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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIn the 1930s American Nazis built a huge bunker for Hitler in Los Angeles. Am I the only one
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who never knew this? Does anyone know the names of the people who financed the bunker and what happened to them after the war?
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It sounds like the bizzare script of a Hollywood B-movie.
In a parallel universe the Nazis have won the war, Adolf Hitler moves to LA where he mingles with the stars of the silver screen while running his evil empire from a luxurious ranch deep in the LA hills.
But during the 1930s, American sympathisers were so confident this exact scenario was actually going happen they spent millions building a deluxe compound ready for their fuhrer's imminent arrival.
Equipped with a diesel power plant, 375,000 gallon concrete water tank , giant meat locker, 22 bedrooms and even a bomb shelter, the heavily guarded estate was home to a community of Hollywood fascists who hoped to ride out the war there.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2116684/Hitlers-Los-Angeles-bunker-planned-run-Nazi-empire-war.html#ixzz1pVNTGItx
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Trillo
(9,154 posts)also nestled in the hills of that general area. I heard they had a little radiation accident there late 1950s or thereabouts. Supposedly, the radiation is not yet fully cleaned up, in spite of lots and lots of money allocated and spent to do just that.
randome
(34,845 posts)Coming out sometime this year.
The Nazis have been hiding on the Moon since the close of WWII and in 2018, they invade the Earth!
Indie-movie heaven!
kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)Uncle Adolf would never hear of a bunker heated by solar power.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 18, 2012, 08:42 PM - Edit history (1)
A: Photo op, like shrubby "clearing brush"on the pig ranch.
Is imbecile Reagan supposed to be splitting that piece of wood? Why is there no more split wood or wood to be split? Can somebody help?
kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)"Then go after them with an axe."
--Republican Party motto
Adopted June 19, 1900 National Convention of the Republican Party of the United States, Exposition Hall Philadelphia PA.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)50 Americans were?
Enrique
(27,461 posts)not just a slam, the American fascists were just like the Tea Party now, a far right-wing movement funded by huge corporations, but with a populist and racist message.
lastlib
(23,339 posts)GAWD, I hate those evil bastards!
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)intaglio
(8,170 posts)Rothermere, the proprietor of the Mail in the 30's, was a full on fascist sympathiser and had the Daily Mail publish puff pieces about the Fuhrer.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Well. Someone's got to stop the commies.
Uh. Terrorists.
Rex
(65,616 posts)RWR the first GWB.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Old news to you, Rex. Blows the minds of most people hearing it for the first time.
Rex
(65,616 posts)and won't know as long as Congress (with an approval rating of dogshit) keeps records hidden away for political reasons that has nothing to do with national security. Or whitewash an event that we will never have all the information on. With nothing to do with national security and just stupid actions that needed to be caught and corrected before they went on.
How many people know The High Power Moon sat in Congress with his wife and was baptized our New Lord and Savior?
George is happy, he got what he wanted didn't he? So did his son.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)...writing about "hypotheticals" of course:
Control over the flow of information emanating from the political center will be our most important weapon in establishing our authority after the coup. -- Edward Luttwak, "Coup DEtat A Practical Hanbook," Penguin, 1968, p. 117.
Which explains this wonderful peak behind the curtain from Carl Bernstein:
CIA and the Media
As did Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho), who warned us:
That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesnt matter. There would be no place to hide. If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.
"I dont want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.
[link:Frank Church and the Abyss of Warrantless Wiretapping|That was 1976]. Loads o' interesting times since then, Friend snagglepuss. Too bad Corporate McPravda doesn't see fit to tell us about them.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)the most I was able to find was this recent article. I checked you tube too, I though someone might have posted a video, because judging by all of the graffiti it must be accessible. Weird, really weird.
Tumbulu
(6,292 posts)so many weird things go on.......yikes.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I for one welcome our new Internet Overlord.
gateley
(62,683 posts)Other things when you Google, too -- this is the first one I pulled up.
From the piece:
II. THEIR AIMS
/
The Silver Shirts state that they are a Protestant Christian movement,
for bringing on the new Christ government, through a strictly Christian Mili-1^
tia, this government to be administered by people of the Christian faith and
Silver Shirt ideals.
They claim that President Franklin D. Roosevelt has set aside the Constitution,
which they desire to restore.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Swap a few names and we could be talking 2009.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)the US into "Colossus Corporation" deserves it's own thread.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)[92]
When Nazi administrators went on trial for war crimes in Nuremberg after World War II, they justified the mass sterilizations (over 450,000 in less than a decade) by citing the United States as their inspiration.[75] The Nazis had claimed American eugenicists inspired and supported Hitler's racial purification laws, and failed to understand the connection between those policies and the eventual genocide of the Holocaust.
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics#United_Kingdom
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)and drove it into the ground?
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)Edwin Black
Mr. Black is the author of IBM and the Holocaust and the just released War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race, from which the following article is drawn.
Hitler and his henchmen victimized an entire continent and exterminated millions in his quest for a co-called "Master Race."
But the concept of a white, blond-haired, blue-eyed master Nordic race didn't originate with Hitler. The idea was created in the United States, and cultivated in California, decades before Hitler came to power. California eugenicists played an important, although little known, role in the American eugenics movement's campaign for ethnic cleansing.
Eugenics was the racist pseudoscience determined to wipe away all human beings deemed "unfit," preserving only those who conformed to a Nordic stereotype. Elements of the philosophy were enshrined as national policy by forced sterilization and segregation laws, as well as marriage restrictions, enacted in twenty-seven states. In 1909, California became the third state to adopt such laws. Ultimately, eugenics practitioners coercively sterilized some 60,000 Americans, barred the marriage of thousands, forcibly segregated thousands in "colonies," and persecuted untold numbers in ways we are just learning. Before World War II, nearly half of coercive sterilizations were done in California, and even after the war, the state accounted for a third of all such surgeries.
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During the Reich's early years, eugenicists across America welcomed Hitler's plans as the logical fulfillment of their own decades of research and effort. California eugenicists republished Nazi propaganda for American consumption. They also arranged for Nazi scientific exhibits, such as an August 1934 display at the L.A. County Museum, for the annual meeting of the American Public Health Association.
In 1934, as Germany's sterilizations were accelerating beyond 5,000 per month, the California eugenics leader C. M. Goethe upon returning from Germany ebulliently bragged to a key colleague, "You will be interested to know, that your work has played a powerful part in shaping the opinions of the group of intellectuals who are behind Hitler in this epoch-making program. Everywhere I sensed that their opinions have been tremendously stimulated by American thought. I want you, my dear friend, to carry this thought with you for the rest of your life, that you have really jolted into action a great government of 60 million people."
More: http://hnn.us/articles/1796.html
WillyT
(72,631 posts)ellisonz
(27,711 posts)Check out the history groups:
American History
World History
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)Piss on the ghosts of the Nazis and their sympathizers.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)Bulldozing for a picnic area is a convenient and friendly way of whitewashing history.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(72,382 posts)Gold Metal Flake
(13,805 posts)The Google is not helping.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)Mandeville Canyon Rd, or somewhere in that area? I biked through it a long time ago. I recall that it's next to a creek and behind a creepy looking wrought iron gate off of the main road.
On edit: It's Rustic Canyon
http://articles.latimes.com/1990-11-18/local/me-6808_1_rustic-canyon
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)That there was no investigation after the war to root out Hitler sympathizers in the US speaks volumes. It also seems unlikely that just one American couple funded this project - $4 million in the 30s was astronomical.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)for example, National Socialists were responsible for creating the Pledge of Allegiance and placing the flag in American school rooms. Prior to Hitler coming to power, children saluted the flag with something resembling a Nazi salute:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bellamy_salute_1.jpg
On Edit:
Edward Bellamy wrote "Looking Backward"
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0199552576/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2/186-0909784-1293032?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_r=0V6W0649760P8E070EV6&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_i=0836951115
"There is a great sense in Bellamy's writing that social Darwinism plays a significant role. Clearly there is an idea of eugenics (reminiscent of the Oneida community) where the bad parts of society are simply bread out of society. "Like the social Darwinists of his day, Bellamy viewed character traits as inborn and believed that the morally as well as the physically unfit must be weeded out if human beings were to evolve to a higher state." (Strauss, 76) What must be addressed about this particular work is the influence that it exhibited on other writers in Bellamy's day and after."
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)"Hiking to Murphy Ranch "Nazi Ruins" in Rustic Canyon"
http://www.examiner.com/outdoor-recreation-in-los-angeles/hiking-to-murphy-ranch-nazi-ruins-rustic-canyon
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)He died in 1965 and he said his day of ultimate victory would comeon SEPTEMBER 17, 2001...pretty dang close!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Dudley_Pelley
HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)and that he had plans to live in the US really struck home.
rfranklin
(13,200 posts)convinced that Jesus was going to return to Earth if only they could convert all the Jews into evangelistic Christians.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)From William Dudley Pelley: a life in right-wing extremism and the occult by Scott Beekman
The activities of Pelley's California-based actionist boys sparked the first governmental investigation into Silver Shirt activities. The Anti-Radical Squad of the LA Police maintained an ongoing investigation of Silver Shirt branches in the city. Concerned by the fiery rhetoric of Willard Kemp, the San Diego police had also begun monitoring local Silver Shirt meetings. (Beekman, 105)
Willard Kemp, leader of the San Diego group, was nothing if not a man of action. Not content to get bogged down in the writings of William Pelley, he preferred instead to prepare for armed struggle against Communist invaders. Arming his 200 followers with rifles allegedly procured from unscrupulous attendants at North Island Naval Base armory, he drilled them at a well-guarded ranch near El Cajon. To ensure that his men received top-notch training, Kemp hired two Marine Corps drill instructors, Virgil Hayes and Edward T. Grey, and allegedly offered to buy any stolen weapons the two Marines were able to get their hands on. (Beekman, 104)
Two U.S. Marines, Virgil Hayes and Edward T. Grey, had infiltrated the organization in San Diego and when Kemp attempted to buy stolen weapons from them, they reported their findings to Naval Intelligence. These reports reached the attention of several U.S. Congressmen as a result. (Beekman, 105)
Concern about the rise of the Silver Shirts was one of the factors that led Congressman Samuel Dickstein to propose the formation of an investigative committee. (Beekman, 105)
For those unfamiliar with Dickstein's committee, it was better known as the McCormack-Dickstein Committee. Its original goal was to investigate incidents of home-grown fascism and anti-Semitism. Two-time Congressional Medal of Honor winner General Smedley Butler's explosive testimony about the alleged "Business Plot" occurred in this committee. Ironically, the committee was subverted and morphed into the notorious Red-baiting House Un-American Activities Committee.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)General Smedley Butler but not about the Silver Shirts nor the association of the occult with American RW extremism.
AnotherDreamWeaver
(2,852 posts)But I thank you and everyone who added info to this thread. Another DU education.