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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 04:57 PM Jan 2014

Documentary reveals Clueless, Delusional Romney unfit for high office

The new Romney documentary is a touching portrait of a man who thought, on election night, that he was going to win. For real.

Boo Hoo. How affecting. And supposedly a reason to think better of the man.

Wha? That is right up here with a documentary about how crestfallen George W. Bush was to find that Iraq had no WMD.

Or the film NEBRASKA, where a semi-senile Bruce Dern is told that, despite the deceptive wording of the junk mail, he didn't actually win the Publisher's Clearinghouse Sweepstakes.

Yes, it would be sad to see a movie about a mentally disabled adult finding out, late in life, that Santa Claus is not real. But if that heart-breaking footage was of someone on the verge of becoming the fucking PRESIDENT it would be more than sad. It would be terrifying.

Consider what it tells us about Romney that he thought he was going to win, and what that portended for a Romney presidency...

The only way to have thought, on election day, that Romney was going to win was to deny all of the ample rational evidence, believe in a lunatic conspiracy theory wherein the notorious communist media faked poll after poll, and credit demented wing-nut lies and fancies on freakazoid websites and in vanity propaganda rags like American Spectator and such.

To believe Mark Levin types, Dick Morris types... professional liars and loons who claim things like death panels, black helicopters and Obama being born in Kenya, in preference to all legitimate evidence.

Not putting on a brave face, but actually believing it. To be subject to total self-delusion through being cocooned with wing-nut yes-men. Men who believe that "real" science proves that global warming is a hoax, that the jury is out on evolution, that increasing wealth inequality creates jobs... who believe CRAZY THINGS that one can only believe by dismissing all rational voices as elements of a left-wing conspiracy.

It is FRIGHTENING that a man coming close to command of our armed forces actually believed, for real, in his heart, in a tabloid echo-chamber fantasy.

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Documentary reveals Clueless, Delusional Romney unfit for high office (Original Post) cthulu2016 Jan 2014 OP
portrait of a narcissist who surrounds himself with sycophants unblock Jan 2014 #1
He wouldn't be the first candidate or President Mr.Bill Jan 2014 #7
that's ttrue.... tulsakatz Jan 2014 #16
He was SHOCKED. A lotta caterers/waitstaff in Boston ate well that night. MADem Jan 2014 #26
And did anybody notice the lady ann? With her queenly bouffant up-do, certainly crown-ready. calimary Jan 2014 #85
I noted Election Night that she had done her hair.....such an elegant msanthrope Jan 2014 #96
from what i remember she had her hair down earlier that evening... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #127
She had the hair down....and then went back to " dress" before 8pm. Then the states fell msanthrope Jan 2014 #128
we will just have to agree to disagree...that is NOT how I saw it at all... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #132
Yep--and she was blindsided. Talk about believing one's own courtiers. MADem Jan 2014 #110
I think you’re mistaken. busterbrown Jan 2014 #105
I knew a few of 'em--they took shit home! MADem Jan 2014 #107
Good! I'm glad! I hope they had seconds on behalf of the waitstaff at the private dinner calimary Jan 2014 #135
+1!!! nt MADem Jan 2014 #140
Nixon was delusional VA_Jill Jan 2014 #27
Nixon was Carolina Jan 2014 #84
thats the issue with my dad PatrynXX Jan 2014 #97
True VA_Jill Jan 2014 #117
also St. Reagan--dementia in the second term without a doubt librechik Jan 2014 #89
I agree he wouldn't be the first swilton Jan 2014 #121
absolutely, and people very much overestimate the power of the individual in office. unblock Jan 2014 #131
Which one would exactly be, as a CEO with his thumb on Billions of dollars in assets. calimary Jan 2014 #82
Rove promised Romney would "win" Ohio (by electronic vote fraud at the state level) Demeter Jan 2014 #95
Would love to see someone review the Rove/Anonymous/Ohio story. philly_bob Jan 2014 #111
Which, ironically, would not have mattered at that point anyway Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2014 #137
I believe Rove had 3 states in play Demeter Jan 2014 #138
Yes Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2014 #141
k&r great spanone Jan 2014 #2
He thinks prophecies are more reliable than facts. lob1 Jan 2014 #3
He should have studied it out. nyquil_man Jan 2014 #4
ask Karl Rove; corkhead Jan 2014 #5
haha.....good point!! tulsakatz Jan 2014 #17
Sadly, Romney wasn't alone. Rove and others believed right up to the end that Republicans would win. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2014 #6
Or the alternative explanation. zeemike Jan 2014 #12
Yes, that's what kept going though my mind too.. My husband was watching Fox mountain grammy Jan 2014 #18
I agree dflprincess Jan 2014 #51
"...out foxed (so to speak). " dchill Jan 2014 #70
If anonymous had done this... Agschmid Jan 2014 #78
I think they did take credit MsLeopard Jan 2014 #90
Right on! BlueMTexpat Jan 2014 #71
I read about that too. boguspotus Jan 2014 #19
right. if romney had won ohio he still would have lost. nt arely staircase Jan 2014 #42
Welcome to DU, boguspotus! calimary Jan 2014 #91
Your points are very eloquently stated and very true mdbl Jan 2014 #101
Great post calimary! Thank You boguspotus Jan 2014 #104
Yes, on making good policy decisions seem foolish dragonlady Jan 2014 #119
yep n/t 2pooped2pop Jan 2014 #39
Ding Ding we have a winner malaise Jan 2014 #40
Ohio wouldn't have changed this election. nt obxhead Jan 2014 #87
Exactly! Carolina Jan 2014 #88
They also probably thought they had put up enough hurdles... GoCubsGo Jan 2014 #123
Yes, Rove had a fix in and it didn't work dem in texas Jan 2014 #126
There was a scene that seemed to back up this theory.. DCBob Jan 2014 #133
true... tulsakatz Jan 2014 #20
I believe the pollsters found that it was more profitable to tell Mitt what he wanted to hear. rocktivity Jan 2014 #36
The reason people like Rove don't understand SheilaT Jan 2014 #37
In Rove's defense, BlueMTexpat Jan 2014 #72
yeah, poor raptors heaven05 Jan 2014 #75
They better be very small raptors! Bortman33 Jan 2014 #83
Infoxicated (NT) The Wizard Jan 2014 #59
Megyn and Rove heaven05 Jan 2014 #74
Wishful thinkers, the lot of them. QuestForSense Jan 2014 #58
The combination of... TlalocW Jan 2014 #8
I remember crunching the numbers in July 2012. nyquil_man Jan 2014 #15
Plus when you crunched the paths to 270 TlalocW Jan 2014 #21
Some may have folded knowing that Ohio exboyfil Jan 2014 #46
Oh, what a classic clip! AAO Jan 2014 #54
That's right! Frank Cannon Jan 2014 #69
Doesn't it kill you when comedy and satire actually turn into real life? pink-o Jan 2014 #102
& they had one poll.... tulsakatz Jan 2014 #23
I would change "reveals" to "confirms" nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #9
One of Romney's first acts would have been to invade Iran.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #10
Spoiled child of privilege. Rozlee Jan 2014 #11
You touched upon an amazing point.... ewagner Jan 2014 #13
Excellent and compelling prose, cthulu2016. K&R. nt Xipe Totec Jan 2014 #14
That's not it at all jmowreader Jan 2014 #22
I was going to write something similar Fumesucker Jan 2014 #47
+1000 heaven05 Jan 2014 #77
is it worth watching? barbtries Jan 2014 #24
My in-laws honestly believe Obama's election was the result of voter fraud and Acorn. mountain grammy Jan 2014 #25
LOL - When do they think he is going to get around to all this mischief? Chemisse Jan 2014 #31
The difference between us and them, besides their genetic stupidity, is that they are programmed to ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #33
Your Thanksgiving dinner conversation must rival the 4th of July. I know the feeling. kairos12 Jan 2014 #48
YES, i have come late to the discussion. rustbeltvoice Jan 2014 #124
What a joke Rafale Jan 2014 #28
It's worse tyhan Morris, zentrum Jan 2014 #29
I think Mitt truly believed in his prophecy. Cracklin Charlie Jan 2014 #56
Fox News Faygo Kid Jan 2014 #30
Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #32
There is no Santa? tavernier Jan 2014 #34
You just have to excuse those defacto7 Jan 2014 #35
What is the documentary? SheilaT Jan 2014 #38
Right now only Netflixs davidpdx Jan 2014 #45
I have Netflix. SheilaT Jan 2014 #50
A lot of people said the same thing about the book Double Down davidpdx Jan 2014 #55
Unfortunately, "Clueless & Delusional" in not a disqualification for President of the United States. bvar22 Jan 2014 #41
NEBRASKA Omaha Steve Jan 2014 #43
We hired someone who worked on the Romney campaign, Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2014 #44
Mittwitt truly, as the camera never blinks. kairos12 Jan 2014 #49
every republican I know thought Mitt would win Skittles Jan 2014 #52
CBS was just taken over by a VP from FOX cprise Jan 2014 #62
I don't think his elevator, yortsed snacilbuper Jan 2014 #53
He reminds me of Sling Blade. Cracklin Charlie Jan 2014 #57
Don't you mean his "car elevator?" 6000eliot Jan 2014 #86
Or as Orion Samuelson would say on his WGN Farm Report... IllinoisBirdWatcher Jan 2014 #103
Of course he thought he had won. Lunacee_2013 Jan 2014 #60
He was annoyed that he even had to bother to run a campaign lolly Jan 2014 #61
romney and other republicans thought he was going to win Pennsylvania JI7 Jan 2014 #63
And Ohio. ProSense Jan 2014 #81
knr Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #64
To paraphrase one of the best ... 3catwoman3 Jan 2014 #65
They changed their internal polling methods to get the results they wanted and then believed them. pamela Jan 2014 #66
Election night xxqqqzme Jan 2014 #67
I saw the doc, and, as someone who HATES what candidate ecstatic Jan 2014 #68
Excellent points and post PCIntern Jan 2014 #76
agreed, except I didn't find it a total waste of time. magical thyme Jan 2014 #93
Mitt earned his nickname in Massachusetts: unhappycamper Jan 2014 #73
Be very afraid workinclasszero Jan 2014 #79
Romney could win if he campaigns to the Left of Obama after the Primaries: ProSense Jan 2014 #80
Thank god for Anonymous BlackM Jan 2014 #92
Some great election night pics here: CrispyQ Jan 2014 #94
Fantastic pictures. blue neen Jan 2014 #122
There was a web site that featured photos from the Romney gatherings. GoCubsGo Jan 2014 #130
My opinion is that any Republican sulphurdunn Jan 2014 #98
47% of the electorate agreed with him. GeorgeGist Jan 2014 #99
On another note, great prose Z_California Jan 2014 #100
Isn't it more conceivable that he believed Rove successfully "fixed" the election counts? nt valerief Jan 2014 #106
Sounds like George W. Bush, except without the guys who fix elections. Coyotl Jan 2014 #108
I think he truly believed that HE was the fulfillment of the White Horse Prophecy, tblue37 Jan 2014 #109
He probably had Krazy Karl Roves assurance the he would win INdemo Jan 2014 #112
I truly believe Romney thought a black man could never win... KauaiK Jan 2014 #113
Guess he's trying to redeem himself by giving Christie the high-five! They are both delusional libdem4life Jan 2014 #114
Working the phones for the Obama campaign (yeah, I know) in a largely Republican maddiemom Jan 2014 #115
Started watching it yesterday jehop61 Jan 2014 #116
My goal in 2014 is to get Dems to the polls so I can here these words again. ffr Jan 2014 #118
If I recall, there were a bunch of DUers that weren't ready to crack the champaigne hughee99 Jan 2014 #120
You should leave snark to people who "get" things cthulu2016 Jan 2014 #125
No, I just find someone making significant psychological judgments about a person hughee99 Jan 2014 #134
That sort of thing can happen when you beleive the salesmen JHB Jan 2014 #129
According to Romney's family, he's crazy Oilwellian Jan 2014 #136
The fact that Romney actually believed that he was going to win is sad Gothmog Jan 2014 #139

Mr.Bill

(24,330 posts)
7. He wouldn't be the first candidate or President
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 05:52 PM
Jan 2014

to do that. Nixon was a prime example, right up until they fled the sinking ship like rats.

tulsakatz

(3,122 posts)
16. that's ttrue....
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 06:20 PM
Jan 2014

...even after Watergate he believed (or hoped) that he could still have a political career. It was delusional not uncommon for a person so involved in politics to have unrealistic beliefs...

Regarding Romney, we all knew on election night that he believed he would win, that's not a surprise. That's why it took him so long to make his concession speech because he was so sure he would win that he hadn't even written it yet!!! When you only listen to republican opinions, republican polls & believe everyone else is lying, you do become part of a warped, unrealistic reality!!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
26. He was SHOCKED. A lotta caterers/waitstaff in Boston ate well that night.
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 06:39 PM
Jan 2014

There was a ton of chow left uneaten!

He really believed that the numbers were going to turn his way--no one had the stones to tell him that the emperor had no clothes...

calimary

(81,507 posts)
85. And did anybody notice the lady ann? With her queenly bouffant up-do, certainly crown-ready.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 10:06 AM
Jan 2014

I watch the wives sometimes. It's very instructive. She wore, if I recall correctly, "reagan red" - the color of republi-CON royalty. Probably a designer dress with a huge price tag. On ordinary days ann always wears her hair down in a more common proletariat style. I noticed that her hair was also up in the elegant style on the night of the glittering Al Smith Dinner where all the gentlemen wore white tie and tails and the ladies were dressed for the opera. She dressed for the part she was fully expecting to begin playing: the new queen.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
96. I noted Election Night that she had done her hair.....such an elegant
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 11:36 AM
Jan 2014

upsweep for a concession speech, no???

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
127. from what i remember she had her hair down earlier that evening...
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:40 PM
Jan 2014

I think the updo was after she got the news they had lost. I think she might have had a meltdown backstage and her hair had to be redone...she looked terrible.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
128. She had the hair down....and then went back to " dress" before 8pm. Then the states fell
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:51 PM
Jan 2014

like dominoes. They got the news while they were still in fancy dress. Then, she and mitt changed......he into an ill-fitting suit, out of his tux, and she, out of the ball gown into her "going away" suit. But her hair and makeup remained.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
132. we will just have to agree to disagree...that is NOT how I saw it at all...
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 07:17 PM
Jan 2014

(I am an ex hairdresser by the way) That was NOT a great updo...that was a fast fix of a screwwed up hairdo...she never wore her hair up.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
110. Yep--and she was blindsided. Talk about believing one's own courtiers.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 01:30 PM
Jan 2014

She was lucky she actually had clothes on, the way they were bullshitting that pair. The emperor Mitt certainly had no political clothes in that little fiefdom!

I don't think she had a real sense of how she was coming across to the American people--when you're as rich as she is, there's No Whining Allowed about how "hard" it is to "raise five boys." You don't get a manicure like she had between scrubbing floors and doing laundry. And she did come across as a whiner--an entitled whiner, at that. Between the horsies, and the cutting edge medical procedures that weren't available to "the little people" she was just one heaping helping of "privilege, writ large." The two of them were set back on their heels at how much people didn't LIKE him.

What I found "nervy" was his attempt to use Boston and the Commonwealth of MA as his "backdrop" for glory. He bought his gubernatorial election against a weak and underfunded candidate, he shoved out all primary opposition, and he only did one term because he knew he would be thrown out on his ass because we all thought he sucked. Then he acts like he's a Son of the Bean and the Cod, when he wasn't born here, doesn't know Mendon from Medford, and couldn't find his way to western MA on a bet. He's a Grade A Phony--I'm so glad the nation saw through him!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
107. I knew a few of 'em--they took shit home!
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 01:19 PM
Jan 2014

Crab cakes and all kinds of poo-poos! For once, the bloated had no appetite! Backpacks full of snacks!

calimary

(81,507 posts)
135. Good! I'm glad! I hope they had seconds on behalf of the waitstaff at the private dinner
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 11:49 AM
Jan 2014

where one of their brethren videotaped the 47% speech!

I'm glad. I wonder if any of the campaign workers who had their credit cards canceled something like a minute after wrongney conceded and couldn't pay for cabs home or to the airport grabbed any food before they left? He sure yanked the expensive Persian rug out from under their feet rather abruptly, too. Sheesh - the least he coulda done was to cover their return home. That would have been genuinely elegant and classy and a good way to thank them for their hard work (and I'm sure they worked like dogs). Or at least a consolation prize. Shit, Diamond Jim, the least you coulda done was help them get home! But no, they were merely "the help." So they didn't merit any special consideration. It was simply expected of them, as was fitting for their lowly station in life. Showing, once again, his true regard for that 47%.

Should show the rest of us the glaring truth here: REAL class can't be bought.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
97. thats the issue with my dad
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 11:39 AM
Jan 2014

he was basically gleeful all day on election day because Obama was going down up until (from his eyes) some left wing lady called Megyn Kelly announced something.. since then he's been buying guns. Because the Violence is way up in Chicago (BS) and that means the crime rate in the city next to us is going up (as of this morning 2013 that is now BS) so they'll be buying guns for no reason. hopefully I won't be a statistic when he accidentally shoots someone

librechik

(30,676 posts)
89. also St. Reagan--dementia in the second term without a doubt
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 10:22 AM
Jan 2014

the role of President must draw the delusional types who need the attention like a drug. It's a miracle when we get a decent candidate.

 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
121. I agree he wouldn't be the first
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:03 PM
Jan 2014

I also think that it is an illusion that the person occupying the oval office is a singular entity....narcissist or not.

The one in the oval office is a figure head at bests - the puppet masters from special interests are really the ones who have the power

calimary

(81,507 posts)
82. Which one would exactly be, as a CEO with his thumb on Billions of dollars in assets.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 09:50 AM
Jan 2014

Who around you, knowing you sat on top of that kind of ziggurat, with the power and influence and intimidating clout that such a fortune provides, would dare tell you "no"? What would it gain them? What if, heaven forbid, he had won? Would somebody who'd told this vainglorious self-anointed emperor "no" be carried up to the White House with all his other yes-men?

Excellent post, cthulu2016. Very insightful. Many people said and wrote and blogged that "we dodged a bullet." In view of what you point out, we dodged a nuclear bomb!

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
95. Rove promised Romney would "win" Ohio (by electronic vote fraud at the state level)
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 11:30 AM
Jan 2014

And Anonymous queered his pitch. The Republic was saved to fight another election, and all we got was this same old, same old....now, with NSA leakage to go with the drone strikes!

philly_bob

(2,419 posts)
111. Would love to see someone review the Rove/Anonymous/Ohio story.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 01:48 PM
Jan 2014

I remember it vaguely.

I always wondered why the Bush vote-fixing machine didn't work for Romney.

Links, please, someone, and thanks, Demeter, for remembering...

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,438 posts)
137. Which, ironically, would not have mattered at that point anyway
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 12:14 PM
Jan 2014

It would have given him a few extra EVs but not the Presidency.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
138. I believe Rove had 3 states in play
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 01:48 PM
Jan 2014

They just made a big fuss about Ohio in particular, because he and several other conspirators flipped it the election before...

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,438 posts)
141. Yes
Tue Jan 28, 2014, 12:44 AM
Jan 2014

But that point it was over for Romney. Obama had a MUCH nicer map to work with and multiple paths to an EV win. Romney had to run the tables and he didn't (and in all reality, couldn't)

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
5. ask Karl Rove;
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 05:42 PM
Jan 2014

There's a great cottage industry that will make you quite wealthy conning rich dumb republicons out of their money.

tulsakatz

(3,122 posts)
17. haha.....good point!!
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 06:25 PM
Jan 2014

they did spend a ton of money in that election!! And all of that money bought them absolutely nothing!!!

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
6. Sadly, Romney wasn't alone. Rove and others believed right up to the end that Republicans would win.
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 05:44 PM
Jan 2014

As I recall, because they did not like what the polls said, they created an alternate polling source so justify their own belief.

I think a lot of that can be blamed on racism. The could not believe a white republican could be beaten by a black Democrat.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
12. Or the alternative explanation.
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 06:02 PM
Jan 2014

that they thought they had the election fixed.

I seem to remember that Anonymous claimed they stopped the "man in the middle" computer hack in Ohio...and maybe they did, and it spoiled the plan.
That would explain why Rove was upset and while he said that the system was down and they were waiting for the update that he was sure would go Rmoneys way.

mountain grammy

(26,655 posts)
18. Yes, that's what kept going though my mind too.. My husband was watching Fox
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 06:28 PM
Jan 2014

when Rove freaked out about Ohio. The fix was in, but it didn't work. Suppress more votes!

dflprincess

(28,082 posts)
51. I agree
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 10:36 PM
Jan 2014

I think Anonymous did indeed "hack" the vote to keep the count honest and it came as quite a surprise to Romney, Rove and their crowd that they'd been out foxed (so to speak).

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
78. If anonymous had done this...
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 09:06 AM
Jan 2014

They would have let us know. Anonymous likes to take credit for stuff... At least IMO.

BlueMTexpat

(15,373 posts)
71. Right on!
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 07:25 AM
Jan 2014

They didn't have a Katherine Harris or a Kenneth Blackwell to "fix" FL and OH - at least not in 2012.

But they WILL keep trying. Because they know all too well that, without a "fix," no candidate that the Tea-Party-dominated GOP would support at the national level can win.

boguspotus

(286 posts)
19. I read about that too.
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 06:28 PM
Jan 2014

But even if they got Ohio, it still wouldn't have mattered. They were really, really delusional.
I can't believe any of those folks would not have paid attention to Nate Silver's blog. He was so right on in past elections and especially right about this one.

calimary

(81,507 posts)
91. Welcome to DU, boguspotus!
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 10:35 AM
Jan 2014

Glad you're here! I think an answer might be that - they thought they had their OWN reality, their OWN facts. Remember that chilling statement that came out during bush/cheney?

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore." He continued "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
Suskind, Ron (2004-10-17). Faith, Certainty and the Presidency of George W. Bush. The New York Times Magazine.
Danner, Mark (2007). "Words in a Time of War: On Rhetoric, Truth and Power". in András Szántó. What Orwell Didn't Know: Propaganda and the New Face of American Politics (First edition ed.). Philadelphia, PA: PublicAffairs Reports. pp. 17. "... the unnamed official speaking to Suskind is widely known to be none other than the self-same architect of the aircraft-carrier moment, Karl Rove ..."

All politicians operate within an Orwellian nimbus where words don't mean what they normally mean, but Rovism posits that there is no objective, verifiable reality at all. Reality is what you say it is, ...
Neal Gabler, Los Angeles Times; October 25, 2004 [4]

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Karl_Rove

So, Rule #1 is: you've ALWAYS-ALWAYS-ALWAYS got to use this filter to assess ANYTHING that this side of the aisle says. This is how they operate. It explains and flows perfectly with their strategy that - since your ideas and policies don't win votes, fix the vote so you can win anyway. Reality doesn't matter. It's what YOU SAY IT IS that matters. It's WHAT YOU CAN MAKE PEOPLE THINK that matters. That's why they went so hard and so relentlessly for broadcast deregulation back in reagan's era - to get rid of the restrictions on ownership - so these assholes and their friends could buy up all the media and then crank out the propaganda 24/7/365 to CONTROL AND MANIPULATE WHAT PEOPLE THINK AND BELIEVE. Hence the rise of Pox Noise and limbaugh and frank luntz analyzing the wording and telling them what to say and how to say it to be effective, stemming from newt gingrich's little black book of words and phrases to use to doctor the language and lay on subliminal meanings, and all those other cancers and opportunistic infections. They laid all that groundwork. And they did a very effective job.

I was up watching Steve Kornacki this morning and noting one of his panelists said it came down to two words VERY cleverly and shrewdly crafted by chris christie to kick the legs out from under this ARC tunnel. He framed it VERY effectively with two words: "Macy's basement." As in, the tunnel was supposedly just gonna dump out in Macy's basement. Trivializing it. Lending to it or artificially grafting onto it an air of bogus-ness, stupidity, foolishness, frippery - that simply must be gotten rid of. It worked. People glommed onto the "Macy's basement" commonality (hey, EVERYBODY can wrap their brains around that one. It's great mental imagery!) and then promptly rolled their eyeballs and shook their heads and immediately equated it with bad, stupid, too expensive, foolish, and undesirable.

http://www.streetsblog.org/2012/04/10/independent-federal-report-confirms-christie-lied-to-kill-arc-tunnel/

DAMMIT! We've gotta WATCH these assholes! You have to study and parse every word they utter. Every syllable. Every inflection. You have to weigh it VERY carefully. Analyze it. Read between their lines. Because that's where the true reality and their true motivations and ulterior motives are.

mdbl

(4,976 posts)
101. Your points are very eloquently stated and very true
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 12:12 PM
Jan 2014

but I am so exhausted from parsing their stupidity. Isn't there an easier way to make the more foolish quit believing the rich foolish?

dragonlady

(3,577 posts)
119. Yes, on making good policy decisions seem foolish
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 03:08 PM
Jan 2014

The plan to build a high-speed rail connection between Milwaukee and Madison, the first leg of a route to the Twin Cities and beyond (analogous to the interstate highway project in some ways) was disparaged as the silly idea of a "choo-choo" that we didn't need. So Scott Walker cancelled the project (and apparently thought he could use the $800 million in federal money for his own highway projects, but the federal Department of Transportation didn't agree and sent it to other, more rational states).

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
88. Exactly!
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 10:14 AM
Jan 2014

Karl's behavior was scary to me because it demonstrated that he knew the fix was in and couldn't believe his planned vote switching via those dastardly vapor ballot machines had not worked. He just KNEW that with the voter suppression and the flipped ballots, he had it in the bag.

Karl Rove cut his political teeth under Nixon. He and all repuke operatives learned early that the way to win is to lie, cheat and steal. They were emboldened by Theft 2000 and the cheating in Ohio in 2004. 2008 was an aberration in their eyes, so they set out to"win" by any means in 2012 and were dumbfounded when they failed.

This bodes poorly for the future and in part the Dems are to blame. They rollover when in power, they have failed to correct the flaws in computer voting after 2000 (paper ballots or receipts akin to ATM transactions) and some (I don't think I need to name names) continue to try to work with these bullies.

GoCubsGo

(32,094 posts)
123. They also probably thought they had put up enough hurdles...
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:01 PM
Jan 2014

They likely thought that all the voter ID laws, insufficient voter machines in non-republican districts, voter intimidation, etc., were going to keep people away from the voting booths.

dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
126. Yes, Rove had a fix in and it didn't work
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:35 PM
Jan 2014

Rove is no fool and for him to be so sure that Romney would win tells you that Rove was up to no good. Thank goodness his plan didn't work out.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
133. There was a scene that seemed to back up this theory..
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 07:57 PM
Jan 2014

Romney was all ready to concede based on the projections when a call came in from someone (likely Rove's gang) saying don't give up yet there was still some possibility of some votes coming in that might give Romney the win.

tulsakatz

(3,122 posts)
20. true...
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 06:28 PM
Jan 2014

Rove didn't even believe it when Obama won Ohio!!! It's one thing not to believe future predictions but it is even more delusional to believe you can still win even when all of the current evidence contradicts it!!

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
36. I believe the pollsters found that it was more profitable to tell Mitt what he wanted to hear.
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 07:32 PM
Jan 2014

Last edited Sun Oct 6, 2019, 07:44 PM - Edit history (14)

As for Rove's reaction to the 2012 call of Ohio, it was either an award-worthy acting performance because he, too, realized that it was more profitable to lie to R-Money ("It's not MY fault -- THEIR numbers were wrong!"); or he really did have some kind of fix in on Ohio that was thwarted by either a computer counter-hacking and/or too much Dem voter turnout.

Better download this while you still can -- it seems to be the only full-length copy left on YouTube. (Megyn Kelly's "death march" starts about five minutes in).





rocktivity

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
37. The reason people like Rove don't understand
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 07:37 PM
Jan 2014

how a network can call a state for a particular candidate with a relatively small percentage of the vote in, is that they simply do not understand statistical sampling. I expect all the networks have very sophisticated number-crunching going on. I've taken a couple of statistics courses, and while I'm a very long way from being any expert, it means I understand statistics and numbers far better than a lot of people, and I get this.

BlueMTexpat

(15,373 posts)
72. In Rove's defense,
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 07:34 AM
Jan 2014

(can't believe that I am actually saying that), pollsters were predicting an Al Gore win in FL (for a very brief moment, it was actually on the TV screen ... I saw it and literally screamed for joy!) and, statistically, John Kerry should have won OH.

But Rove knew better. He understands how statistics work - he just thought that he had trumped statistics (and democracy generally, btw) with his "fixes" - just as he had before.

If Rove ever passes to the Great Beyond, I hope that his special Hell there is to relive those moments on Faux Noise for all eternity, preferably with raptors gnawing constantly at his entrails. Or perhaps that is too awful a fate for the poor raptors.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
74. Megyn and Rove
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 08:17 AM
Jan 2014

disgusting sleazy human beings or what passes as human. Rove losing was priceless. I watched that and really felt good to see that.

QuestForSense

(653 posts)
58. Wishful thinkers, the lot of them.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 12:15 AM
Jan 2014

They all have their heads up their asses, as do the authoritarian dunces who vote for them.

TlalocW

(15,392 posts)
8. The combination of...
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 05:57 PM
Jan 2014

A guy who had been handed everything in his life without really having to work for it AND the right-wing echo chamber that he insulated himself in would tend to produce such a result. I remember state poll after state poll coming out for Obama or moving toward him in the last 3-4 weeks of the election, and it seemed like the republicans were ignoring that for "national" polls that seemed to show things were bad for Obama. The few times the pundits on FOX talked about other polls they were claiming that Romney was in the lead on them except one - Dennis Miller who said polls were showing Obama in the lead, but he didn't BELIEVE THEM.

The fallout and disbelief was just staggering... yet still delicious to witness.

TlalocW

nyquil_man

(1,443 posts)
15. I remember crunching the numbers in July 2012.
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 06:07 PM
Jan 2014

Obama had 332 electoral votes and was up by 3-4 points.

I could have taken a five month nap, right then and there, and it wouldn't have been any less accurate. That race was extremely stable.

TlalocW

(15,392 posts)
21. Plus when you crunched the paths to 270
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 06:28 PM
Jan 2014

Romney had a lot less avenues, and he was either behind or losing momentum in some critical states for his paths.

On the other hand, I think Rove had some tricks up his sleeve for the election, and something was SUPPOSED to have happened in Ohio, and for whatever reason, the trigger wasn't pulled - either through incompetence of conservative operatives or because the plan just couldn't work - which is why he blew a gasket when Ohio went for Obama.

TlalocW

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
46. Some may have folded knowing that Ohio
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 08:49 PM
Jan 2014

did not make a difference. Obama could have lost both the fixable states (Ohio and Florida) and still have won. Obama could have lost Virginia as well.

Rove's reaction always reminded me of Mortimer Duke at the end of Trading Places

Turn those machines back on!!!!


Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
69. That's right!
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:29 AM
Jan 2014

I knew Rove's meltdown reminded me of something when I saw it. It was that exact scene from that movie!

Hilarious flick. I'm going to have to rent that one again.

pink-o

(4,056 posts)
102. Doesn't it kill you when comedy and satire actually turn into real life?
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 12:14 PM
Jan 2014

You know they made Trading Places and Network with tongue firmly in cheek--and a moral certainty that such a situation was hilarious cuz it could never happen. Now we have the Dukes (The Kochs) and Faux News with Glen Beck as the Peter Finch character.

Oscar Wilde warned us over a century ago about Life imitating Art.

tulsakatz

(3,122 posts)
23. & they had one poll....
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 06:34 PM
Jan 2014

...who claimed that all of the other polls were skewed in Obama's favor & only his poll was the correct one! But he wouldn't tell anyone how he acquired his data & ironically his poll was called something like skewed polls!

When you live in a universe where up is down, you don't believe you will crash! It's not realistic but not so hard to understand why they thought they would still win...

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
10. One of Romney's first acts would have been to invade Iran....
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 06:00 PM
Jan 2014

Imagine Secretary of Defense John McCain.

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
11. Spoiled child of privilege.
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 06:01 PM
Jan 2014

Who got a little red pony every Christmas. Living one's life in a bubble of indulgence and entitlement often doesn't give one the perception to realize that the world won't bend to their every whim once they leave it.

ewagner

(18,964 posts)
13. You touched upon an amazing point....
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 06:03 PM
Jan 2014

Not only did Romney believe with all his heart he was going to win on election night.....

he also believed (as you pointed out):

the press was/is controlled by crazy liberals who created fake polls...and only Romney and his "yes men" know/knew the truth.

the crazy-ass tea party conspiracies were/are all REAL...

that all the lies he told himself about Obama were actually TRUE....


I shudder to think how close we came to letting the delusional right wing run America.

jmowreader

(50,563 posts)
22. That's not it at all
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 06:31 PM
Jan 2014

This is the story of a man who shoots messengers.

In the runup to Election Day, Fox News was the only one predicting a Romney victory right to the end. Whether they really believed he was going to win or they were doing it just so his advisors would have positive news to show him is immaterial. What is not, is his advisors were so afraid of him they only showed him Fox News.

You can understand why. Romney spent his career in business buying corporations, then restructured them by first firing everyone who worked there. He is the purest example of a sociopath there is; if an advisor would have gone to Romney and told him, "you're losing because America is scared of you" or "America thinks your policies will leave them worse off so they're voting for the other guy," Romney would have told the driver, "make like you work for Greyhound and throw him off here." (Since Romney used a plane to go from stop to stop that could have been painful.)

We didn't escape a senile or delusional man. We escaped an evil one.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
47. I was going to write something similar
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 09:06 PM
Jan 2014

The only people who can keep working for Romney are those who will tell him what he wants to hear.

Look at how his campaign staff were treated in the end, fired on the spot and abandoned to make their way home however they could.



 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
77. +1000
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 08:28 AM
Jan 2014

quite evil and his little dog rove, too. Sorry for the paraphrase there, couldn't help it.

barbtries

(28,811 posts)
24. is it worth watching?
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 06:36 PM
Jan 2014

i'm not sure i could stand to watch it. i did watch ron howard's nixon movie but many years had passed by then.

mountain grammy

(26,655 posts)
25. My in-laws honestly believe Obama's election was the result of voter fraud and Acorn.
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 06:38 PM
Jan 2014

They don't believe there is no Acorn. They were convinced Rmoney would be president and save them from the Muslim who will take their guns and force them to have abortions and pray to Allah. They think my husband and I and anyone like us are stupid with our heads in the sand and we better "wake up" soon. I'm not making this up.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
33. The difference between us and them, besides their genetic stupidity, is that they are programmed to
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 06:55 PM
Jan 2014

hate everyone and everything and accept and revel in the fact that they are the minions assisting in the dismantling of reason, self-worth, and of the nation while they profess to be "patriots". They are anything but patriots. Indeed, they are weak-minded cowards full of bluster who hide behind their guns and the bible and their corporate overlords.

rustbeltvoice

(430 posts)
124. YES, i have come late to the discussion.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:17 PM
Jan 2014

I have read through most of this 'thread', and am very interested in it. Yes, i am one of those that has great antipathy towards Willard and his party. I recognise many of the criticisms as valid. But, your comment i find more interesting; and i wish there were threads based on it as the original post. You have described individuals that i know, "They think...anyone like us are stupid with our heads in the sand and we better "wake up" soon." And yes, "wake up" is a term and view i have encountered.

How do people believe this alternative to reality exists?? It is not just wish fulfillment. It is a mass delusion, but i think one with several nuclei.

And we have to live with these people. It is a lot worse than dealing with a rabid sports fanatic of a certain team.

Someone start a thread on this. I have tried on a few questions that i have had, and failed.

Rafale

(291 posts)
28. What a joke
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 06:47 PM
Jan 2014

You mean I'm not supposed to feel sorrow for a former hedge fund founder that helped wreck the global economy. Okay then.

Clearly that guy is trying to get back into politics with a propaganda campaign. Pathetic.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
29. It's worse tyhan Morris,
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 06:47 PM
Jan 2014

...or tabloids, or yes-men.

He was brought up all his life to believe that he was anointed and chosen by God. Rich men are given very sepcial treatment and status all of their lives in the Mormon Church. They are taught to believe that their wealth shows God's special favor and since no door, his entire life, had ever been shut to him---he couldn't believe God didn't come through for him in the end. He had lived for over 50 years in a bubble of privilege and grandiosity.

Same with Anne. At least since she married Mitt.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
56. I think Mitt truly believed in his prophecy.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 12:04 AM
Jan 2014

It was his destiny. And Anne believed it, as well.

Plus, I think Mittens is just a bit touched in his head.

Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
30. Fox News
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 06:50 PM
Jan 2014

That's about all he appeared on, and no doubt listened to. That, and he probably read Jennifer Rubin in The Washington Post. Hey, he was a shoo-in, right?

Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
35. You just have to excuse those
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 07:08 PM
Jan 2014

magic hat and magic underwear Mormons. He couldn't possibly be delusional.



davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
45. Right now only Netflixs
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 08:15 PM
Jan 2014

I've been looking for a copy. It is possible eventually it will be put out on DVD.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
50. I have Netflix.
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 10:04 PM
Jan 2014

So you're referring to the Netflix original documentary about him?

They don't think I'll like it, but I may well take a look.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
55. A lot of people said the same thing about the book Double Down
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 11:28 PM
Jan 2014

(the sequel to Game Change). I am reading it anyway as I think it is interesting. Since I'm overseas and Netflix isn't available here it might be awhile.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
41. Unfortunately, "Clueless & Delusional" in not a disqualification for President of the United States.
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 07:52 PM
Jan 2014

SEE: Ronald Reagan and George W Bush

Omaha Steve

(99,737 posts)
43. NEBRASKA
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 07:56 PM
Jan 2014

I work for the Omaha Police Dept. I deal with people all the time that have been told by relatives and friends they are being scammed. Ju8st like Dern's character they continue to be taken. It happens way to often!!!

OS

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
44. We hired someone who worked on the Romney campaign,
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 08:00 PM
Jan 2014

She said the Romney campaign was basically a outplacement firm for old school Republican consultants and hacks who knew they weren't going to fare well in the Tea Party controlled Republican Party. Romney had a billion dollars to spend and they wanted their cut.

Skittles

(153,193 posts)
52. every republican I know thought Mitt would win
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 10:42 PM
Jan 2014

that's what happens when the only news you get is from Fox News

cprise

(8,445 posts)
62. CBS was just taken over by a VP from FOX
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 02:28 AM
Jan 2014

and now its spewing Republican propaganda.

That's an example of how the corporate world can be made to bend and bend to the will of crazy people worshipping money.

The next election may be very problematic, indeed, because the corporate wagons are circling against progressives.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
57. He reminds me of Sling Blade.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 12:09 AM
Jan 2014

I think it's a brain injury thing from that car accident in France when he was young.

Makes me wanna "Bless his heart".

Lunacee_2013

(529 posts)
60. Of course he thought he had won.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 01:58 AM
Jan 2014

Mitts comes across as the type of guy who thinks everything is his to take and he deserves it too. He is the very definition of white, male privilege.

lolly

(3,248 posts)
61. He was annoyed that he even had to bother to run a campaign
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 02:26 AM
Jan 2014

Remember when Anne said something about how the press should just shut up and be grateful that they were going to have the opportunity to have a great man like Mitt as president?

The campaign stuff was just an annoying formality, a speed bump on the way to his coronation.

And he was (still is) utterly contemptuous of his opponent.

JI7

(89,275 posts)
63. romney and other republicans thought he was going to win Pennsylvania
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 02:46 AM
Jan 2014

what is crazy with their talk is that it wasn't a case of them thinking he will have some impressive ground game in florida and/or ohio and pull out a victory. close but still winning.

they thought he was going to win in a fucking landslide. they thought he was going to win pennsylvania.

they thought Obama was the WORST president EVER and thought everyone else felt the same.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
81. And Ohio.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 09:29 AM
Jan 2014

Romney was a figment of the media hype and polls.

Their efforts work to depress Democratic turnout and increase Republican/RW enthusiasm. They believed this would help him over the top, higher numbers in red states and lower numbers for Obama in blue states. That is why they kept pushing the meme that Romney could win the popular vote.

Delusional all around.

3catwoman3

(24,053 posts)
65. To paraphrase one of the best ...
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 03:14 AM
Jan 2014

...signature blocks that I so enjoy here -

"I love it when I wake up in the morning and Mitt Romney is NOT president."

pamela

(3,469 posts)
66. They changed their internal polling methods to get the results they wanted and then believed them.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 03:24 AM
Jan 2014

It's really an incredible story and points to the vast differences between the two campaigns and candidates.

The internal polls, from both campaigns, had one very positive number for Romney in the battleground states. Although he was mostly losing, his voters were more energized about voting and therefore possibly more likely to vote. The Obama campaign saw those numbers and set about systematically reaching out to their voters to insure they got to the polls.

The Romney campaign saw those numbersand decided to change their polling method to reflect this difference in voter enthusiasm. They thought, "Well if Republicans are more enthused, and more likely to vote, we should be polling a higher percentage of Republicans." Once they did that, their internal polls started telling them what they wanted to hear-that Romney was going to win.

I really think this shows the difference, not only in the candidates but in the two parties. Democrats see things the way they are and work hard to change them. Republicans see only what they want to see and try to manipulate the public to get the response they want.

ecstatic

(32,733 posts)
68. I saw the doc, and, as someone who HATES what candidate
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 03:51 AM
Jan 2014

Robme stood for... I was surprised to learn that he actually was not as delusional as I thought. He was pessimistic all throughout, and knew that he couldn't escape his flip flopping image. Even after the first GE debate, he said that Obama would be far better in the final 2 debates.

He had a pretty good idea of what was going on. He gave very rational predictions and assessments, but his family /inner circle would tell him he was wrong, etc. They kept feeding him lies either to make him feel better or because they were delusional. Even when he was trying to write his concession speech, his family and friends were still feeding him lies.

What wasn't clear was whether their comments actually gave him hope, or if he just didn't want to argue with them /hurt their feelings.

Edited to add: Overall, the documentary was a poorly done waste of time. It skipped a lot of important topics, like the 2012 repug primaries, fallout from picking Ryan, the 3rd debate, etc.

PCIntern

(25,591 posts)
76. Excellent points and post
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 08:21 AM
Jan 2014

I was going to write a post on this documentary but you did the job for me!

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
93. agreed, except I didn't find it a total waste of time.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 11:14 AM
Jan 2014

the prayer scenes were so filled with self importance, hubris and feigned humility, I literally burst out loud laughing. Especially the first one, with the long, drawn out prayer from HRH Queen Ann. I don't how any of them can keep a straight face through that.

I also felt good watching him go on about how they'd invested their own money in his brand, and he ended up branded "the flip-flopping mormon." The look on his face was priceless.

Sorry to revel in their moments of pain and suffering, but really so totally trivial compared to the pain and suffering they've imposed on how many thousands...

I did find myself wondering if Queen Ann has every actually smiled. You know, really smiled. Like with happy eyes versus the frown smile with glaring, hateful eyes? Sad, really. Poor little rich girl.

unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
73. Mitt earned his nickname in Massachusetts:
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 07:39 AM
Jan 2014

Mitt "The Shit" Romney.

The a$$hole bought all the computers from his Governor's office when he left. Classy, eh?

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
79. Be very afraid
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 09:11 AM
Jan 2014

Because all the idiots in the republican party are true believers in this teabag insanity!

If these lunatics ever regain total political power in this country again....not only will they finish the death of the middle class rayguns started...they will light the whole damn world on fire!

The other countries in this world ought to be scared shitless over a teabag led Merrica on the march with the biggest military ever seen on this earth thinking they are God's righteous and holy instrument for cleansing the earth! The MIC wants a never-ending holy war on the world! It would be great for business and I have no doubt they are angry as hell that its not happening right now!

I guarantee if Rmoney would have won the election we would be bombing Iran 24/7 right now in preparation for the biggest land invasion since D day! Or possibly we would have just nuked Iraq first.

And we would be spending billions and billions and billions in deficit spending to do it without a peep from the reich wing hate machine that starves American kids everyday and wants to destroy Social Security and medicare because hey we don't have the money!

Hey a few hundreds of thousands of tons of radioactive dust would be floating around the earth but no biggie right? Its all a myth...like global warming...amirite?

Its all liberal lie...my Randian preacher said so at church and Fox "news"and Rush says its okay so.....

Look at sites like Right Wing Watch...these fascists are calling for a military coup all the time! Praying to God for one, they want to silence all gays, libs, democrats etc with a flag wrapped around them and carrying a Bible, you betcha!

Be very afraid.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
80. Romney could win if he campaigns to the Left of Obama after the Primaries:
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 09:25 AM
Jan 2014
Romney could win if he campaigns to the Left of Obama after the Primaries:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002414194

If Mitt Romney thought he could win by running to the left of Obama, he would morph into Dennis
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125188108

The second post nailed it.


BlackM

(26 posts)
92. Thank god for Anonymous
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 11:08 AM
Jan 2014

...and their election night blocking of Rove's/GOP's "ORCA" system. Whatever you may think of Anonymous, it seems certain they prevented key states from having their election results parsed through a GOP controlled filter.

CrispyQ

(36,526 posts)
94. Some great election night pics here:
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 11:23 AM
Jan 2014
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012/11/election-night-2012-reactions-in-photos/100401/

The entire repub party is out of touch with mainstream America. It's too bad that so many in mainstream America live in the same echo chamber Romney does & don't realize it.

GoCubsGo

(32,094 posts)
130. There was a web site that featured photos from the Romney gatherings.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 06:51 PM
Jan 2014

There were pages and pages of them, all much like the ones shown here. The Romneys weren't the only ones who were deluded. So were many of their supporters.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
98. My opinion is that any Republican
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 11:43 AM
Jan 2014

on a Presidential ticket will be a clueless oaf, while any Democrat will be a ruthless corporatist. That is because progressive votes will not support an oaf who blathers like an idiot but will support a smart corporatist who talks like a populist. Wall Street favors oafs because the Republican base prefers them. They do what they're told and require only an ideological reason why. Democratic candidates, by contrast, are smarter and want to know what's actually going on and to be partners in real decision making. That makes them more difficult to manage and slightly less desirable.

Z_California

(650 posts)
100. On another note, great prose
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 12:00 PM
Jan 2014

"Yes, it would be sad to see a movie about a mentally disabled adult finding out, late in life, that Santa Claus is not real. But if that heart-breaking footage was of someone on the verge of becoming the fucking PRESIDENT it would be more than sad. It would be terrifying."

Hilarious and so true. Your writing makes me laugh and cry. Thank you.

tblue37

(65,490 posts)
109. I think he truly believed that HE was the fulfillment of the White Horse Prophecy,
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 01:29 PM
Jan 2014

whereby an LDS "messiah" would usher in theocratic governance with the LDS faithful in charge. Frankly, I don't think he really even wanted the job all that much, but he is a true believer, and if that was his destiny, he was going to step up to "serve."

Because religious faith is just that--faith, detached from, not dependent on, empirical evidence--the real world poll numbers would have seemed irrelevant, perhaps even illusions deliberately produced by the "Father of Lies" to lull the nonbelievers into foolish complacency.

I suspect that Ann did really want to be FLOTUS, which is why she was so upset, though their reported comments, in which they fretted over what would become of the country with Obama rather than Mitt in charge, do suggest that they both believed that Mitt's ascendancy to the presidency was truly necessary to save the US from some dire fate.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
112. He probably had Krazy Karl Roves assurance the he would win
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 01:49 PM
Jan 2014

with Rove believing they had Ohio and another state in their win column, believing the "fix" wopuld be successful. That is whay we say the jaw dropping of Rove when Ohio was call for Obama. Remember the Faux News scene where they questioned the Ohio results??
So yes I think he was sure he would win because of Karl Roves election thievery

KauaiK

(544 posts)
113. I truly believe Romney thought a black man could never win...
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 01:54 PM
Jan 2014

which is why he thought he had the election in the bag (that and Karl Rove). Remember, the Mormon Church would allow blacks when Romney was young.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
114. Guess he's trying to redeem himself by giving Christie the high-five! They are both delusional
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 02:17 PM
Jan 2014

one with a brain, the other without...hopefully, same outcome.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
115. Working the phones for the Obama campaign (yeah, I know) in a largely Republican
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 02:32 PM
Jan 2014

area, I had no doubt that Romney would lose. There were quite a few against the president, but nobody seemed to be FOR Romney. There was a really significant lack of support for him. Some didn't even really know who he was, or know much about him beyond his being "a rich guy."

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
116. Started watching it yesterday
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 02:51 PM
Jan 2014

but it was so boring, that I soon tired of it. He's a wonderful family man, but that's about it. Sorry Netflix, you didn't win with this one. Can't wait for House of Cards to begin again!

ffr

(22,672 posts)
118. My goal in 2014 is to get Dems to the polls so I can here these words again.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 02:57 PM
Jan 2014

"What do you make of it Chris?" Megan

"There just aren't enough republican votes out there..." Chris

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
120. If I recall, there were a bunch of DUers that weren't ready to crack the champaigne
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 03:21 PM
Jan 2014

on election day while the election was still going on... poor delusional DUers. I'm sad to see so many of us are unfit for high office.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
125. You should leave snark to people who "get" things
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:26 PM
Jan 2014

I recognize that you want to be snarky and superior on the internet, but your message is just gibberish and makes you look silly, not superior at all.

In grasping to appear superior you have exposed a personal inability to differentiate concepts like, "certain of victory," and, "uncertain of the outcome."

Not the same concept. Not even close. Truth be told... kind of opposite.

But here we are... you wanted to snark off so badly that you can't be bothered to think for a few seconds in row before disgorging your awesomeness.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
134. No, I just find someone making significant psychological judgments about a person
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 08:05 PM
Jan 2014

based on what they see in a documentary is worthy of snark.

If you think you can do such an evaluation, perhaps you might want to reevaluate whether YOU are one of the people who "get things" or not.


JHB

(37,162 posts)
129. That sort of thing can happen when you beleive the salesmen
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 06:01 PM
Jan 2014

Remember the bit about the Chinese factory in the 47% video? How he told his audience that his guide told him that the walls and wire were to keep people out?

I noticed that none of the savvy investors n his audience thought to ask "And you just believed the salesman?"

Nobody asked it, and Mitt acted like he fully accepted them to accept what he'd said. Just like for the part about the 47%.

Gothmog

(145,610 posts)
139. The fact that Romney actually believed that he was going to win is sad
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 04:59 PM
Jan 2014

I agree that Romney is not fit to be POTUS

BTW, I am afraid that the GOP may be forced to turn to Romney if Christie is indicted or if Scott Walker is defeated in 2014

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