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Peregrine Took

(7,417 posts)
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 03:18 PM Mar 2012

What could Romney do to ameliorate the "Seamus" issue?

If you were his campaign manager - what would you advise him to do to try to put this problem to bed?

I would recommend the following:

Admit he did it and say it was a terribly cruel thing to do that cannot be justified in any way. Period.

In addition, in Seamus's name and memory, he will make out a check today for ten million dollars to go to the poorest animal shelters in the country for improving their facilities and offering free neutering and spaying.

Also another ten million check for a nationwide program educating people about animal cruelty and advocating for laws across the country making animal cruelty a felony in all states.

I think that might help take some of the stink (no pun intended) from this problem.

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What could Romney do to ameliorate the "Seamus" issue? (Original Post) Peregrine Took Mar 2012 OP
At this point, likely nothing short of a time machine. Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #1
Yes but those shelters could really use that money! Peregrine Took Mar 2012 #2
Probably a gold, hot-tub one (since he's rich). nt MADem Mar 2012 #5
All of his campaign material should now include the words Morning Dew Mar 2012 #3
He can do nothing. Nothing. He's fucked on that score. MADem Mar 2012 #4
Yes but it would be a way to get the money for a good, no great, cause. Peregrine Took Mar 2012 #7
It will not help him, he will not do it. It's not a viable idea. MADem Mar 2012 #34
Maybe the scrambling thing could be explained if the dog's daddy was a tomcat? eridani Mar 2012 #49
I don't know if you remember LBJ hold Him up by the ears in 1964, but tsuki Mar 2012 #21
I remember that very clearly--he had 2 dogs that were named Him and Her. MADem Mar 2012 #31
Yeah, and that story is still around. LOL. nt tsuki Mar 2012 #43
Absolutely. jwirr Mar 2012 #32
He could put himself in a cage on top of a car Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #6
nothing, if he had admitted from the start what he did was wrong JI7 Mar 2012 #8
honestly? qazplm Mar 2012 #9
This is the All American answer to all wrongs. rgbecker Mar 2012 #10
Ya, he's opening his big, wallet - and its going right into the coffers of places that need it most. Peregrine Took Mar 2012 #13
Actually, that is the Greater Middle Eastern answer to all wrongs. MADem Mar 2012 #36
Romney needs to get the endorsement of Michael Vick and hayrow1 Mar 2012 #11
Nothing. If we win against Mittens, Seamus will be my personal martyr. UTUSN Mar 2012 #12
"I am Seamus!1" "I am Seamus!1" "I am Seamus!1" "I am Seamus!1" "I am Seamus!1" n/t UTUSN Mar 2012 #17
Convert to Episcoplianism and enter a dog in the Westminster Dog Show grantcart Mar 2012 #14
Self-deport. nt pinboy3niner Mar 2012 #15
Oh, I dunno...grow a soul? nolabear Mar 2012 #16
There's a bigger problem -- Seamus-gate reflectls as badly upon Mitt's leadership and judgment rocktivity Mar 2012 #18
I agree. If you read Feb Vanity Fair about this, what got me more than Seamus, was his rigid Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2012 #33
When he said "airtight" he was saying, I think, that it was one of those plastic crates, not one of MADem Mar 2012 #37
Make ya a 10000 dollar bet he does no such thing. n/t PCIntern Mar 2012 #19
OK, now that was funny! nt MADem Mar 2012 #38
Nothing. I remember LBJ hold Him up by his ears in 1964, and that tsuki Mar 2012 #20
Remember this one? sad sally Mar 2012 #28
No, sorry. I don't remember that one. I tried to block the W years. nt tsuki Mar 2012 #44
He could admit that he now realizes what he did was cruel and Cleita Mar 2012 #22
What Mitt did in 70's-80's with the dog would not be out of place. Basic animal CK_John Mar 2012 #23
No they weren't dsc Mar 2012 #24
The pet carrier used by the airlines are basicly the same as the 80's. nt CK_John Mar 2012 #27
Oh bull. I never once saw anyone with one of those things on their roof, and I logged a shitload of MADem Mar 2012 #39
Ignore it. briv1016 Mar 2012 #25
He should ride between campaign events on the top of his bus... n/t ThisThreadIsSatire Mar 2012 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Mar 2012 #29
I like threads like yours - even though he's our enemy put that aside and sit in Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2012 #30
I think he should slink away, never to be heard from again. Vinca Mar 2012 #35
+ 100000009 :o) opihimoimoi Mar 2012 #41
I don't know, but I would love for that to happen jsmirman Mar 2012 #40
I would love for him to give $10 Million to shelters! get the red out Mar 2012 #42
Kind of ironic isn't it. Here we have a man of wealth and fame... wandy Mar 2012 #45
'Inglourious basterds' had a great idea. AtomicKitten Mar 2012 #46
None of that ameliorate his really dumb judgement ashling Mar 2012 #47
Nothing. He can't change who he really is. He doesn't care. n/t kiranon Mar 2012 #48

Peregrine Took

(7,417 posts)
2. Yes but those shelters could really use that money!
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 03:23 PM
Mar 2012

From what I hear they are all over crowded and putting animals to sleep all over the place.

Especially in poor areas like eastern Kentucky where, even years ago, the shelters were full and the strays were out running on the interstate. I believe it was "Corbin" Kentucky. I'll never forget it.

Morning Dew

(6,539 posts)
3. All of his campaign material should now include the words
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 03:26 PM
Mar 2012
GOOGLE SANTORUM

That's all the help I'm willing to offer.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
4. He can do nothing. Nothing. He's fucked on that score.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 03:38 PM
Mar 2012

He admits it? He admits he's an idiot with incredibly poor judgment who is cruel to animals.

He makes out a check? He's a rich asshole who thinks he can buy his way out of his poor judgment and cruelty to animals. I think most people would say, pardon the expression, "Fuck that and fuck him." You can't buy your way out of animal torture.

There's no way out. Michael Vick knows that--that guy did TIME in PRISON, did community service, stood up and made a heartfelt public apology, and people still make jokes about not letting him babysit their Shitzhu.

It wouldn't surprise me if Mitt's shitty little privileged adult children dropped that "Seamus ran away when we reached Canada" bomb because those kids know that their lives will be heavily scrutinized, their freedom limited, their every movement observed, and they want to keep the story in the news, so Daddy will lose the election, and instead of being the incompetent leader of the free world, he will go on making private sector money that he will leave to their lazy, piggy asses.

Peregrine Took

(7,417 posts)
7. Yes but it would be a way to get the money for a good, no great, cause.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 03:42 PM
Mar 2012

If it helps him so what?

I want the shelters to get that money and also for animal care protection and maybe to fight factory farms, too.

Lets not cut off our noses here to spite our face.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
34. It will not help him, he will not do it. It's not a viable idea.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 05:45 PM
Mar 2012

First, he's too cheap to give that kind of money away altruistically. Second, if he gives money to animal shelters, it will be seen as "atonement" money. He cannot admit guilt, it will make him look weak. Oh, and GUILTY.

His only hope is to stonewall, to deny, to pretend that the dog was an amazingly athletic animal that could "scramble up" into his crate atop a car on his own, and that the dog enjoyed a rocking, loud, terrifyingly unbalanced 12 hour torturous, windy ride, part of which he endured soaking wet after being hosed off after shitting himself.

It won't help him. It will just call attention to his cruelty and make people KNOW that he's trying to "buy off" his critics. It will encourage people to dig deeper, and find out if Seamus really did run away as the Romney boys indicated, as soon as they arrived in Canada.

This has nothing to do with noses or faces. Romney will run naked down Fifth Avenue before he gives a shit about anyone or anything but himself. It's not in him. He's a cretin.

You want money for shelters? Hold a car wash and a bake sale. You're not getting it from Shittsy Mittsy.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
49. Maybe the scrambling thing could be explained if the dog's daddy was a tomcat?
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 04:01 AM
Mar 2012

I know what you'e thinking. He stood on a chair.

tsuki

(11,994 posts)
21. I don't know if you remember LBJ hold Him up by the ears in 1964, but
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 04:52 PM
Mar 2012

that picture and story didn't go to bed for years.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. I remember that very clearly--he had 2 dogs that were named Him and Her.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 05:37 PM
Mar 2012

And yes, it was "Him" what got lifted by his ears--happened on May 4 1964:

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
6. He could put himself in a cage on top of a car
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 03:42 PM
Mar 2012

And get driven around at high speeds until he shits himself and the roof of the car in sheer terror, and then get hosed off and get driven around some more, just to show us it is no big deal.

JI7

(89,279 posts)
8. nothing, if he had admitted from the start what he did was wrong
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 03:46 PM
Mar 2012

and regrets it then i think people would be ok. they would say he didn't know .

but there have been too many lies involved in the story. and the way he blew the whole thing off.

donating money or whatever would just come off as phony and done for his own selfish political gains.

qazplm

(3,626 posts)
9. honestly?
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 03:52 PM
Mar 2012

If I am thinking purely from a political pov? Ignore it. He could make a genuine heartfelt apology and it wouldn't help him. He'd do better politically by ignoring it, feigning outrage and indignation when it is brought up, deflecting, etc.

Now morally??

rgbecker

(4,834 posts)
10. This is the All American answer to all wrongs.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 03:54 PM
Mar 2012

Mistreat a dog...make a donation to the humane society.
Kill a bunch of innocent children...pay off the parents.
Kill innocent drivers with a car that catches fire like a tinder box...pay off the estate.

Romney will fit right in. And it would be a miracle if he did as you suggested....which I hope he does.

Peregrine Took

(7,417 posts)
13. Ya, he's opening his big, wallet - and its going right into the coffers of places that need it most.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 04:06 PM
Mar 2012

And that makes me happy.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
36. Actually, that is the Greater Middle Eastern answer to all wrongs.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 05:50 PM
Mar 2012

And no, I am not kidding. Apologies and money work brilliantly over that way.

You can avoid jail if the blood money paid is sufficient and the apology is heartfelt.

You can even be forgiven if the circumstances support it.

Romney will never part with a dime for animal shelters. Not happening.

 

hayrow1

(198 posts)
11. Romney needs to get the endorsement of Michael Vick and
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 03:57 PM
Mar 2012

begin filming commercials with the rehabilitated Michael Vick, stating, unlike Michael Vick's victims, Seamus had no chance, so Romney is an even tougher hombre than Vick.

Karl Rove would have him make this perceived disaster a strength.

UTUSN

(70,762 posts)
12. Nothing. If we win against Mittens, Seamus will be my personal martyr.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 03:57 PM
Mar 2012

Plus, if Mittens has dogs NOW or if he gets them in future photo ops, the dogs will RISE again, over and over.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
14. Convert to Episcoplianism and enter a dog in the Westminster Dog Show
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 04:09 PM
Mar 2012

It would fix the Seamus problem but he would lose Utah which right now is about his only really safe state.

Those Episcopals are well known for lavishing gifts on their dogs.

rocktivity

(44,580 posts)
18. There's a bigger problem -- Seamus-gate reflectls as badly upon Mitt's leadership and judgment
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 04:26 PM
Mar 2012

as it does his character.

He tried to defend himself by explaining that the dog carrier had been "airtight." Which means that either the dog suffocated, or shouldn't have been ABLE to soil the back window of their car!

Keith Olbermann describes Mitt as "stepping on one rake after another." And that's not desirable in a leader of any kind.


rocktivity

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
33. I agree. If you read Feb Vanity Fair about this, what got me more than Seamus, was his rigid
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 05:39 PM
Mar 2012

authoritarianism. His sons said he mapped the trip out (Boston to Ontario) and picked places
where he would stop for gas. Then he warned the kids that that would be the absolute
ONLY stops - no exceptions.

As it turned out, the only other time he ended up stopping was when Seamus pooped and it
ran down the back window.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
37. When he said "airtight" he was saying, I think, that it was one of those plastic crates, not one of
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 05:53 PM
Mar 2012

the open wire ones.

He's just a stupid asshole who was cruel to a dog, was pleased with himself about it, realized he fucked up, so he bullshitted and lied some more to try to mitigate his cruelty. The "rake stepping" analogy is right on the mark.

tsuki

(11,994 posts)
20. Nothing. I remember LBJ hold Him up by his ears in 1964, and that
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 04:50 PM
Mar 2012

picture and comments went on for years.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
22. He could admit that he now realizes what he did was cruel and
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 04:56 PM
Mar 2012

inhumane. Then there are hundreds of animal charities that rescue abused animals out there, which he could make some generous donations too. Finally, he should agree to get some counseling on how sentient animals are to be treated. I don't know if this would be enough, but it sure is better than what he is doing now, defending his callousness and trying to justify why he did it.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
23. What Mitt did in 70's-80's with the dog would not be out of place. Basic animal
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 05:00 PM
Mar 2012

carrier used by airlines today were roof mounted like ski racks back then. Not often but not unusual either.

dsc

(52,169 posts)
24. No they weren't
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 05:04 PM
Mar 2012

that is nothing short of absurd. No airline ever flew with any carrier mounted anywhere.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
39. Oh bull. I never once saw anyone with one of those things on their roof, and I logged a shitload of
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 05:55 PM
Mar 2012

highway miles in the eighties.

The only thing I saw on roofs was skis and luggage racks--not dogs. Dogs rode INSIDE, even back then.

briv1016

(1,570 posts)
25. Ignore it.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 05:05 PM
Mar 2012

You know Fox will never bring it up and that's the only audience he needs for the nomination. In the general they'll just call it old news.

Response to Peregrine Took (Original post)

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
30. I like threads like yours - even though he's our enemy put that aside and sit in
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 05:35 PM
Mar 2012

his shoes.

But, to be honest, I would have to agree - there is nothing that wouldn't look
disingenuous.


jsmirman

(4,507 posts)
40. I don't know, but I would love for that to happen
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 05:58 PM
Mar 2012

It would be a great, great thing.

And it would still be a great thing for reputational rehabilitation even after the election!

get the red out

(13,468 posts)
42. I would love for him to give $10 Million to shelters!
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 06:21 PM
Mar 2012

But I would also know that he only did it for a political campaign so I would still see him as totally incapable of empathy, and a complete selfish asshole.

wandy

(3,539 posts)
45. Kind of ironic isn't it. Here we have a man of wealth and fame...
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 08:53 PM
Mar 2012

A man who 'likes to fire people'. The type of corporate vulture that brought America to it's knees. A rich boy blue blood having less in common with you or I than we have with ducks. And the most likely reason that this vermin will not be the next president is a dog.


Got nothing aginst dogs. It was a bad thing. But what would he do with the rest of us.
 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
46. 'Inglourious basterds' had a great idea.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 08:59 PM
Mar 2012

Brad Pitt could carve a dog into R-Money's forehead so he'll forever carry the shame.

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