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kpete

(71,998 posts)
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:58 PM Jan 2014

Krugman nails it. The far right and the billionaires will only accept total surrender. No compromise

JANUARY 30, 2014, 5:38 PM
Godwin Help Us

Not my line, alas — Jonathan Chait uses it as the excerpt for his report on the WSJ’s editorial defending Tom Perkins, now famed for comparing criticism of the one percent to Kristallnacht. And boy, am I jealous.

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Slightly more seriously: the attitude of that WSJ editorial brought to mind Lincoln’s description of the attitude of Southern politicians in his Cooper Union speech. Obligatory declaration: I am not saying that a high income share for the top one percent is anything like slavery. The similarity lies not in what is being defended, but in the demands of those feeling insecure — namely, that any form of criticism be banned.


Lincoln:

These natural, and apparently adequate means all failing, what will convince them? This, and this only: cease to call slavery wrong, and join them in calling it right. And this must be done thoroughly – done in acts as well as in words. Silence will not be tolerated – we must place ourselves avowedly with them … The whole atmosphere must be disinfected from all taint of opposition to slavery, before they will cease to believe that all their troubles proceed from us.


Yep. Until we all declare that the one percent is the source of all good, until all mention of inequality as a potentially troubling thing is expunged from public discussion, the rich are being persecuted by totalitarian liberals.



http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/01/30/godwin-help-us/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_php=true&_type=blogs&module=BlogPost-Title&version=Blog%20Main&contentCollection=Opinion&action=Click&pgtype=Blogs%C2%AEion=Body&_r=1&
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/01/wsj-obama-isnt-hitler-but-hes-pretty-hitler-y.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/30/1273837/-Krugman-Godwin-Help-Us


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Krugman nails it. The far right and the billionaires will only accept total surrender. No compromise (Original Post) kpete Jan 2014 OP
Paranoia strikes deep. moondust Jan 2014 #1
Good insight. anAustralianobserver Jan 2014 #15
Maybe. moondust Jan 2014 #21
Yeah, maybe it's a vicious circle between greed and fear. anAustralianobserver Jan 2014 #24
If the one percenters think this is bad, wait until the majority of American find out their problem okaawhatever Jan 2014 #2
Ummmm, Obama is on their team more than ours, IMHO. Example: 10.10/hr insead of $22. grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #3
Which do you think has the most chance of being enacted? Hekate Jan 2014 #6
Either. It's an executive order, not passed through Congress. These are workers who will be hired grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #9
They're the common enemy that would destroy the whole left. TheMathieu Jan 2014 #4
The problem is they have a psychological disorder, like the hoarding disease, only they hoard money. grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #5
You have precisely diagnosed their sickness. But, I have no idea how we can "cure" ladjf Jan 2014 #8
Intervention, aka taxes. grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #10
That would work if we could pass the tax laws. nt ladjf Jan 2014 #30
A money addiction is basically the same as any other addiction. Half-Century Man Jan 2014 #13
I have freinds with hundreds of millions of dollars. It makes them paranoid and unable to trust grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #31
Damn! Phlem Jan 2014 #7
The President of MSNBC is one of them that surrendered. Iliyah Jan 2014 #11
I won't go down without mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #12
"complaining" about high income share is like lynchings in the deep south Agony Jan 2014 #14
100% agree. SoapBox Jan 2014 #16
Personally, dinger130 Jan 2014 #17
Actually, I always thought of her as a sweet-natured heroine Glorfindel Jan 2014 #20
I don't think Dickons Did either. malletgirl02 Jan 2014 #26
well she was going to kill a child DonCoquixote Jan 2014 #27
Great point he makes about intimidating the free public discussion of inequality. anAustralianobserver Jan 2014 #18
Over my dead body will there be surrender to the rich, richer and richest! democratisphere Jan 2014 #19
Before the Koch brothers there were the Hunt Brothers kmlisle Jan 2014 #22
"Resistance is futile." blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #23
Right Wingers really believe supply side would work if it weren't for our lack of faith. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #25
The Far Right has taken the measure of its opposition... Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #28
no, Krugman misses it hfojvt Jan 2014 #29

moondust

(19,993 posts)
1. Paranoia strikes deep.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:31 PM
Jan 2014

There's probably a causal relationship between how much grotesque excess somebody has and how paranoid they are. More assets --> more to protect --> more distrust and paranoia.

"You're kissing our asses and thanking us for it...or you're against us!"

moondust

(19,993 posts)
21. Maybe.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:41 PM
Jan 2014

Although some people obviously do a lot of evil just trying to accumulate the kind of wealth that might cause them to be super-paranoid.

24. Yeah, maybe it's a vicious circle between greed and fear.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:58 PM
Jan 2014

"You're kissing our asses and thanking us for it...or you're against us!" sums up the article pretty well!

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
2. If the one percenters think this is bad, wait until the majority of American find out their problem
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:39 PM
Jan 2014

isn't Obama, it's these guys. The bought and paid for media can only delay the voters from finding out the truth, not completely stop them. Then they'll really be pissed....

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
9. Either. It's an executive order, not passed through Congress. These are workers who will be hired
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:23 PM
Jan 2014

through new Federal contracts. He can set the rate as he likes. $10.10 is $21,000/yr, which puts a family of four in poverty.

For a worker contracted to the Federal government, I think it's completely unacceptable.

$22 is $46,000.

 

TheMathieu

(456 posts)
4. They're the common enemy that would destroy the whole left.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:59 PM
Jan 2014

We must remember that, even while we bicker amongst ourselves.

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
5. The problem is they have a psychological disorder, like the hoarding disease, only they hoard money.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:59 PM
Jan 2014

It is our job to cure them for their own good

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
13. A money addiction is basically the same as any other addiction.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:42 PM
Jan 2014

You do not treat an addict by allowing them unrestricted access to their "drug" of choice. But, money is not inherently lethal for the user, the lack of money available for others by the hoarding of the addict is the problem.
So....I don't know; I'm not a doctor.
But I do believe your right to flail your arms around ends at my nose.

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
31. I have freinds with hundreds of millions of dollars. It makes them paranoid and unable to trust
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:08 PM
Jan 2014

anyone. Really, it's not healthy, just look at the Walton's or the Koch's.

Course, my freinds are Dems... and not one of them complains about taxes.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
11. The President of MSNBC is one of them that surrendered.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:31 PM
Jan 2014

My way or no way - GOP

Even the latest immigration bill from the house show total contempt. Only the well to do immigration person should afford that total crapola.

mstinamotorcity2

(1,451 posts)
12. I won't go down without
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:35 PM
Jan 2014

a fight. I may not win but I damn sure die trying. The people of this Country are worth it to me. To help them is to help myself and the ones I love plain and simple.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
14. "complaining" about high income share is like lynchings in the deep south
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:55 PM
Jan 2014

you can't make this shit up...

"In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, AIG CEO Bob Benmosche came out with the worst analogy for the 2009 financial crisis. Benmosche compared public outrage over AIG’s bonuses to the Deep South lynching African-Americans. “It was just as bad and just as wrong,” he said, because employees were used to a certain way of living:"

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/09/24/2671131/aig-bonus-outrage-lynching/

Agony

Glorfindel

(9,732 posts)
20. Actually, I always thought of her as a sweet-natured heroine
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:31 PM
Jan 2014

with a disposition, if anything, far too forgiving of those who had wronged her and hers.

malletgirl02

(1,523 posts)
26. I don't think Dickons Did either.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:32 AM
Jan 2014

Yes she was fueled by revenged, but she was greatly wrong. She was given a sypathtic back story. In addition, until his daughter married Charles Darney, the good doctor felt the same way. It is his written statement in which he wrote in blood while he was in the Bastile which damns Darney/Everymode. Dickons gave Defarge a great deal of just justification.

18. Great point he makes about intimidating the free public discussion of inequality.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:25 PM
Jan 2014

On a related note: Using the ambiguous term 'inequality' in this type of discussion necessitates distinguishing between income inequality and opportunity inequality.

To save time arguing over some of the ambiguities, you can append the word 'fairness' to terms like 'income' and 'wealth distribution' - ie 'income fairness', 'wealth distribution fairness'.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
19. Over my dead body will there be surrender to the rich, richer and richest!
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:29 PM
Jan 2014

It is time to push back.....REAL HARD!

kmlisle

(276 posts)
22. Before the Koch brothers there were the Hunt Brothers
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:43 PM
Jan 2014

Founding Fathers of the John Birch Society. Sons of bigamist, poker player, oil man and billionaire HL Hunt. And yes they are characters from the series Dallas.

Billionaires who sold their oil to North Vietnam during the Vietnamese Military action. And we stopped bombing the harbors when their ships came in under a foreign flag.

Caught in the 80s and fined for manipulating and destabilizing the world silver market and not paying taxes and declared bankruptcy.

Involved in oil fields in Libya and Iraq. Their oil deal with the Kurds of Northern Iraq threatened to destabilize the newly formed Iraqi government. Conservative political activists and major Supporters of the Bush Family

Recently have remade their billions on the Bakken Oil fields in North Dakota.

I read years ago about how they repeatedly stole oil revenues from their poorer neighbors living on tribal land and were repeatedly caught. On the third time in court the judge asked why they kept trying to cheat them out of their oil revenues. One of the brothers responded that they were entitled to any money they could take from anyone. This is a good way to get a sense of at least some of the 1%. Entitled psychopaths.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
28. The Far Right has taken the measure of its opposition...
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 04:01 AM
Jan 2014

and found there is little and, in any case, easily rolled. It is more concerned with consolidation of power and assets than with a nattering buzz in its ear.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
29. no, Krugman misses it
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 04:11 AM
Jan 2014

if we get rid of the legendary 1%, we will not suddenly eliminate inequality.

The top 24% get far more of the pie than the bottom 50% do. In fact, they get more than the bottom 75% do.

That is, the top 25% without the top 1%.

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