controlled filter.
CrispyQ
(36,526 posts)The entire repub party is out of touch with mainstream America. It's too bad that so many in mainstream America live in the same echo chamber Romney does & don't realize it.
blue neen
(12,328 posts)The one of the Empire State Building bathed in blue light is stunning!
GoCubsGo
(32,094 posts)There were pages and pages of them, all much like the ones shown here. The Romneys weren't the only ones who were deluded. So were many of their supporters.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)on a Presidential ticket will be a clueless oaf, while any Democrat will be a ruthless corporatist. That is because progressive votes will not support an oaf who blathers like an idiot but will support a smart corporatist who talks like a populist. Wall Street favors oafs because the Republican base prefers them. They do what they're told and require only an ideological reason why. Democratic candidates, by contrast, are smarter and want to know what's actually going on and to be partners in real decision making. That makes them more difficult to manage and slightly less desirable.
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)that's the real scary part.
Z_California
(650 posts)"Yes, it would be sad to see a movie about a mentally disabled adult finding out, late in life, that Santa Claus is not real. But if that heart-breaking footage was of someone on the verge of becoming the fucking PRESIDENT it would be more than sad. It would be terrifying."
Hilarious and so true. Your writing makes me laugh and cry. Thank you.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)tblue37
(65,490 posts)whereby an LDS "messiah" would usher in theocratic governance with the LDS faithful in charge. Frankly, I don't think he really even wanted the job all that much, but he is a true believer, and if that was his destiny, he was going to step up to "serve."
Because religious faith is just that--faith, detached from, not dependent on, empirical evidence--the real world poll numbers would have seemed irrelevant, perhaps even illusions deliberately produced by the "Father of Lies" to lull the nonbelievers into foolish complacency.
I suspect that Ann did really want to be FLOTUS, which is why she was so upset, though their reported comments, in which they fretted over what would become of the country with Obama rather than Mitt in charge, do suggest that they both believed that Mitt's ascendancy to the presidency was truly necessary to save the US from some dire fate.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)with Rove believing they had Ohio and another state in their win column, believing the "fix" wopuld be successful. That is whay we say the jaw dropping of Rove when Ohio was call for Obama. Remember the Faux News scene where they questioned the Ohio results??
So yes I think he was sure he would win because of Karl Roves election thievery
KauaiK
(544 posts)which is why he thought he had the election in the bag (that and Karl Rove). Remember, the Mormon Church would allow blacks when Romney was young.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)one with a brain, the other without...hopefully, same outcome.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)area, I had no doubt that Romney would lose. There were quite a few against the president, but nobody seemed to be FOR Romney. There was a really significant lack of support for him. Some didn't even really know who he was, or know much about him beyond his being "a rich guy."
jehop61
(1,735 posts)but it was so boring, that I soon tired of it. He's a wonderful family man, but that's about it. Sorry Netflix, you didn't win with this one. Can't wait for House of Cards to begin again!
ffr
(22,672 posts)"What do you make of it Chris?" Megan
"There just aren't enough republican votes out there..." Chris
hughee99
(16,113 posts)on election day while the election was still going on... poor delusional DUers. I'm sad to see so many of us are unfit for high office.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)I recognize that you want to be snarky and superior on the internet, but your message is just gibberish and makes you look silly, not superior at all.
In grasping to appear superior you have exposed a personal inability to differentiate concepts like, "certain of victory," and, "uncertain of the outcome."
Not the same concept. Not even close. Truth be told... kind of opposite.
But here we are... you wanted to snark off so badly that you can't be bothered to think for a few seconds in row before disgorging your awesomeness.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)based on what they see in a documentary is worthy of snark.
If you think you can do such an evaluation, perhaps you might want to reevaluate whether YOU are one of the people who "get things" or not.
JHB
(37,162 posts)Remember the bit about the Chinese factory in the 47% video? How he told his audience that his guide told him that the walls and wire were to keep people out?
I noticed that none of the savvy investors n his audience thought to ask "And you just believed the salesman?"
Nobody asked it, and Mitt acted like he fully accepted them to accept what he'd said. Just like for the part about the 47%.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Gothmog
(145,610 posts)I agree that Romney is not fit to be POTUS
BTW, I am afraid that the GOP may be forced to turn to Romney if Christie is indicted or if Scott Walker is defeated in 2014