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by Glen Ford
Published on Friday, January 31, 2014 by Black Agenda Report
EXCERPT...
Barack Obama, who has presided over the sharpest increases in economic inequality in U.S. history, adopts the persona of public advocate, reciting wrongs inflicted by unseen and unknown forces that have deepened the gap between the rich and the rest of us and stalled upward mobility. Having spent half a decade stuffing tens of trillions of dollars into the accounts of an ever shrinking gaggle of financial capitalists, Obama declares this to be a year of action in the opposite direction. Believe it. And if you do believe it, then crown him the Most Effective Liar of the young century.
Lies of omission are even more despicable than the overt variety, because they hide. The potentially most devastating Obama contribution to economic inequality is being crafted in secret by hundreds of corporate lobbyists and lawyers and their revolving-door counterparts in government. The Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade deal, described as NAFTA on steroids, would accelerate the global Race to the Bottom that has made a wasteland of American manufacturing, plunging the working class into levels of poverty and insecurity without parallel in most peoples lifetimes, and totally eviscerating the meager gains of three generations of African Americans. Yet, the closest Obama came to even an oblique allusion to his great crime-in-the-making, was to announce that new trade partnerships with Europe and the Asia-Pacific will help (small businesses) create even more jobs. We need to work together on tools like bipartisan trade promotion authority to protect our workers, protect our environment and open new markets to new goods stamped Made in the USA." Like NAFTA twenty years ago only far bigger and more diabolically destructive TPP will have the opposite effect, destroying millions more jobs and further deepening worker insecurity. The Trans Pacific Partnership expands the legal basis for global economic inequalities which is why the negotiations are secret, and why the treatys name could not be spoken in the State of the Union address. It is a lie of omission of global proportions. Give Obama his crown.
SNIP...
What is Obamas jobs program? It is the same as laid out at last years State of the Union, and elaborated on last summer: lower business taxes and higher business subsidies. When you say jobs, he says tax cuts just like the Republicans, only Obama first cites the pain of the unemployed, so that you know he cares. Both Democrats and Republicans have argued that our tax code is riddled with wasteful, complicated loopholes that punish businesses investing here, and reward companies that keep profits abroad. Let's flip that equation. Let's work together to close those loopholes, end those incentives to ship jobs overseas, and lower tax rates for businesses that create jobs right here at home. Actually, Obama wants to lower tax rates for all corporations to 28 percent, from 35 percent, as part of his ongoing quest for a Grand Bargain with Republicans. For Obama, the way to bring jobs back to the U.S. is to make American taxes and wages more competitive in the global marketplace the Race to the Bottom.
In the final analysis, the sympathetic corporate Democrat and the arrogant corporate Republican offer only small variations on the same menu: ever increasing austerity. Obama bragged about reducing the deficit, never acknowledging that this has been accomplished on the backs of the poor, contributing mightily to economic inequality and social insecurity.
CONTINUED...
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/01/31-2
PS: Mr. Ford reminds us we must see the Big Picture, even if it doesn't show us what we hoped it would.
tridim
(45,358 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)Obama is beholden to the big money of Wall Street and corporations. He talks good, but his actions leaves something to be desired.
In other words, Obama is working for the Big Club, and we ain't in that club.
That's the nature of the American political system. It will be the case regardless of who is president, as long as the campaign finance system remains the way it is. Who could possibly expect that he wouldn't be beholden to financial interests? It makes me wonder how people can have so little understanding of the country they live in. You have a pretty low bar for what constitutes insight.
RC
(25,592 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)and doesn't explain how you could possibly expect he wouldn't be beholden to moneyed interests.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)system is now so corrupted by money that the interests of the people cannot be a priority and we should just stop talking about and keep on doing the same thing, ensuring it will get even worse?
Like the TPP, we should not point out that the Democrat we elected to stop this kind of thing, is supporting it.
Good expecting people to be silent about these issues. It's never going to happen.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)the poster was advocating finance reform....not acceptance.
The fact that you constantly try to paint people into a corner by deliberatly misleading and mis reading posts is so fucking typical.
BTW did you ever fess up about the Snowden-passport revoked timeline lie you were promoting?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Snowden in Russia?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)attempting to play 'gotcha' games with issues that are seriously affecting the people of this country, don't like it when no one plays their games is tiresome.
Then the whining that their games aren't working, when people remain focused on the real issues despite all the efforts to prevent that from happening. That too has become so old.
The US Government trapped Snowden in Russia and a whole lot of people want to know why. They are curious as to why a Government, claiming they fear that someone is a Russian Spy, would send that person 'safely home'??
It's an excellent question. And I see the Republican moron, Rogers who made the spurious allegations, is still in hiding, unable to answer these questions. And if he thinks we will forget when he finally emerges, he's wrong. He made an allegation, journalists and others asked him proof and he instantly disappeared.
You jumped in here, dragged something from another thread over to this one, thinking no doubt you could play that game and didn't like it when you didn't succeed.
Because all you did was to remind people that we still have no answer as to why the US Govt trapped someone they allege is a traitor, maybe even a spy, would send him home safely.
Titonwan
(785 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)I expect people to understand the issue and address it rather than imagining it is all the fault of a single President. If not, you'll find yourselves every bit as frustrated the rest of your lives, like in the movie Groundhog Day.
clarice
(5,504 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)cha-ching!
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)if that's what you prefer.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)If you agree with the poster why respond like that?
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)but I wasn't sure I didn't just imagine that was the subtext.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)I do not agree with the poster. Going on about Obama being beholden to moneyed interests is like complaining about the sky being blue. The system is designed that way, and every single President in modern history has been beholden to corporate interests. Pretending it is all about one man makes no sense to me. It's also unproductive because if people imagine they will get a president who isn't beholden to moneyed interests under the current campaign finance system, they are fooling themselves. People complain about what is a constant in American politics, and attribute it all to individuals like Obama and Clinton. You can be sure every President in the future will represent financial interests, as has every president in American history. This is a capitalist nation, and the government is designed to promote capital. Why people think that only began in 2009, I have no idea. At a certain point, you have to figure out that national mythology of government for the people is just that--mythology. Any change would require forcing congress and the President to act, and taking the influence of big money out of the system also depends on change in the Supreme Court. There is no political messiah ready to descend to save America from its nature. History shows that governments only respond to popular interests when they have no choice, when they are forced to do so by widespread popular pressure. Systemic change is not bestowed by benevolent rulers.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)I do not agree with the poster. Going on about Obama being beholden to moneyed interests is like complaining about the sky being blue. The system is designed that way, and every single President in modern history has been beholden to corporate interests. Pretending it is all about one man makes no sense to me. It's also unproductive because if people imagine they will get a president who isn't beholden to moneyed interests under the current campaign finance system, they are fooling themselves. People complain about what is a constant in American politics, and attribute it all to individuals like Obama and Clinton. You can be sure every President in the future will represent moneyed interests, as has every president in American history. This is a capitalist nation and the government's is designed to promote capital. Why people think that only began in 2009, I have no idea. So if people want to spend their time pretending it's all Obama or the next President's fault, that is their choice, but to get ticked off when someone points out that it is far more pervasive is ridiculous. At a certain point, one has to figure out that national mythology of government for the people is just that--mythology. Any change would require forcing congress and the President to act, and campaign finance reform also depends on change in the Supreme Court. There is no political messiah ready to descend to save America from its nature. History shows that government only responds to popular interests when they have no choice but to do so, when they are forced to do so by widespread popular pressure. Systemic change is not bestowed by benevolent rulers.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Oh wait....
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)Extending bu$h's tax cuts, some twice. The Chained CPI. The drone war on innocents. The full list is really quite long.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)That (D) makes all the difference in the world.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)You have a low bar. Look..Ford's been posting racist screeds against the President for years now...anyone who take his vitriol seriously is foolish.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2007/06/14/obama-s-siren-song/
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Here's an example of facts that support Mr. Ford's arguments:
JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon gets 74 percent pay raise
By Andre Damon
WSWS.org, 27 January 2014
JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon has been awarded $20 million in pay for 2013, an increase of 74 percent from the previous year, the bank revealed in a filing Friday. Dimon has been at the center of a web of scandals resulting from JPMorgans criminal activities, which led the bank to make more than $20 billion in legal payouts in 2013.
In the past year, JPMorgan, the biggest US bank, has settled charges that it was an accomplice in Bernie Madoffs $20 billion Ponzi scheme, that it filed false reports to conceal over $6 billion in derivatives losses, that it sold toxic mortgage-backed securities on false pretenses, and that it manipulated energy prices, defrauded credit card customers and forged home foreclosure documents. As a result of these settlements, the bank posted a loss in the third quarter of 2013, its first quarterly loss since 2004, and reported a profit for the entire year of $17.9 billion, down by over 15 percent from 2012.
SNIP...
JPMorgans board and major shareholders no doubt wanted to thank Dimon for his services in settling a dizzying array of investigations on the basis of cash settlements that posed no fundamental threat to the bank.
* On January 7, 2014, JPMorgan agreed to pay $2.05 billion in fines and penalties to settle charges that it was complicit in Madoffs Ponzi scheme.
* In November of 2013, the bank agreed to pay $13 billion (the actual cash penalty will be substantially less) to settle charges that it defrauded investors by selling toxic mortgage-backed securities in the run-up to the collapse of the housing bubble in 2007 and 2008.
* That same month, JPMorgan paid $4.5 billion to settle charges that it defrauded pension funds and other institutional investors to whom it sold mortgage bonds.
* In September of 2013, JPMorgan paid another $390 million in refunds and $80 million in penalties for billing credit card clients for identity theft protection they did not receive.
* Also in September, JPMorgan paid $920 million to settle the US probe into the London whale trading and accounting scandal.
* In July of 2013, JPMorgan paid $410 million to settle charges that it manipulated electricity markets in California and other states.
* In January of 2013, JPMorgan, along with nine other banks, agreed to pay a combined $8.5 billion to settle a probe into wholesale violations of the law in relation to home foreclosure documents and procedures.
The bank is currently under investigation for its role in the Libor scandal, in which it and other major international banks illegally manipulated the worlds benchmark interest rate to increase their profits. It is also under investigation for bribing officials in China.
CONTINUED...
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/01/27/dimo-j27.html
Glen Ford is many things, including leading a light in progressive intellectual circles. Long before I had heard of Barack Obama, Mr. Ford was fighting the good fight for peace, civil and economic rights.
tridim
(45,358 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)That's a good way to be, especially if there was nothing else you needed to know.
cali
(114,904 posts)counter the facts presented.
Yes, it's harsh and you can argue about what motivates Obama, but the facts about the economic winners and losers during his tenure can't be honestly argued.
That he wanted the TPP and TPIP can't be argued. And both the process and leaked chapters reflect deep corporate involvement.
Yes, that article is harsh. I think that author is gven to being overly dramatic, but what facts in the article are false?
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And you need to be truthful when you tell it...and dramatic to get the attention of the people living and believing in the lie.
K&R.
obxhead
(8,434 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Seems like you are responding to me.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Everyone remember this line for future dialogue with this member.
Just copy and paste it in your reply.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)wrote the article?
tridim
(45,358 posts)I don't support or reject anything that doesn't yet exist.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)enter into a discussion. You can't discuss something with someone who refuses to say where they stand. I'm about ISSUES, seems a lot of the discussion from those who appear to be reluctant to state where they stand, is about Politicians. So I'd like to keep the focus on the ISSUE which is a very serious one.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Pres Obama's current position is.
I remember them being in quite a quandary over indefinite detention. They wouldnt commit on that either. I mean, either you favor or oppose. But they werent sure what the President's actual stand was so they were afraid to commit.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)trying to grab it but it keeps slipping from your hands, each time trying to keep it from going over the edge and back into the sea.
I don't know why...
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And against the anti-democratic back room deals with health insurance companies while refusing to listen to single-payer proponents?
Good to know.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Are you defending him?
Sid
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Obama and Penny Pritzker's position is. Just a hunch. Dont ask them to elaborate.
Penny Pritzker, the Democrat's Mit Romney. One World Economy, One World Government.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)It seems they prefer not to be which might be because, as you say, they are waiting to find out where they stand.
Like Syria! First they were for it, then they discovered they were against it.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)to explain the pro's of the TPP. They refuse to commit. All they do is use distractions and ridicule.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)discuss issues in depth.
I haven't received an answer either but I'll keep trying.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)that was being held in the Japanese Diet/Parliament. One of the representatives whose district includes some of the best farmland in Japan was very unhappy with the proposal, and provided the following chart to make her point:
The farm products in the far left column are, from top to bottom, wheat, beets, potatoes, dairy, beef cattle, and pork. The column next to that shows how much income from these farm products could be lost due to the TPP, compared with 2006 production (unit: 100 million yen, or roughly 1 million dollars). The next column shows expected losses in related industries. The 4th column shows expected losses to the local economy. The column on the far right shows expected losses in employment (unit: persons, except for dairy and total, which is 10,000 persons). Total estimated losses would be 503.7 billion yen, or 5 billion dollars, and 40,000 lost jobs, just for that region, which is the Tokachi region on the island of Hokkaido.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)has been refused access to it every time they have demanded it. It's secret here, foreign corporations apparently will have input into what they come up with, but our OWN Congress has been denied access.
And the President is trying to get it fast tracked meaning Congress won't have time to see what is in it.
If that happens, all of them should vote against it.
That chart is amazing. And the assessment of the losses to farmers is tragic. Turning First World Countries into Third World Countries for the benefit of Corporations. Shameful, the threat to this country is real and we have people right here on DU more concerned about a politician's image, which he could change in an instant, than they are about the future of this country.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)in strictly monetary terms based on revenues alone. But there would almost certainly be a net loss of jobs, and the Japanese government would also have to compensate those tens of thousands unemployed workers in Tokachi alone, and who knows how many other workers in other parts of the country.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)It's hard to do when no one is allowed to see it. And for this president to push something that his own party is now so opposed to, fast tracking it, is simply stunning to me.
It will be interesting to see what Japan does. We know what these kinds of policies have been doing to other countries.
It's almost as if they want to create a cheap work force EVERYWHERE now rather than try to improve conditions in the countries where people are working for slave wages. And our very own government isn't fighting very hard to prevent it.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)and he has a supermajority in both houses.
Here he is listening to the TPP presentation made by the Hokkaido representative:
Titonwan
(785 posts)Blind loyalty will enhance cognitive dissonance, it seems.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)One of many of his quotes...
"Let's say straight up, right up front, that Black Agenda Report considers Barack Obama not to be the lesser of the evils, but to be the more effective evil."
Sounds like a right wing talking point.
Titonwan
(785 posts)If you need examples or links, I can gladly accommodate but actually your reply sound like right wing rhetoric. Which is to say you don't accept criticism for lousy results. Sorry, I have the right to disagree and I will. Always.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Who said you didn't?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)willing to answer. Do you support the TPP?
And you are willing to ignore Glen Ford and just state your own opinion. I oppose it no matter who supports it or who doesn't.
Btw, do you allow other people to influence your decisions, Glen Ford in this case eg? I don't just to be clear so I don't obsess about trivia, I try to remain focused on the issues.
Anyhow, so far, none of the anti-Ford (this time it's Ford) contingency will answer what I think is a very simple question.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Republicans have wanted to cut SS for decades but have not ever been able to even think of uttering a word about it. When Bush finally did it got shot down so quick he tried to forget he ever brought it up. But now that a charismatic Dem is POTUS, in a time of team sport type of politics and with a cult of personality following, SS is out on the table. Able to be brought up again and again with too many Dems defending it - some even denying it ever happened. With his cult following he has Dems cheering him on when he's gone and done the unthinkable for the Dem party. Unfortunately it's unthinkable no more.
He appointed banksters and where was the Dem outcry? His apologists are fine with that.
He expands warrantless wiretapping and gets way too much defense of that action from the loyalists.
Drone strikes.
Whistleblower prosecutions.
TPP. Remember when he told us he didn't like NAFTA?
It's quite a list of things that had a republican done it - when one did do it - Dems cried out in unison against it, yet when Obama does it there is a chorus of defenders who are willing to throw out their principles and ideals in order to try to stop any and all criticism of him.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)But when someone spouts shit like this...
"Let's say straight up, right up front, that Black Agenda Report considers Barack Obama not to be the lesser of the evils, but to be the more effective evil."
I find them hard to take seriously.
Just like I find right-wingers who say things similar.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)I just explained how I thought it was a valid opinion.
Plus, look at the soaring profits of the banksters after the collapse and whlie everyone else is suffering. The 1% is doing better than ever.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Congress or the President on the TPP? How about the Keystone pipeline, Chained CPI, all of these issues are extremely important to this country. Yet the President appears to be pushing the TPP before Congress has even seen it. Why have Congress' requests to see it been denied time and time again?
Congressional Dems are opposed to the President fast tracking the TPP for obvious reasons
Titonwan
(785 posts)Instead of being ashamed, you have the double downers that insist they weren't fooled and this eleventy dimensional chess will suddenly work out one day over the rainbow!
Instead of the reality of living in Belfast 24/7. Oh yeah, the machine is here.
Thanks once again, Edward Snowden.
840high
(17,196 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)How could anyone responsibly support or denounce it without knowing what is in it?
Bullshit bullying tactics aside of course.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Not a shock coming from DU's resident "Authoritarian Buster".
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Here's what I know:
The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is a trade agreement being negotiated between about a dozen Pacific Rim countries and the USofA. This trade agreement is being compared to the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) on steroids.
NAFTA was signed into law in 1994 by President Clinton. NAFTA was sold as a trade agreement that would bring prosperity to both the USofA and Mexico. It has done the opposite. From: (http://www.alternet.org/nafta-20-1-million-us-jobs-lost-record-income-inequality)
Public Citizens Global Trade Watch has issued a new report, NAFTA at 20: One Million U.S. Jobs Lost, Mass Displacement and Instability in Mexico, Record Income Inequality, Scores of Corporate Attacks on Environmental and Health Laws.
This report give specifics on how damaging NAFTA has been to Americas middle class.
The TPP is expected to be much worse.
You probably havent heard much about the TPP because it has been negotiated in secrecy from the public. And also kept secret from Congress.
While a liberal media would be all over this story, the corporate owned media is ignoring it.
While its being kept secret from the public, 600 corporations get to view the text and many get to provide input.
Some sections of the document in progress have been leaked by Wiki-Leaks confirm that this document is intended to benefit corporations and not the middle or lower classes.
What is so bad about the TPP?
It exempts foreign corporations from US laws and regulations. In fact the US taxpayers could be liable if our regulations harm the profits of these international corporations.
The TPP will encourage more corporations to ship American jobs to foreign countries that have less environment, health and safety standards and lower wages.
Our own buy local movements could be challenged by international corporations in international courts.
Pharmacies would be able to extend the period of time they hold the patient on drugs making it more difficult to buy generic drugs.
I have more if you are interested.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Sounds more like you are regurgitating what others have speculated
You will have to excuse me while I wait to find out what is actually in it before I make my decision one way or another.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)those that oppose it, because, after all, you dont know what is in it.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)One side here opposes the TPP for the reasons I mentioned above and many more. They are willing to debate these issues if anyone would debate. The other side here wont even commit to either supporting or not supporting the TPP. They wont commit to supporting the Fast-Track either, or NAFTA after 20 years of existence. But they arent shy about attacking those that oppose the TPP with ridicule and ad hominem attacks. It seems that instead of debating the issue they want to shut down the discussion with ridicule. It's clear who is trying to be the bullies.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)They don't know what is in it.
Clearly for you going off half cocked about something you don't actually know any of the details of is standard procedure. I can see why it would confuse you when others are not willing to commit to something they recognize they know nothing about.
The repeated calls for people to commit one way or the other in this thread is bullying plain and simple there is no excuse for it. It is all the more ridiculous because nothing has been finalized and the terms are in Flux.
No one knows what the TPP is yet.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Just because you dont know doesnt mean "no one knows". I bet you still dont know what NAFTA is all about either.
I am not trying to bully you into any one particular view. All I ask is that those that claim that they "dont know" stop trying to bully those that are opposed.
Besides I gave you a list of facts about the TPP. But I guess if you dont read them, then you can still claim you "dont know." I guess "not knowing" is bliss.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)None of it. I defy you to a single document from the TPP that says any of what you posted. The idea that you think it is fact is exactly the problem.
What makes it worse is you want to try to pretend you know the "facts" and belittle people that dont think it's a great idea to start calling Obama all kinds of ridiculousness because of the "facts".
Get back to me when you actually have the agreement that is proposed and is ready for signatures, then we can talk about Facts.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Maybe you want to debate one or more of the issues.
Here's more:
But thats just the tip of the iceberg. As Alternet reports, the new treaty would also:
Grant copyright protection for corporate-created content for a stunning 120 years! It would also transform internet service providers into a private, Big Brother police force, empowered to monitor our user activity, arbitrarily take down our content, and cut off our access to the internet.
Give Big Pharma more years of monopoly pricing on each of their patents empower them to block distribution of cheaper generic drugs.
Strip governments of their authority to regulate exports of oil or natural gas to any TPP nation. This would create an explosion of the destructive fracking process across the globe, for energy giants could export fracked gas from and to any member nation without any governmental review of the environmental and economic impacts on local communities or on our respective national interests.
Prohibit transaction taxes (such as the proposed Robin Hood Tax) that would tax speculators who have repeatedly triggered financial crises and economic crashes around the world. It would also restrict firewall reforms that separate consumer banking from risky investment banking, as well as provide an escape from national rules that would limit the size of too-big-to-fail behemoths.
These are merely a sample of the proposals that have made it into the public eye thanks purely to the actions of a brave (or as the Obama administration would have it, terrorist) whistle-blower. Whos to say what else is being planned behind our backs and in the conference rooms of some of the worlds most luxurious hotels?
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/11/the-global-corporatocracy-is-almost-fully-operational.html#bT84Q6SPHHkwP1C0.99
For some loyalty is more important than principles.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)While the U.S. has been pushing for tough environmental provisions, the other nations working on the deal, which include Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Mexico, Chile, Japan, Singapore, Malaysia, Brunei, Vietnam and Peru, oppose them. And they currently have the upper hand, the New York Times reports:
And more from EFF:
Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement
The US Trade Rep is pursuing a TPP agreement that will require signatory counties to adopt heightened copyright protection that advances the agenda of the US entertainment and pharmaceutical industries agendas, but omits the flexibilities and exceptions that protect Internet users and technology innovators
A lot of information on what they are planning regarding patents, copywrites and the internet in general.
This all needs to be made public. No fast tracking of something that Congress had to get information on through Whistle Blowers.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)These are drafts this is not the final language. I agree that fast tracking is troubling without ample time for the final agreement to be read and commented on no matter what is in the agreement. However I can also see where if a good agreement comes from it it could be necessary to keep the republicans from destroying the deal.
For example from your links the US is pushing for better environmental protections. If that gets there it would be a good thing no?
Also from your links the copyright protections are definitely something I don't like that the US is pushing. But there are a lot of other countries that are pushing back on that. If we end up with wins on both sides of that (meaning we get the preferable options) then it is a decent portion of the agreement no?
The idea than one should declare their support one way or the other at this point is ludicrous. There are portions I support and portions I dont from that leaked draft.
I do support the idea of a trade agreement with better labor protections and better climate regulation and better copyright law for that matter. There are a lot of countries involved with lots of different cultures involved there is no telling where it will end up yet.
Having said all that negotiating is a difficult thing making it all public would also cause problems every step of the way. There is a reason negotiating is almost always done behind closed doors.
I totally agree with that.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)They all were Republicans who foisted the Big Lie that Oswald acted alone in killing the liberal Democrat, President John F. Kennedy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4270849
In all those posts, you never did explain why, let alone how you find the time.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)I never said I support the men you mention.
Why do you bring Glen Ford to this website?
What shit website will you bring over next?
Stormfront perhaps?
I heard they don't like Obama either...
brush
(53,794 posts)It's apparently his full time job because that's all he does.
The President has done many good things during his admin. I, myself don't agree with all of his positions but this guy has never uttered a single acknowledgement of say the ACA, Lily Lebedder, the auto company bail out, or any of the foreign policy successes or anything this president has done.
Like I said, he's a professional Obama hater. And what the hell does he expect the President of the United States to be, the second coming of Lenin? He's the Commander-in-Chief and head of empire and all that that entails. And let's be real, the empire and the corporate forces that demand it aren't retreating anytime soon. I'd rather a Dem be in there than a full-out, corporate fascism-leaning, anti-immigration, racist, obstructionist repug.
He has moved us some to the left even, hasn't started his own war, busted up the repugs "shut down the government" tactic so they won't try that again, got insurance for millions of uninsured not entirely shabby.
The TPP thing does have me worried though if it's anything like NAFTA. We'll see how it plays out.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)"Disputing your argument is beneath me."
Right.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)...on the way out the door.
Winger meme - Bush has no GREAT affect on the current state of Americas economy
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Clinton put into place the architecture that allowed the economy to crash.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... with a direct hand in overheating a market segment in America with his "no down payment act" which removed the qualification of having 10 - 20% down on a house to own it.
Take out the NDPA and there's no overheated market, liar loans couldn't be made...
Clinton had NOTHING to do with the NDPA or the CRA cause that's where wingers usually go next...
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I wish the situation would make it possible to blame it all on those bad Republicans. But that's not the case.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)The national debt would have been totally paid down by 2009. Bushes regulators intentionally stopped regulating. They intentionally allowed the bankers to run amok, as per their ideology. Obama then refused to prosecute them, assuring that it will happen again.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)But if Clinton hadn't re-written or removed so many of the rules, Bush would not have had so many tools to allow the Big Money interests to wreck the economy.
In economic terms, Bush's ideology was not that far removed from Clinton's.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Your funny
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Just askin'...If Clinton wanted strong regulation of the financial sector and other industries, why did he remove so many of them?
I think, judging by what he pushed for during his administration, if Clinton had eight more years, there'd be no regulations left.
Doesn't seem a whole lot different than the direction Bush took us.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)The national budget would have been paid off by 2009. Nothing you say changes that.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Several forces -- most notable the "tech boom" -- converged to create an unusual econ0omic bubble in the 90's. Much of that ewas based on unrealistic speculation and crazy investments related to the emerging Internet and technology, and financial chicanery and unsustainable activity (especially the housing bubble).
That boom -- combined with Clinton's assimilation of GOP austerity measures of that era -- did put the country temporarily in better financial shape. But it was a House of Cards that tumbled with particular ferocity in later years, as reality caught up.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)tridim
(45,358 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)tridim
(45,358 posts)The President is not the strawman lots of you have defined in your head.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Well, probably not, I'm sure he's doing exactly what he wants to do. I don't see how else to explain him doubling down on BushCo policies.
Titonwan
(785 posts)Just how long is a long record, anyways?
tridim
(45,358 posts)Titonwan
(785 posts)What's 'tridim' stand for. For example 'tri' as in three or third and 'dim' as democrat (or the slur 'dimocrat'). I just love crossword puzzles! Smooches!
tridim
(45,358 posts)The old Gumby show called their animators, "Tridimensional Animators". I just thought it was a cool term.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I hate the black agenda report.
840high
(17,196 posts)SamKnause
(13,108 posts)President Obama, and the corporate CEO's who pull his strings, are in the process of forcing legislation on the American people that will be totally devastating !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Nor anywhere. And, while capitalism has become more insidious and entrenched and powerful from the time of the Depression, the problems facing the nation -- including environmental collapse, economic injustice and perpetual war -- have become more and more intractable.
Why not use the powers of government to solve them rather than reward the people and institutions responsible for them?
It may be Systemic, as it's fixed in the broken mode for the majority:
Neil Barofsky Gave Us The Best Explanation For Washington's Dysfunction We've Ever Heard
Linette Lopez
Business Insider, Aug. 1, 2012, 2:57 PM
Neil Barofsky was the Inspector General for TARP, and just wrote a book about his time in D.C. called Bailout: An Insider Account of How Washington Abandoned Main Street While Rescuing Wall Street.
SNIP...
Bottom line: Barofsky said the incentive structure in our nation's capitol is all wrong. There's a revolving door between bureaucrats in Washington and Wall Street banks, and politicians just want to keep their jobs.
For regulators it's something like this:
"You can play ball and good things can happen to you get a big pot of gold at the end of the Wall Street rainbow or you can do your job be aggressive and face personal ruin...We really need to rethink how we govern and how regulate," Barofsky said.
CONTINUED... http://www.businessinsider.com/neil-barofsky-2012-8
But no. For the 90-percent, it's Austerity Time. Again.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And Obama has learned that lesson...he and his family are set for life...
DhhD
(4,695 posts)adirondacker
(2,921 posts)LuvNewcastle
(16,847 posts)and we have no one in power who can actually bring change. Other than on social issues, this President is essentially no different than the others we've had for the last 30 years. Change, my ass. Such wasted potential.
It seems that it doesn't matter who we elect anymore. They all make promises and then they get to Washington and nothing changes. We can't go on like this. People are hurting and the proposals we're seeing will only make our situation worse. Something's got to give.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)In the 1930s, FDR was stymied by an obstructionist congress and an obstructionist SCOTUS. He was working on the New Deal, and facing bitter opposition.
Then he promoted a plan to break the obstructionists. Because elderly right-wing Supreme Court justices refused to resign, he would appoint six new justices to work alongside those elderly ones, and do their work.
The constitution does not require a certain number of Supreme Court Justices. Appointment of extras was within his power. Of course, the howler monkeys of the right went berserk. FDR's plan did not happen.
But it could have.
Desperate times require desperate measures. Obama could follow FDR's lead.
With a larger court supplemented by Obama appointees, Citizens United could be overturned. Voting rights could be strengthened. FISA rules could be strengthened. And more.
And then the court could return to nine members through attrition.
.
Desperate times require desperate measures. And the American people are under the thumb of corporatists as much now as in FDR's day
LuvNewcastle
(16,847 posts)if that's what it takes to fix the problem. Someone who is determined enough should use any legal means necessary, and also means that are in that gray area in between legal and illegal. The question is: Is Obama determined? Also, does his interest coincide with the people's interest? If the answer to the second question is "no," then the first question doesn't matter.
It isn't just that Obama has gone along with certain things that are against the people's interest, he's proposing things that are against our interest. Sadly, I don't think we're going to see meaningful reform from this President, whatever the circumstances, but I don't believe in my heart that we're going to see it from any other President either. Things have gone too far, and I no longer think our current system is salvageable.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Obama could do it. He won't. (Last time I said so, I was attacked by his killer bees.)
Nay
(12,051 posts)task of fixing our more pressing problems, even if he wanted to take them on. Whether he's blind to the actual problems that threaten the human race (population, climate change) or whether he just thinks there's nothing he can do, we are all still stuck with the situation as it is. We still have to get in our cars to go to work because there's no alternative -- alternatives have been starved out by corporate manipulation of all types. We still have to buy electricity, etc. We are stuck in the system until it falls down, and then we have to pick up the pieces as best we can. That's an ass-backward way to run things, but humans seem to be unable to do anything until emergencies hit. And sometimes not even then.
It's my personal opinion that Pres. Obama simply does not have the courage to address these major problems in a way that would upset the big players. Jimmy Carter did, and Carter knew it would doom him and did it anyway. 99% of politicians don't have that kind of guts.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Octafish
(55,745 posts)From BigThink.com:
Glen Ford has had a long career as a radio host and commentator. In 1977, Ford co-launched, produced and hosted Americas Black Forum, the first nationally syndicated Black news interview program on commercial television. In 1987, Ford launched Rap It Up, the first nationally syndicated Hip Hop music show, broadcast on 65 radio stations. Ford co-founded the Black Agenda Report. Ford is also the author of The Big Lie: An Analysis of U.S. Media Coverage of the Grenada Invasion.
http://bigthink.com/users/glenford
There are several interviews there where you can hear Mr. Ford speak. He sounds pretty darn smart to me.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Don't believe everything you see, hear and read -- especially when it comes from authority.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024262028#post20
Me? I'm interested in learning new stuff. Some of it is so interesting, I share it with others.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I hate when white people post things from there and think it represents the majority of black folks. It's so racist and disgusting. It's like if I posted something from stormfront like see, this is what white people think. Racist as fuck.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)So you want a segregated society that sees everything in terms of race?
I'm sure that's not what you meant, but it's pretty much what you said. You can express your disgust with The Black Agenda Report without making it a racial thing and insulting white people by saying that if they post something from a black run site that they think all blacks think like that.
I highly doubt Octafish is a racist.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Of black folks. I don't need your permission to express myself in anyway I choose, thank you kindly massa.
It's racist to think that black people as a group agree with the vile ratings of Cornell west and the gang. So when I see somebody type in something stupid like ' what do you have against black publications' when referring to that particular hate fest, it makes me think they're racist.
It's just like if I posted shit from stormfront and when white folks complain I say' what do you have against white publications' they would be well within reason to think I'm a racist idiot.
Anybody posting from the black agenda report will get the business from me if I feel like giving it to them. Just like that guy posted shit from the people's view that was homophobic, got the business for posting that shit whether the particular article was homophobic or not.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)but I am not in any way ordering you around so you can take your "massa" and do with it whatever you like besides using it towards me. That's enough to make me not want to deal with you ever again, but here goes anyway...
I can see now how you could've taken the post you originally responded to that way to a degree, but in fact, I take it the opposite way, not as a racist statement but in defense of blacks. I was thinking about the OP rather than that other post and it made your post seem way over the top. Now this response to me is way over the top but whatever... I've seen several of your posts in this thread and it seems you bring race into everything.
But I don't see where anyone said that all blacks think alike or that one black run site represents the entire viewpoint of blacks.
As to your assessment of that site, well, I'd have to look at it more, but I saw in another post of yours that you think anyone who criticizes Obama is a racist so I take your opinion of it with a big grain of salt.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I didn't like the way you told me to express myself differently,in a way you would prefer and I wondered why you thought you had the privilege to tell me how to speak so I lashed out at you in an unfortunate way. It was wrong but I don't delete the stupid shit I say, I like to go back and reread my ignorant posts so that I can learn more about myself.
I don't like the way it feels like black voices are dismissed in the party, but our votes are wanted.
There is a lot of racism ( democratic and republican)in this country and against this president in particular, so when I see people blaming him for not being superman and never bothering to point out all of the people who said out loud they would prevent him from getting anything done, I get angry.
If you don't want to deal with me I get it.
I despise the black agenda report just as much as you probably despise stormfront. I would never post things from stormfront. So when I see something from BAR posted here I go bananas. I feel like people posting from sources like this realize its a slap in the face to black DUers and don't care. It's like they want to drive us out of the party or at least shut us down by saying "see black people agree with me, so your views are invalid." They are just like Ben Carson around there at BAR, Obama bashing all day everyday. Any article from that source will get the business from me. Sorry we can't be friends, but that's how life goes sometimes. Have a good day though.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)I understand and I'm really sorry that you have to see this type of garbage here.
But like I said there, all you have to do is look at the caliber of folks that think that this publication is worth reading and not just something you use to clean your hands after you eat some pork ribs and that will tell you everything you need to know. I don't know a single black person that reads BAR. NOT ONE. And the fact the folks in GD that never have anything good to say about this president consider it the gospel truth is all the more reason I will continue to ignore it.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)If I hurt their feelings a little bit they may find another tactic. I know what they're doing, I've seen this shit a million times before, so boring. Every time I see Black Agenda Report I'm going to let them know they are posting from a hate publication and that it offends black people. I never bother to read it, I can predict what it's going to say just by reading the title. I won't fill my head up with that garbage.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)First I've heard of that site, but after looking around it for a bit, I get that is a crap site.
Thanks for all the info you have provided in this thread!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Maybe this site will stop being used in the future.
When I know I can message the op without being nasty I will let them know that this is a hate rag. There are plenty of other places to get information.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)The OP has a habit of many times using sources that are...questionable.
When called out, he ignores it.
For some posters, the motto is "any port in a storm".
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I love wasting my time as much as the next gal, but I've done enough of that today I think.
It's obvious to me that they're using this rag on purpose to cause problems.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)I'm sure many here have seen your posts and have now a better idea of the bullshit posted by the OP.
Ont the other hand, the names of those who Recd are not surprising at all.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)That tells me all I need to know.
Number23
(24,544 posts)not that the people using BAR ever listen to what she's saying because like I said, it's a deliberate attempt to minimize the handful of black posters that still bother to post here and still have the nerve to support this president. There is so much anger here at us. But I guess we're not supposed to notice that.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Then I thought to myself, let her take a break today. I can take one for the team if need be.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)I think something just clicked in me with her. She is truly brilliant - especially in her ass handing. She definitely doesn't let the assery run it's course around here but she is straight forward and polite - whereas I'm a passive aggressive little snot who throws hugs and "there there's" at the stupidity.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Last edited Sat Feb 1, 2014, 08:41 PM - Edit history (1)
I also do mirroring according to some professionals. It's hard not to give it back to people the same way they give it to me. I'm picking my battles, when I saw the message from LS and saw how only we cared I knew there was a problem of running black people off the site. Then I see this and it's obvious why black people don't want to stick around. It's like they think to themselves ' I'm not racist, I don't need to prove I'm not by being inclusive and respectful of minorities.'
Sigh, the Tea Party Left is giving me a sad.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)enough Friday night that I would have racked up a few hides.
Let's call this what it is, though....taking a break from crop circles, the OP has decided to undertake a studied critique of the President's SOTU. His primary source for this critique is a man who wrote that President Obama danced like Mr. Bojangles to get around the issues at hand.
Now, if a DUer wrote that, I would ask Skinner to ban them.
But, apparently, the OP thinks this is a fit source to critique the President. Why this source is fit to post, although they are undeniable racist, bitter, and disgusting is an inquiry worth pursuing. I find it paternalistic, racist, and offensive.
Glen Ford's obscene, and utterly racist tirade against the President, ("He is a knife in our hearts" available in full, at the link given above, should give the OP considerable pause. He should apologize.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I glad he stopped bothering to try to justify using this source.
Glad you're back.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Friday night I was sauced. Probably best I didn't click on this thread.
Saturday, I didn't click on this thread because I was sure I'd have to explain that PBO cannot be blamed for crop circles, or the JFK assassination, and frankly, I had to get to Costco. Saturday night I was out.
So I come on DU this morning, hoping to see the cat thread, when this exegesis of mental masturbation hit the top of GD. You'll see my other posts on this thread, but I've pretty much had it with the "Let's go find a Black person who agrees with me because that will mean I'm not a racist," method of writing OPs.
The fact that there are many Black posters on this thread, expressing their offense, ought to give a clue to the OP...but the piece I've quoted in my other posts is exactly what I will post to every single poster who decides that Glen Ford is a fit source.
Number23
(24,544 posts)They know good and well that the vast majority of black people, including those of us on DU, find that rag disgusting. Which is why a small cadre here takes EVERY FUCKING SINGLE opportunity they can find to post from it. And then they sit back wide eyed and innocent when the shit starts getting thrown.
It is unquestionably a tactic designed to let us know that we don't matter and neither do our opinions. It is a tactic to minimize and silence, to put us down in order to build themselves up and pretend that their numbers and influence are far greater than they are. And they wonder why so many black folks here find them almost indistinguishable from the Tea Party.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)They say the same exact things but think they are so superior to the assholes over there.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)You can say that again.
sheshe2
(83,815 posts)I don't understand the hate and I never will. I never will! It was not how I was raised and it damn well is not what I believe.
It pains me to see this President so disrespected so disparaged This has to be the most unprecedented hate that I have ever seen tossed at a sitting President. His sweet wife and daughters, they too have been ridiculed. The only answer can be is that he is Black, they are Black and hated for their color. I know of no other reason.
Why anyone here on a Democratic board would try to stifle, minimize or silence your voice is so far beyond my level of comprehension. It pains me to see and hear.
I know Number23 that it pains you all more than I. You live it , yet I hope you believe that I live it too. Yes in a different way, I am White. That will never stop my compassion and the need to seek a form of justice.
I started a journal back in high school, about the injustice. That was many years ago.
I also read LS's post. It made me cry.
Who we are should not be judged from the outside, it is what is in our souls that matter.
Cha
(297,378 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Nice to see you!!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)who didn't just stop pushing for the working class.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)As another poster has already stated, Glen Ford, Bruce Dixon, and BAR get trotted out every time someone wants to say 'Look! Black folks think Obama is screwing up too!!'
When they're really desperate, we get Tavis Smiley and Cornel West.
Sid
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I don't know the publication. I do know Tavis Smiley and Cornel West, and they're both top-notch.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)doesn't really speak for 'the people?'
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)And Cornell West is a small envious man.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)THIS is what your post in the AA Group came from! I don't read a lot of these types of threads because they just don't interest me but someone said it was really ramped up after the SOTU. Oh my. Here we go again -
I totally get you -and I agree on West. I can't relate to him at all . . . he's a relic. Like Bill Cosby.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I had to put myself down for a nap. Boy oh boy!! I didn't want to run back to AA snitchin or nothing but I just had to tell somebody how wild this is. Sometimes I think this place is burnt out.
Cha
(297,378 posts)scum of the internet to find the most stupid ODS articles it can come up with, brave.
sheshe2
(83,815 posts)when you look for filth, you can be damn sure find it in the toilet.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)At least they know how I feel about the black agenda report.
Cha
(297,378 posts)disingenuous propaganda agenda.. no matter what the color.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Who's that? The friend of plutocracy.
"You can't help those who simply will not be helped. One problem that we've had, even in the best of times, is people who are sleeping on the grates, the homeless who are homeless, you might say, by choice." -- President Reagan, 1/31/84, on Good Morning America, defending his administration against charges of callousness.
You want more Trickle-Down Voodoo Reaganomics?
Then Friend Larry Summers.
Evidence of an American Plutocracy: The Larry Summers Story
By Matthew Skomarovsky
LilSis.org
Jan 10, 2011 at 19:31 EST
EXCERPT...
Another new business model Rubin and Summers made possible was Enron. Rubin had known Enron well through Goldman Sachss financing of the company, and recused himself from matters relating to Enron in his first year on the Clinton team. He and Summers went on to craft policies at Treasury that were essential to Enrons lucrative energy trading business, and they were in touch with Enron executives and lobbyists all the while. Enron meanwhile won $2.4 billion in foreign development deals from Clintons Export-Import Bank, then run by Kenneth Brody, a former protege of Rubins at Goldman Sachs.
Soon after Rubin joined Citigroup, its investment banking division picked up Enron as a client, and Citigroup went on to become Enrons largest creditor, loaning almost $1 billion to the company. As revelations of massive accounting fraud and market manipulation emerged over the next years and threatened to bring down the energy company, Rubin and Summers intervened. While Enrons rigged electricity prices in California were causing unprecedented blackouts, Summers urged Governor Gray Davis to avoid criticizing Enron and recommended further deregulatory measures. Rubin was an official advisor to Gov. Davis on energy market issues at the time, while Citigroup was heavily invested in Enrons fraudulent California business, and he too likely put pressure on the Governor to lay off Enron. Rubin also pulled strings at Bushs Treasury Department in late 2001, calling a former employee to see if Treasury could ask the major rating agencies not to downgrade Enron, and Rubin also lobbied the rating agencies directly. (In all likelihood he made similar attempts in behalf of Citigroup during the recent financial crisis.) Their efforts ultimately failed, Enron went bust, thousands of jobs and pensions were destroyed, and its top executives went to jail. Its hard to believe, but there was some white-collar justice back then.
SNIP...
Summers also starting showing up around the Hamilton Project, which Rubin had just founded with hedge fund manager Roger Altman. Altman was another Clinton official who had come from Wall Street, following billionaire Peter Peterson from Lehman Brothers to Blackstone Group, and he left Washington to found a major hedge fund in 1996. The Hamilton Project is housed in the Brookings Institution, a prestigious corporate-funded policy discussion center that serves as a sort of staging ground for Democratic elites in transition between government, academic, and business positions. The Hamilton Project would go on to host, more specifically, past and future Democratic Party officials friendly to the financial industry, and to produce a stream of similarly minded policy papers. Then-Senator Obama was the featured political speaker at Hamiltons inaugural event in April 2006.
Summers joined major banking and political elites on Hamiltons Advisory Council and appeared at many Hamilton events. During a discussion of the financial crisis in 2008, Summers was asked about his role in repealing Glass-Stegall, the law that forbade commercial and investment banking mergers like Citigroup. I think it was the right thing to do, he responded, noting that the repeal of Glass-Stegall made possible a wave of similar mergers during the recent financial crisis, such as Bank of Americas takeover of Merrill Lynch. He was arguing, in effect, that financial deregulation did not cause the financial crisis, it actually solved it. We need a regulatory system as modern as the markets, said Summers quoting Rubin, who was in the room. We need a hen house as modern as the food chain, said the fox.
CONTINUED...
http://blog.littlesis.org/2011/01/10/evidence-of-an-ame... /
These are the richest times in history, with seven-eighths of all wealth ever, per David Stockman, Ronald Reagan's own Budget Director. Until we see economic fairness restored through fiscal and other government policies, laws and regulations; the rich will keep getting richer, the middle class will continue dissolving into the new poor, and the poor will become the super-majority. Of course, as money pays for lobbyists who write the laws and speech and cash are the same thing when it comes to elections, the majority perspective on policy will be silent as the grave.
That's who Cornel West and Tavis Smiley stand up to. I don't understand why you don't, Bravenak.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Last edited Sat Feb 1, 2014, 12:17 AM - Edit history (1)
"Shows how much you you know? " Ha!!!!!!
He supported the President until he didn't get tickets to his inaguration, then went on teevee and bitched about it for days, and has been penning hate/revenge articles and whining with Tavis Smiley ever since then.
Poor little jealous man, that's what he is. It's pathetic to be this mad that a hotel worker got tickets and he didn't. He literally said that out loud on camera.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)I hope its starting to sink in for these folks. Do you think this is a good analogy?:
The BAR is brother Elijah Muhammad to Obama's Malcolm X. That's what comes to mind - angered by being surpassed by a greater mind - and heart - and voice - and message.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I shall be storing that away for future use.
I was trying to figure out a way to express it.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Why do you support Glen Ford and his site that irrationally hates the president, dude?
Do you hate the president, dude?
Glen thinks he's evil.
Do you think the president is evil, dude?
I don't.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Glen Ford is correct -- the Administration has helped Wall Street and the rich more than Main Street and the middle class. The poor? They're all alone -- and their numbers are growing, thanks to austerity rather than developing the New New Deal programs that President Obama originally campaigned on.
BTW: Why do you insist on calling a human being names, zappaman? Calling someone a dick, instead of supplying facts to counter an argument, is what people of limited intellectual capacity do.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)He's a dick.
You can stand by him if you want.
GF: "Let's say straight up, right up front, that Black Agenda Report considers Barack Obama not to be the lesser of the evils, but to be the more effective evil."
And if you want to believe Obama is evil, you are entitled to that opinion.
I don't agree, dude.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Last edited Sat Feb 1, 2014, 07:41 PM - Edit history (1)
Stop posting from the Black Agenda report please. It's offensive to most black DUers. Unless the point is to offend us, then carry on, we see you.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Not that it matters to the OP.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Correction: The BAR is offensive to many DUers, it's a hate publication.
The OP should care, he's a human being too. Why would one human need to continue offending his friends on a regular basis, I'll never understand.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The guy who agrees with Allen Dulles, J Edgar Hoover and Gerald Ford?
Need links?
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Do tell.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Black Agenda Report is not offensive to most people I know, including Democrats.
The problem comes in with what Mr. Ford said. It's called the truth.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)I'm curious as to why you would think that.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Then there's putting Wall Street ahead of Main Street for six years, but that was legal.
Don't you think it's evil to kowtow to billionaires ahead of the needs of the nation's majority?
Which is the point of this thread. I love the guy. And I will hold his feet to the fire, just like he asked.
That's why I say, God bless America and God bless the President of the United States, too.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)But you are entitled to that opinion.
Can't talk now...watching SU vs Duke.
We see you though.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)It's bad enough that the banks strangled the Dodd-Frank law. Even worse is the way they did it - with a big assist from Congress and the White House.
by: Matt Taibbi
Rolling Stone
EXCERPT...
Two years later, Dodd-Frank is groaning on its deathbed. The giant reform bill turned out to be like the fish reeled in by Hemingway's Old Man no sooner caught than set upon by sharks that strip it to nothing long before it ever reaches the shore. In a furious below-the-radar effort at gutting the law roundly despised by Washington's Wall Street paymasters a troop of water-carrying Eric Cantor Republicans are speeding nine separate bills through the House, all designed to roll back the few genuinely toothy portions left in Dodd-Frank. With the Quislingian covert assistance of Democrats, both in Congress and in the White House, those bills could pass through the House and the Senate with little or no debate, with simple floor votes by a process usually reserved for things like the renaming of post offices or a nonbinding resolution celebrating Amelia Earhart's birthday.
SNIP...
Then, behind the closed doors of Congress, Wall Street lobbyists and their allies got to work. Though many of the new regulatory concepts survived in the final bill, most of them wound up whittled down to such an extreme degree that they were barely recognizable in the end. Over the course of a ferocious year of negotiations in the House and the Senate, the rules on swaps were riddled with loopholes: One initially promising rule preventing federally insured banks from trading in risky derivatives ultimately ended up exempting a huge chunk of the swaps market from the new law. The Volcker Rule banning proprietary gambling survived, but not before getting its brains beaten out in last-minute conference negotiations; Wall Street first won broad exemptions for mutual funds, insurers and trusts, and then, with the aid of both Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York, managed to secure a lunatic and arbitrary numerical exemption that allows banks to gamble up to three percent of their "Tier 1" capital, a number that for big banks stretches to the billions.
SNIP...
The nine bills to gut Dodd-Frank could also receive a JOBS Act-style welcome when they reach the Senate. There are only two Senate committees with the jurisdiction to tackle these bills, and neither appears to be planning to take a whack at any of the new measures. The Agriculture Committee, which oversees the CFTC, has been busy dealing with a huge farm bill. The Banking Committee, which oversees the SEC, is dominated by Democrats who wouldn't mind at all if Dodd-Frank had both its legs broken, including Chuck Schumer of New York and Mark Warner of Virginia. What's more, the committee's understated chairman, Sen. Tim Johnson of South Dakota, seems weirdly willing to let pretty much anything touching the financial world roll straight to a vote without his changing a comma a sharp contrast to the days when fist-shaking politcal Godhead Chris Dodd ran the committee.
SNIP...
That means all those thousands of hours of debate and fierce negotiation spent hammering out Dodd-Frank two years ago might now go up in smoke in a matter of a few quiet minutes. Of the big-ticket items that were actually passed two years ago, the derivatives reforms have been completely gutted by loopholes, the Volcker Rule has been delayed for two years, and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau may be thrust under the budgetary control of Congress, which is determined to destroy it. And much of this is taking place with the assent of Democrats, for a very simple reason: because the name of the game isn't cleaning up Wall Street, it's cleaning out Wall Street throwing a "yes" vote at a bank-approved bill to get them to pony up in an election year. "All this is aimed at the financial services industry," admits one senior Democratic congressional aide. "It's to let them know, 'Hey, you're OK, we're not going to destroy your business and give us your money, because we're trying to raise it for an election.'"
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http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-wall-street-killed-financial-reform-20120510?print=true
Learning is like food for your brain.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Is it because you agree Obama is evil like the author?
How sad.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Why don't you want people to know that?
Those wondering how and where the big picture runs straight into the national security state:
Know your BFEE: Siegelman Judge is a big-time War Profiteer
zappaman
(20,606 posts)And other bullshit.
I don't agree.
Apparently you do.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)You may not know it, but most DUers are smart.
If they don't read Black Agenda Report, they might not know a lot of things.
If Charles Taylor is a War Criminal, Then So are Obama, Bush and Clinton
Clinton, Bush and Obama have instigated, encouraged and collaborated in the worst genocide since World War Two.
Black Agenda Report, Tue, 10/01/2013 - 21:03 Glen Ford
Last year, former Liberian president Charles Taylor became the first former head of state ever to be convicted by an international tribunal. Taylor, whose 60-year prison sentence was upheld, last week, was found guilty of war crimes not in his own country, but in neighboring Sierra Leone, where a civil war had raged from 1991 to 2002. The Liberian president wasnt accused of personally committing mass murder in Sierra Leone, or even of having ordered that these crimes be committed. Instead, the prosecution argued that he had instigated others to commit the crimes in order to profit from the sale of what became known as blood diamonds. The court reasoned that Taylor must have known about the horrendous crimes that were being perpetrated by his friends among the rebels in the neighboring country, and was, therefore, as guilty as they were.
If that is the new standard for international criminal law, then Barack Obama and the two other living U.S. presidents should soon be moving into prison cells next door to Charles Taylor. These three U.S. presidents have instigated with full knowledge of the consequences 17 years of the most ghastly crimes imaginable in the Democratic Republic of Congo.
Whereas Liberian president Charles Taylor was accused of encouraging the slaughter of possibly 50,000 people in Sierra Leone, Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton have armed, financed and protected the killers of six million people 120 times as many fatalities in the eastern Congo, where American allies Rwanda and Uganda have been on a rampage of looting and mass murder since 1996.
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http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/if-charles-taylor-war-criminal-then-so-are-obama-bush-and-clinton
That's news I'm not getting on tee vee, even Rachel. I like to know when my country's making war on innocent people for diamonds, gold, oil and whatever else of ours is worth extracting from under their cold, dead children.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Just pointing out you stand with those who find Obama evil.
Hmmmm....I wonder who else thinks Obama is evil?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)You really should learn more, especially about Allen Dulles, J Edgar Hoover and Gerald Ford, zappaman.
http://election.democraticunderground.com/10023673662#post64
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Maybe you can learn?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I said most black people I know. You did see that right??
The BAR is offensive to most black people I know, ALL of them democrats. Maybe you don't know enough black democrats to have observed this IRL.
Mr Ford said the BAR considers Barack Obama to be EVIL.
Mr.Ford is a liar. Barack Obama is not EVIL.
You may agree with Mr.Ford that Barack Obama is EVIL, but you're wrong.
I told you that posting things from the BAR is offensive to black DUers and apparently other DUers who are not black share our opinion. It is obvious to me that you don't care that we as a group find this website offensive in the extreme and that we are hurt that you choose to post things from that hate site.
I know what youre doing and I am not amused.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)And you know what happens when you assume.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Way to deflect from the fact that you post garbage from hate sites.
It's offensive to many DUers when you post things from a hate site that considers Barack Obama to be the MOST effective evil. Please refrain from posting articles from hate organizations in the future and then you won't hurt and offend so many people.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)The ODS with some is strong.
Guess the OP doesn't give a shit if many DUers find that hate site offensive.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)That's so sad, I'm starting to feel pity or something.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)But yeah, isn't racism hilarious?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)My favorite is when they try to justify posting articles from hate sites. You know, the type of sites that say Obama is the more effective evil. He's even more evil than the republicans cause he didn't give Cornell West tickets to his inaguration.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)... for most of a century. It's no joke. You should learn more about it:
The people who tried to overthrow FDR in 1933 had kids.
And they are the ones* screwing America now.
What's different today, is we don't have Smedley Butler or FDR to stop them.
Baron de Rothschild and Prescott Bush Sr share a moment and some information, back in the day.
* Of course, it's not just a few rich families's offspring who screw the majority today. They've hired help and built up the giant noise machine to continue their work overthrowing the progress FDR and the New Deal brought America for 80 years.
Why would the nation and world's richest people do that? Progress costs money. And they don't want to pay for it, even when they've gained more wealth than all of history put together. Instead, whey continue to work -- legally, through government and lobbyists -- to amass even more, transferring the wealth of the many to themselves.
And instead of an armed mob led by a war hero, their weapon is "Supply Side Economics." To most Americans, that means Trickle-Down.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Last edited Sat Feb 1, 2014, 11:45 PM - Edit history (1)
It's gross.
Like for real, if I posted something from stormfront, that totally would be crass.
And don't ever whip out FDR on me buddy, he did absolutely NOTHING to stop the lynchings of black Americans during any of his terms. While he fixed the economy for white people, we were still segregated and not included in the great revival of America. He did nothing to promote income equality for all Americans. Once again black people were left out. Oh, we got jobs, but we were not allowed to do as well as our white counterparts, and nit allowed to live anywhere we wanted to. At least not without being lynched. Lynchings that FDR wouldn't do anything to try to stop.
You may want to go back in time and live there in dreamworld but I don't want to be some old lady's maid.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Besides, you don't have to read it, even if you would benefit from the information.
For instance, what Black Agenda Report has to say about income inequality:
http://www.blackagendareport.com/category/political-economy/income-inequality
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)If it were a hate site, even you would know it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)They say that the BAR considers Obama to be Evil. The BAR says that.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)every other liberal blog. And still is btw. They're still saying much the same things they said during the Bush years and still widely read by Liberals, so what is your point?
Which policy do you DISAGREE with now that you AGREED with during the Bush years? They've always pushed a liberal agenda and still do. Glen Ford has been in this business for decades and isn't saying much now that he didn't always say regarding the issues that effect the American people.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It will help you understand why the black agenda report is a hate site now.
http://touch.uptownmagazine.com/uptown/#!/entry/beneath-the-spin-the-reason-why-black-people-hate-tavis,52261a0eda27f5d9d0163fff
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x674915
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ernest-owens/cornel-west-tavis-smiley-_1_b_3649934.html
http://rollingout.com/politics/tom-joyner-rips-tavis-smiley-and-cornel-west-for-their-hatred-towards-president-obama/
Better to use other sources.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)And this one is from an African American?
Even better!
"See, black folks hate him too! He MUST be evil!"
bravenak
(34,648 posts)The story of my life.
Do they even notice that the tea party does the same thing with people like Herman Vain and Ben look at me Carson?
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Please tell me you're defending BAR. Please tell me that's really what you're doing.
Sid
bravenak
(34,648 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)it's what they do.
I am still waiting for the promises of 4 years ago.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The Thing is: The Administration and Congress found the money for wars without end and to make the Banksters whole. Yet there's no money to be found for jobs, housing, health care, schools, unemployment, public transportation, environmental protection, clean energy...everything that makes life better for ALL the People.
An important example:
For the Price of the Iraq War, The U.S. Could Have a 100% Renewable Power System
By Washington's Blog
Global Research, April 11, 2013
What Are We Choosing for Our Future?
Wind energy expert Paul Gipe reported this week that for the amount spent on the Iraq war the U.S. could be generating 40%-60% of its electricity with renewable energy:
Disregarding the human cost, and disregarding our other war in Afghanistan, how much renewable energy could we have built with the money we spent? How far along the road toward the renewable energy transition could we have traveled?
The answer: shockingly far.
Cost of the Iraq War
The war in Iraq has cost $1.7 trillion through fiscal year 2013, according to Brown Universitys Watson Institute for International Studies. Thats trillion, with a t. Including future costs for veterans care, and so on, raises the cost to $2.2 trillion.
SNIP...
If we had invested the $2.2 trillion in wind and solar, the US would be generating 21% of its electricity with renewable energy. If we had invested the $3.9 trillion that the war in Iraq will ultimately cost, we would generate nearly 40% of our electricity with new renewables. Combined with the 10% of supply from existing hydroelectricity, the US could have surpassed 50% of total renewables in supply.
However, this is a conservative estimate. If we include the reasonable assumptions suggested by Robert Freehling, the contribution by renewables would be even greater.
Freehlings assumptions raise to as much as 60% the nations lost potential contribution by new renewables to US electricity supply by going to war in Iraq. With the addition of existing hydroelectric generation, the opportunity to develop as much as 70% of our nations electricity with renewable energy was lost.
And unlike the war in Iraq, which is an expense, the development of renewable energy instead of war would have been an investment in infrastructure at home that would have paid dividends to American citizens for decades to come.
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/for-the-price-of-the-iraq-war-the-u-s-could-have-a-100-renewable-power-system/5330881
Gee. That would solve a LOT of problems and create a LOT of jobs. So, why aren't we DOING it?
quinnox
(20,600 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)It's no knock on the President, personally, but Mr. Ford goes after the policy shortcomings, making clear who's benefited most from the last six years are the same class of folks who've benefited most since Trickle Down came to town.
Personally, President Obama did ask us to hold his feet to the fire. So, a couple quotes to keep in mind:
Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.: "Taxes are the price we pay for civilized society."
Justice Louis Brandeis: "We must make our choice. We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both."
quinnox
(20,600 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)All presidents are. This is America. That is the nature of the political system we live under. In JFK's case, he was big money. He didn't need to be in their pocket because he was them. There was no daylight between his interests and theirs.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)From a couple years back:
JFK tapes offer lesson in income inequality.
By Tom Putnam | GLOBE CORRESPONDENT JANUARY 24, 2012
DURING THE last days of his presidency, John F. Kennedy had a number of concerns on his mind. In tapes being released today by the Kennedy Library, we hear, for example, the president focus on his reelection and issues of economic inequality. What can we do, he asks his political advisers, to make voters decide that they want to vote for us, Democrats? What is it we have to sell em? We hope we have to sell them prosperity, but for the average guy the prosperity is nil. Hes not unprosperous, but hes not very prosperous. Hes not . . . very well-off. And the people who really are well-off hate our guts. As questions about growing social inequity increasingly dominate our current political dialogue, it may be instructive to look back at how these issues played out a half century ago.
Having witnessed the country survive the Great Depression and World War II, JFK understood the economic and military vulnerabilities of democratic capitalism. Though insulated by his familys wealth, JFK was affected by the poverty he witnessed on the 1960 campaign trail. One of the memorable lines from his inaugural address if a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich helps explain his first executive order: increasing surplus food allotments to poor communities across the nation.
Once in power, his economic policies were ideologically balanced, combining, for example, a proposed tax cut to stimulate the economy with efforts to raise the minimum wage and expand unemployment benefits. Like the current incumbent, JFKs legislative efforts - especially those designed to help the poor and advance civil rights - were often stymied by members of Congress. During his 1962 State of the Union address he reminded his congressional colleagues: The Constitution makes us not rivals for power but partners for progress. . . It is my task to report the State of the Union - to improve it is the task of us all.
In terms of his administrations relationship with the really well-off, his most famous confrontation came during the steel crisis in 1962. Having helped to negotiate a non-inflationary wage settlement with the United Steelworkers Union, Kennedy thought he had an agreement with industry executives that, in exchange, they would not raise the price of steel that year.
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http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2012/01/24/jfk-offers-lessons-income-equality/ST1GsaQM77N0mWXoG8GT4L/story.html
Here's what I posted on DU on the subject in 2010:
JFK battled Wall Street and Big Business
"If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich"
-- Inaugural Address of John F. Kennedy, Friday, January 20, 1961
So, in the short time he had, President Kennedy did what he could to balance the interests of concentrated wealth with the interests of the average American -- necessary for the good of the country.
Professor Donald Gibson detailed the issues in his 1994 book, Battling Wall Street: The Kennedy Presidency.
From the book:
"What (J.F.K. tried) to do with everything from global investment patterns to tax breaks for individuals was to re-shape laws and policies so that the power of property and the search for profit would not end up destroying rather than creating economic prosperity for the country."
-- Donald Gibson, Battling Wall Street. The Kennedy Presidency
More on the book, by two great Americans:
"Gibson captures what I believe to be the most essential and enduring aspect of the Kennedy presidency. He not only sets the historical record straight, but his work speaks volumes against today's burgeoning cynicism and in support of the vision, ideal, and practical reality embodied in the presidency of John F. Kennedy - that every one of us can make a difference." -- Rep. Henry B. Gonzalez, Chair, House Committee on Banking, Finance, and Urban Affairs
"Professor Gibson has written a unique and important book. It is undoubtedly the most complete and profound analysis of the economic policies of President Kennedy. From here on in, anyone who states that Kennedy was timid or status quo or traditional in that field will immediately reveal himself ignorant of Battling Wall Street. It is that convincing." -- James DiEugenio, author, Destiny Betrayed. JFK, Cuba, and the Garrison Case --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.
Had he lived to serve a second term, I'd bet on JFK over The Fed.
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So, you see, BainsBane, there's a big difference.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)I am so glad you are here.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I remember 1963 -- including what life was like. The nation has become a very different place.
Here's what someone who recorded the times wrote President John F. Kennedy said in regards to the Steel "Trusts" intransigence:
"My father always told me that all businessmen were sons of bitches, but I never believed it till now."
-- (Comment made 10 April 1962 in reaction to news that U.S. Steel was raising prices by $6 per ton, right after the unions negotiated a modest new contract under pressure from JFK to keep inflation down.)
John F. Kennedy, "A Thousand Days," by Arthur Schlesinger Jr. (1965)
Contrast that sentiment with George W Bush "Money trumps peace" on Feb. 14, 2007.
In all sincerity: Thank you for your kind words, zeemike. Your friendship means the world to me.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)So I remember too.
But I don't have all that information at my finger tips like you do...just my memory which does not differ from yours at all.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)were clamoring for my weak-assed body. All the jocks in high school got physical deferments because they hurt their pinkies in sports. It was us nerds that couldnt do 3 push-ups but were rated A-1.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)I was in the Navy and stationed in Texas when JFK was killed...by 68 I was out of there.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)You provide someone's opinion with no concrete policies. If he had lived he would have done something, but he didn't. He reduced taxes on the rich. He was an avid cold warrior. Shall we conclude that the only presidents you find acceptable are those born into the 1%? I find the hero worship tedious and your assessment odd. Obama clearly expresses those same concerns, only he doesn't have the political power to do much about it because of the House. Obama's personal experiences give him a far better understanding of poverty than JFK could have ever imagined. That someone cares about something is not policy.
Additionally, Presidents are a product of their time. All these people wishing FDR were President now have no concept of what compelled FDR to act: namely huge amounts of popular pressure through a variety of popular movements. People here expect the president to do everything and have no understanding of the historical circumstances that gave rise to their presidencies. Your choice was Obama or McCain or Romney. Perhaps you would have preferred the other two. Neither JFK nor FDR were alive then, and no one like them was either because it is a different time. What it seems people really want is to go back to the 1960s when they were young. That won't be happening, ever.
The idea that JFK wasn't a product of corporate capitalism is absurd. He was an American president. They all are. This is the United States of America. If you want that to change, focus on public financing of elections because that is the ONLY way any government will not be beholden to moneyed interests. There are no political messiahs. That is not the nature of politics.
The review I found of the Gibson book asserts that the author does not prove his conclusions. http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/27551476?uid=3739736&uid=2129&uid=2134&uid=377725661&uid=2&uid=70&uid=3&uid=377725651&uid=3739256&uid=60&sid=21103326406371
I'm going to assume he is not a trained historian, or he would not engage in the imaginary musings of what the world might have been if JFK had not been killed.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Donald Gibson was born in Philadelphia in 1945. He served as a communications intelligence analyst in the United States Air Force from 1964 to 1968. After military service, Gibson returned to college to get a B.A. and went on to complete a Ph.D. at the University of Delaware. He has taught on a number of campuses, including Oberlin and Middlesbury Colleges, and is currently at the Greensburg Campus of the University of Pittsburgh.
Professor Gibson's research on social power and on U.S. economic problems carried out during the 1970s and 1980s led him to carrying out research into the administration of John F. Kennedy. This led to the writing of Battling Wall Street: The Kennedy Presidency (1994). He also investigated the assassination of Kennedy and eventually published The Kennedy Assassination Cover-up (1999). In this book he rejects the idea that the Mafia, Anti-Castro Activists, Texas Oilmen, Lyndon B. Johnson, J. Edgar Hoover or the Federal Bureau of Investigation were responsible for the president's death. Instead he argues that it was a treasonous conspiracy executed by a network of wealthy private individuals.
Other books by Gibson include Environmentalism: Ideology and Power (2002), Communication, Power and the Media (2004) and The Kennedy Assassination Cover-up Revisited (2005).
SOURCE w links: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKgibsonD.htm
deutsey
(20,166 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)...both authors are scholars who, for some reason, never seem to get any media oxygen. Must be the fault of their books' topics.
Breach of Trust: How the Warren Commission Failed the Nation and Why
Published by the University of Kansas in 2005, the work by the Hood College professor emeritus of history spells out precisely how.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10182
The Warren Commission Report on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy . . . was instantly implausible because the authors hid the secrets they knew (and ignored the ones they didn't). -- David Ignatius, Washington Post Book World
PS: You probably already know the work, deutsey. Just want to emphasize the forest for those concentrating on the trees.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)Growing a bit flabby in my research...thanks for giving me a new regimine to help bulk it back up again!
Gibson's thesis seems to support where my thinking is these days re: JFK. Ever since I learned about the failed "business plot" to oust FDR back in the '30s, I have suspected that perhaps at the dark heart of the assassination was a determination among the interests behind that plot to be more effective in eliminating Kennedy than they were with Roosevelt.
That would be nothing new, of course...Parenti's "The Assassination of Julius Caesar: A People's History of Ancient Rome" helped me see the larger historical picture of which I think the Kennedy assassination is a modern-day manifestation. I don't always agree with Parenti's worldview, but I thought he did a good job of breaking down the class dynamics going on between the Optimates and the Populares in Rome that culminated in Caesar's assassination.
Why did a group of Roman senators gather near Pompey's theater on March 15, 44 B.C., to kill Julius Caesar? Was it their fear of Caesar's tyrannical power? Or were these aristocratic senators worried that Caesar's land reforms and leanings toward democracy would upset their own control over the Roman Republic?
Parenti (History as Mystery, etc.) narrates a provocative history of the late republic in Rome (100-33 B.C.) to demonstrate that Caesar's death was the culmination of growing class conflict, economic disparity and political corruption. He reconstructs the history of these crucial years from the perspective of the Roman people, the masses of slaves, plebs and poor farmers who possessed no political power.
Roughly 99% of the state's wealth was controlled by 1% of the population, according to Parenti. By the 60s B.C., the poor populace had begun to find spokesmen among such leaders as the tribunes Tiberius Gracchus and his younger brother, Gaius. Although the Gracchi attempted to introduce various reforms, they were eventually murdered, and the reform movements withered.
Julius Caesar, says Parenti, took up where they left off, introducing laws to improve the condition of the poor, redistributing land and reducing unemployment. As Parenti points out, such efforts threatened the landed aristocracy's power in the Senate and resulted in Caesar's assassination.
Parenti's method of telling history from the "bottom up" will be controversial, but he recreates the struggles of the late republic with such scintillating storytelling and deeply examined historical insight that his book provides an important alternative to the usual views of Caesar and the Roman Empire. Copyright 2003 Reed Business Information, Inc
Octafish
(55,745 posts)...and on a whole lot more.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)That, to me, is the EXCUSE that is "far from convincing". What does he even PROPOSE to do about it?
MyRA accounts?
Something that seems likely to increase inequality.
Pass TTP and TTIP?
In that fairly long speech, I don't even remember all that much concern.
Probably I need to read the transcript again, but it certainly was NOT something that he pounded and pounded at great length. Not to my memory.
erpowers
(9,350 posts)JFK cut taxes because he felt there were inefficiencies in the tax system. He was a cold warrior when he came into office, but by the time his presidency ended he was no longer cold warrior.
I do not think very many people are asking President Obama to do things on his own. There has been support for ideas and popular movements behind some of the issues people want President Obama to take up. I think many people know the circumstances surrounding FDR's election and why he pushed certain ideas. I think people see the similarities between now and then and wish President Obama had done more on the policy side.
I get your point that President Obama has had to deal with Congress. It might actually be the case that President Obama might have accomplished more if he had a House controlled by Democrats. I guess there are people who feel President Obama should have pushed back more against House Republicans. Maybe some people overestimate the power of the presidency.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)and part of his inability to do so is a result of just not being very good at Washington politics. What I don't agree with, however, is that there is something unique or unexpected about Obama catering to moneyed interests. The campaign finance system means that will be the case to one degree or another regardless of who is elected.
randr
(12,412 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,014 posts)First Obama cleaned up Bush's mess to get the economy back on an even keel when it was in danger of capsizing.
Now he has a stable (but still recovering) economy, he can and is tackling income inequality.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)...screw it up in the first place
Armstead
(47,803 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)...and of course wingers want to defuse his bullshit by blaming Clinton which left an increase middle class even though a flawed trading policy...
BULL FUCKIN SHIT...
The trading policy could be fixed... not made worse by stupid ass'd conservative ideals
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Just the removal of restraints of Glass Stegall (spelling?) accelerated the consolidation of banking (too big to fail banks) and the removal of regulations to prevent the very abuses of the financial system that tanked the economy a decade later.
The push to give "most favored nation" trading status to China helped to accelerate the exodus of American manufacturing.
Many more examples.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)The seeds for 2007-08 8 collapse were sown by Bill Clinton and other Corporate Democrats.
NAFTA, deregulation, etc. put the first crack in the dike. Bush just presided over the flood that resulted.
LuvNewcastle
(16,847 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Once, individual taxpayers and married couples could deduct credit card interest from their taxes. No more, although businesses are still allowed to do so.
Been the law since Oct. 22, 1986, when Pruneface signed The Tax Reform Act that eliminated interest deductions for loans to consumers, including credit cards. Nice deal for Wall Street. Would be nice to bring back before the middle class -- and its children struggling to pay off college loans -- are reduced to poverty.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)theother half of the statement acknowledges that millions of people would have gong hungry and homeless if not for the extension in unemployment bennies that was the clear and consistently clarifies trade off. You would rather have let those people go without a dime in UE? Good god.
Cha
(297,378 posts)whining points and they're sticking to them. sos works for them.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Much needed revenue lost. Republicans still whining about budget deficits and holding the country hostage. Food stamps cut. Unemployment unacceptably high, and unemployment benefits cut for long-term unemployed. Having to convince employers (e.g., Google, Apple, Walmart) to hire said long-term unemployed. The wealthy hoarding, and too many others not working and contributing to the economy -- vicious circle. Massive income inequality.
He knew he made a mistake when he later said that he wouldn't be held hostage again (or something to that effect). Guess we'll read about it is in memoirs...
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)the tactic of negotiating, or removing UE is the same every single time it comes to the table. You don't seem to be able to understand that under those circumstances, when Obama did not give up UE, jobs were still hemorrhaging while Bush had turned a blind eye to it all (and the banking Insurance failures).
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)That is my take on the past couple of years; obviously, your mileage varies.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The thing is, they also fixed up their getaway.
Government Strategy in 2008 Bank Bailout was to Cover Up the Truth
While Obama, the Treasury and the Fed did all they could to right the ship -- I would prefer that they also hold Bush and Co., including the banksters they protected to account through investigation, prosecution, prison and restitution.
Titonwan
(785 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)'Tweren't Timmy alone.
Geithner sacrificed homeowners to foam the runway for the banks.
Neil Barofsky, the former special inspector general for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, has published a new book, Bailout: An Inside Account of How Washington Abandoned Main Street While Rescuing Wall Street. It presents a damning indictment of the Obama administrations execution of the TARP program generally, and of HAMP in particular.
By delaying millions of foreclosures, HAMP gave bailed-out banks more time to absorb housing-related losses while other parts of Obamas bailout plan repaired holes in the banks balance sheets. According to Barofsky, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner even had a term for it. HAMP borrowers would foam the runway for the distressed banks looking for a safe landing. It is nice to know what Geithner really thinks of those Americans who were busy losing their homes in hard times.
CONTINUED w VIDEO and links and more letters...
http://washingtonexaminer.com/video-geithner-sacrificed-homeowners-to-foam-the-runway-for-the-banks/article/2502982
This one was hurtful, personally. I know several families who lost their homes -- life savings, 401(k)s, the works. Meanwhile, the Banksters who caused it all were made whole and skated free.
hay rick
(7,626 posts)Thanks for recirculating the Barofsky's "foam the runway" account of Geithner and HAMP. More from Bailout here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/111632333
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The system was pioneered in the Savings & Loan rip-offs of the 1980s and 90s: Crooks working inside the S&L institutions would loot the money, legally, by "lending" it to crooks who applied for loans or offered "investments." When the money couldn't be repaid, the FSLIC would back up the missing funds. It cost a $1 trillion dollars to fix.
Know your BFEE: They Looted Your Nations S&Ls for Power and Profit
Fast forward to 2008: Crooks working inside the Banks would loot the money, legally, by "lending" it to crooks who applied for loans or offered "investments." When the money couldn't be repaid, the FDIC would back up the missing funds. It cost a $16 trillion dollars to fix.
Know your BFEE: Goldmine Sacked or The Best Way to Rob a Bank Is to Own One
What kept the banks from acting like a drunk in a casino and the crooks from getting all the money sooner? Regulation from the New Deal, the Glass-Steagall Act.
Who protects their get-away? A federal smoke screen.
All this is old news to you and William K. Black, hay rick. Thanks, again, for caring!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Cause you must be still using yr fingers to count. My president is not a failure, if he is then al, of those white guys that had the job before him were failures too. List the ones who were better in ALL ways than our current commander and chief if you're going to start calling him a failure. You all are making me all riled up.
Titonwan
(785 posts)... then he (the president) isn't your CIC. Sorry man, but if you don't see the status quo chuggin' along per usual, then I have no words to convey my pity for you and others that deny the reality of the situation.
And that'd be the truth, amigo.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Most of my family are military, my uncles all fought in Vietnam and my grandfather fought in WW2. I shall call him the commander in chief if I want to. I have been taught to have respect for the office of the president and to respect him as CIC of the US armed forces simultaneously.
I'm not a man.
But he's not anyone's CIC unless you're currently active duty military. I need no experience on this as I own my own. Nice day to ya, m'am.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)And yes, a lot of the "white guys" before him were failures too. Mostly starting with Reagan. Ever since him it seems that every POTUS is working for big business.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I'm not talking about you. It's people who never have a negative thing to say unless it's about the president.
pecwae
(8,021 posts)the white presidents weren't failures at something or everything?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Good on you, I agree.
840high
(17,196 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)The 40 some odd white guys who held the job before him.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)~Russell Brand
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)Are you black too?
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)Have you noticed how certain people are never satisfied or even willing to acknowledge his efforts?
And how they blame him for things that have nothing to do with him?
And how certain people said that it's was their main goal to stop this president from getting anything done?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)...as proof
And although Obama remains popular with African-Americans, nearly twice as many whites disapprove as approve.
Read more: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/11/12/poll_obamas_approval_rating_at_all-time_low_120648.html#ixzz2rzRXwREo
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)With all of the racism thrown at him by republicans and democrats alike, we support him even more.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)...getting a double dose of it because we have a media that's from the School Of Chuck Todd Journalism
http://crooksandliars.com/heather/chuck-todd-not-his-job-point-out-lies-abou
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Chunky Todd makes me want to even up his goatee. I figure that's why he's always talking sideways.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Still thinks he is the best president of my lifetime.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I was born under Reagan. That should explain why I think he's the best president.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)and still think he qualifies.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)That when I realized I must be a democrat. I was like 10 I think. Or 11.
Until then I just liked Carter and Nixon. Nixon!!! My father was a republican who loved Rush Limbaugh, and after Clinton's first term when I came home and told him my class had mock elections, he thought I voted for Bob Dole. I had to break his heart, so sad.
All the presidents of my life time besides Clinton and Obama were sucky.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)My father is much the same as yours and when clinton ran the first time I told my father I thought he was going to win long before the elections. Boy was my dad pissed. He told me I better hope and pray I was wrong. LOL sadly for him I was right
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I told my dad the same thing and my mom voted for Clinton after he told the little lady to vote for Bush. She bought a Clinton/Gore 92 tee shirt afterwards and wore it until the holes started in the armpits. She hated being told who to vote for.
sheshe2
(83,815 posts)Best President ever!!!!
And cause I know some will disapprove~
sheshe2
(83,815 posts)So much hate tossed his way, sad to say from so many different directions.
You want to survive the out right never ending vitriol???!!~
Guess what, you take a romp with your dog. Yup that's Bo. Oh I know Bo has been disparaged here too~ Sad that.
Cha
(297,378 posts)Lucky Dog, she! When you consider the source of the disparagement it reads like a badge of honor.
Lucky well cared for Doggies~
sheshe2
(83,815 posts)It's a done deal! Blah blah blah.
Funny how they are wrong every damn time!
Amazing that, don't you think bravenak~
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)he's doing what he can do and has done much. Looking forward to the rest of his term.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Cause he looks so young and handsome.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I didn't expect miracles, But I also didn't expect him to turn to the same crooks and misguided corporate stooges and wrongheaded policies that created this mess in the first place.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Get anything done. The party didn't give him anything to work with, our senators and reps were running from him and going all deficit reduction on him. Stupid ass stupak almost derailed the small HCR that he did managed to get through, and all of the supposed progressives who sat around in fear of the TEA party seem to expect him to do all the fighting all alone.
Why? Why don't you fight for what you want instead of bashing him like he's standing in yr way? Get a big enough movement behind you and get the public sentiment on your side and petition him to support the changes you want. He can't help you if you can't convince the rest of us to want your policy changes.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)You sound like basic progressive principles are a personal shopping list.
I do what I can in my own world to advance things i believe in -- which are not my personal laundry list. It';s probably many of the same things you profess to believe in.
Problem is leaders who get our support because they claim to support similar ideas and values get into bed with the wealthy and powerful when it matters. When ANY politician -- including President Obama -- does that I'm gonna complain.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Thats why you need to take responsibility for pushing for what you want.
You can complain all you want but it will have no effect unless you do something. And while you can use your voice to state your position, others, like me will use our voices to tell you what we think.
I'm tired of the big Obama pile on by liberals. Never support anything he does, never give him credit for anything, always downing him like all the problems in America are his fault and then you guys wonder why black people think your racist. Maybe because you guys always vilify that black man who agrees with you on most things and kinda forget all of the white people who never agree with you who said out loud that it was their duty to stop him from getting anything done. That's why.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Okay. I guess all of the similar criticisms I and others have had of the Clinton and other white "centrist" Democrats who are closely aligned with corporate interests don't count.
I guess being disappointed that President Obama immediately turned to the same group of Wall St. "advisors" who ruined the economy before to fix the problems they helped to create is all about race.
I guess if President Obama was white i wouldn't have any objection to his pushing of the same corrosive "free trade" agenda that has wrecked the economy for the majority of people -- white and black.
I guess you also prefer to ignore all of the times I and others have supported the president when we agree with him.
None of that matters because he's black. Can you tell me again who's being "racist"?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Own party and the country than any other president before him? Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I sleep fine because I know what is in my heart, and the things I disagree with President Obama about have absolutely nothing to do with his race. If he were the same person but looked like a Scandinavian, I'd still have the same issues about him.
I also know that even with the disagreements, I support him -- often strongly --when I agree with him.
I'd also say -- in all honesty -- that I was thrilled when he was elected because it was about time we hads an African American president. But I guess in your eyes that makes me a hypocritical white liberal because I didn't also put the rest of my opinions about other issues aside when he took office.
But go ahead and assume that every disagreement and criticism of him stems from racial animosity. You've obviously decided that is a universal truth, that you can read people's minds and are never going to change your opinion about it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)For saving the economy, saving the car industry, and initiating HCR. Just to name a few things that he has done that no other president has done.
But you don't give him any credit.
That's why it's racist.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)How about this?
Have it your way
I have no problem if you want to say I am wrong, and disagree with my own assessment, and debate it on specific grounds on that basis. That's fine. Reasonable people can discuss and disagree.
But if you are determined to believe that everyone who has different opinions about President Obama than you, and who is white, is only motivated by racism because of his color, then there is no room for discussion.
When you want to reduce any differences of opinion to a matter of race (and you assume that you know what is in everyone else's heart) then it's a waste of time.
And to that I say "Whatever."
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Nothing you said there was quoting me. It was your opinion of my words. Your interpretation is incorrect.
I never said anyone who is white and has a different opinion of Obama is racist.
I said white people who post things from the BAR and act like it represents the majority of black people is a racist. If that doesn't apply to you I have no idea why your so upset.
The whole giving him only the blame but none of the credit thing that's been going around here does seem racist to me. If youre giving credit where credit is due then fine, if you refuse to give the man a bit of credit for anything you have to ask yourself why you are unable to give him credit for any of the positive things he has done.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)"I said white people who post things from the BAR and act like it represents the majority of black people is a racist."
"The whole giving him only the blame but none of the credit thing that's been going around here does seem racist to me."
You said that. I didn't.
And just to be clear...I read the OP and agreed with the anger and the reasons for the anger before seeing the author or the source.
Had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with race. And I never perceived or described it as "representing the majority of black people."
I am just as disappointed and angry as the author over Obama's pushing of awful policies like the TPP that do run counter to his stated goals. Those "free trade" agreements have already done terrible damage to the country and to all working people, and I am angry that Obama wants to force more of that poison down our throat. Just as I am angry at lily-white Hillary Clinton and her husband Bill and all of the Corporate Democrats who have pushed for those policies, for the same reason.
As long as you want to think that an opinion like that "seems racist" then you are doing exactly what I said you are doing.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Those are rigid statements.
You ignored the second part of my post.
If you think that the TPP and similar policies are good for the country, and you think that President Obama deserves praise for pushing them, be my guest. As I said above, I have no problem with actual disagreements over actual things.
It's when you ascribe bad motives for completely separate reasons to those who disagree with you that you lose credibility.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I stand by my statements that you quoted.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I don't know how clearly I have to state my position. Let me try this one more time slowly.
I like President Obama overall. he has done some good things. But he has also done some things that I strongly disagree with, and which make me angry and frustrated with him. The same things that have angered me about many Democrats who cozy up to the Corporate Oligarchs who are ruining the US (and the world.) It has nothing to do with his race. In fact it would be racist of me to give him a pass on that just because he is black.
I'm not going to keep going around this mulberry bush. There is a lot of racism in this country. That is still a big problem. But you don't help matters when you call people out for false racism. Open up a little bit and give people more credit than that.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I was never accusing you directly. I was letting all of you white DUers know that posting things from BAR is the same as posting things from stormfront. It's a slap in our faces to post that crap here. Nobody bothered to ask our opinions about whether this publication should be used for discussion. It is a hate publication. It's the same as stormfront.
I also have a problem with people who are willing to give the president all of the blame for everything wrong with this country, while never having a kind word to say about any if the positive things he has done for this country. I find it strange when people refuse to give credit where credit is due because they haven't gotten everything they wanted yet. Those people who are democrats who call him a failure make me sad and sick to my stomach.
Calling the only black president ever a failure is a slap in the face of all of the black people our here who support him still, and voted for other dems because of him. I find the constant pile on of negativity from people who never have a kind word to say about him to be racist.
I don't need you to agree with me, we can disagree. If it doesn't apply to you then try not to take it personally. I still stand by my statements that you quoted.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I have been following and caring about -- and in my own life trying to do something about -- the basic issue of economic justice since the 1970's.
I was pissed at Clinton when he sided with the oligarchs, and any other Democratic politician who gets too cozy with the Wall St. /Big Business Elites who are subjugating the majority of the population and undermining the principles of economic democracy.
There are many people here who feel the same way.
President Obama is an important figure. But many of us who want to support him have a difficult time with him whenever he veers toward the Clinton/Corporate positions on issues. Ultimately the personality of individual politicians matters less that their role in this larger picture that affects us all.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)If you are not one of the people who never can give credit to him when he does something positive, then I was not talking about you.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)no sarcasm tag needed, I meant what I said, just for clarification.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Chuckle chuckle!
cali
(114,904 posts)you think liberal criticism of the President is racist and racist in itself.
I'm tired of the adorer/defenders of this President, whatever their race or gender. He's a corporate pal- and that's putting it kindly.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Do you resemble the remarks I made? If so, that's not my problem dear.
If you are one of the people who can never support the president even when he does something good you may have to ask yourself ' what is it about this man that I hate so bad that I am unable to give him credit even when he does something good for the country'. When you find the answer, you can then start working on your issues.
It's not my problem to solve.
Just to be clear, most black people who are interested in politics do not read the black agenda report, because we have been following Dr. west for years and we have seen his metamorphosis from a strong black leader, to a small minded jealous idiot. When he went on the teevee after the first inaguration of the president, I was shocked at the display of envy. He ran around to anybody who would listen saying how hurt and angry he was not to have received a ticket, while the guy who carried his bags at the hotel had tickets for his whole family. Oh mighty one percenter!!!
Until the day he did not receive his tickets he was one of president Obama's most ardent supporters. Soon after that he began penning hate/revenge articles.
He's a man scorned.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)...styled anecdotal vid doesn't negate those facts
You guys are becoming super obvious
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)I am so proud that President Obama and Secretary of State Kerry stood up to the warmongers, including more than a few in the Democratic Party, who want war with Iran.
http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2014/1/9/225357/2447
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)he's just widening the trail cut out by Clinton
Octafish
(55,745 posts)A great man. A complicated man. Helped make Arkansas a player on the global scale.
[font size="1"]George W. Bush, Harken Energy and Jackson Stephens, ca 197990?[/font size]
BCCI IN THE UNITED STATES
the octupus has many tenacles http://www.globalresearch.ca/inside-the-global-banking-intelligence-complex-bcci-operations/21404 alrighty
Jackson Stephens Sr. is a big-money man from Arkansas. A top donor to the Reagan and George H.W. Bush campaigns, he suddenly
switched to Clinton in 1990.He brought BCCI to US shores in 1979 and helped to launder cocaine profits from CIA drug smuggling in Mena, Arkansas and elsewhere.
Mochtar Riady is the Indonesian billionaire who was a joint investor with Little Rock billionaire Jackson Stephens in Worthen Bank when an investor group that included Jackson Stephens took over First American Bank in Washington, D.C.
Stephens, with the help of Bert Lance and others, brought in BCCI (Bank of Credit and Commerce International) to wrest control of the bank from that group, and to put it into the hands of friendlier partners.
The Stephens' software firm Systematics was to become the nation's biggest supplier of back-office banking software, and would eventually work closely with the National Security Agency to facilitate intelligence monitoring of banking transactions.http://www.reddirtreport.com/red-dirt-grit/jackson-stephens-bcci-and-drug-money-laundering
and it's the invisible ones that are the most dangerous
Indictments issued The New York district attorney handed down BCCI indictments last week; the General Accounting Office, the FBI, and the Federal Reserve Board are all conducting investigations. And the Justice Department has also thrown its hat into the ring. Although he says there's enough blame to go around for Democrats and Republicans alike, Kerry is under attack from Republican leadership for turning the BCCI affair into a partisan issue. And Kerry says he's already incurred the wrath of the Bush administration. "Yesterday [Thursday] I got a call from a friend of mine in Washington: 'Word's out on the street, the White House is trying to find out all the dirt on you they can. Confirmation hearings by the Senate Select Intelligence Committee on Bush's nomination of Gates as CIA director, are scheduled to begin begin Sept. 16. By then the congressional investigations into BCCI, which Mr. Gates reportedly referred years ago as the Bank of Crooks and Criminals, will be well underway, and Gates's possible BCCI role will be scrutinized.http://www.csmonitor.com/1991/0805/05092.html/(page)/3
I keep hoping that sometime before I die that I can vote for Mr or Mrs/Ms Clean in the dem party. ABout the only reason I've ever voted dem for pres since Carter in my youth, is to avoid the greater and lasting damage rightwing SCOTUS appointments can have.
albino65
(484 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)to the facts. you simply support the President so you refuse to admit that they are the facts.
albino65
(484 posts)However, this post is not worth commenting on except that the lack of support for the President and all Democrats in general will show up in the midterms and 2016. You'll get what you sow. A lot of people should get off their asses, turn off the computer and get to work on the next round of elections.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Let me know. Look down thread and you'll see why using the black agenda report or people with ties to that publication to state yr case is racist. It's like me using stormfront and saying it represents white people.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)...crashed Americas economy in the first place
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)if you've got nothing to say, just go with that.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It doesn't seem like you had anything to say either.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)I said what was needed. I was replying to a post that just yelled crap. I suggested that he poster should refrain from posting if he couldn't say why. I said why his post was pointless - it offered no reason or argument. I gave a reason. You seem to have a reason for your post, but I doubt it was the one you wrote.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I read it. I saw it differently. No substance to what you posted either. That is all I'm saying. You thought he had no point, I thought you had a shallow point.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)You wanted to jump in. You wanted to show support for a fellow true believer. I get it.
But there is a difference between yelling "Crap" and saying that something is crap because it offers no argument or rebuttal.
But you know that. You might want to edit your post since in it you contradict yourself. You said I did the exact (look up the word exact) thing the poster did. Then you said he had no point but that you thought my point was shallow.
Again, you just had to post before actually thinking.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)That's what you failed to understand. You failed to peruse the website BAR before you started getting on somebody for yelling crap. It's a hate website similar to stormfront.
AnneD
(15,774 posts)Obama chose starting at day one-he has done nothing but give away to corporate interests from day one. Just because he is a more palatable messenger to the more "liberal" of the American voting public doesn't make him more liberal. Of all the votes I have cast for president, he has been my greatest disappointment. I was suckered once but not twice. And no, I have not voted for a Republican since Richard Nixon. I learned my lesson then too.
If you get the chance to go up to the bell....you may as well ring it.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)By Greg Palast, Truthout | News Analysis
Monday, 07 October 2013 09:03
EXCERPT...
In 2001, I met Stiglitz whom I'd heard was quietly expressing grave doubts about austerity and structural adjustment à la Summers. He agreed to go public. Over several hours of discussion, which I recorded for BBC TV, Stiglitz charged that IMF-imposed austerity was " a little like the Middle Ages. When the patient died, they would say, well, we stopped the bloodletting too soon; he still had a little blood in him."
Stiglitz detailed for me the ill effects of the "structural adjustment" demands, including "free" trade, which he likened to the Opium Wars; bank deregulation, which he found ludicrously dangerous; privatization, which Stiglitz called "briberization"; and budget-cutting austerity.
The budget cuts and free-market nostrums, Stiglitz told me, were as cruel as they were stupid. And he said of those who profited off these IMF diktats, "They don't care if people live or die."
Stiglitz went on to win the Nobel Prize in economics for his skepticism of Markets über Alles.
CONTINUED...
http://truth-out.org/news/item/19213-the-golden-dawn-murder-case-larry-summers-and-the-new-fascism
PS: What a coincidence to see all the Goldman people heading European nations' austerity drives.
PPS: Must also be a coincidence that the word "austerity" is so missing from the political discussion shows on the television screens Sunday mornings.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... Bush didn't exist and has no bearing on where we're at now
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Every good DUer knows Reagan and Trickle Down Economics in 1981 started moving money from the middle class and what little the poor had and put it into the pockets of the Haves and Have-Mores.
The thing is, the phrase "Robin Hood in Reverse" goes back to Nixon:
It first showed up in the mainstream in 1971. George Meany, the firebrand labor leader and famed president of the AFL-CIO, was reacting to Richard Nixons New Economic Policy, which called for wage and price controls to tame inflation, as well as lifting some excise taxes to stimulate spending. Meany called the plan Robin Hood in Reverse, robbing the poor to pay the rich.
Details from Robert Frank of CNBC: http://www.cnbc.com/id/48550350
From Nixon, of course, we can draw a line to the Barons of Wall Street who opposed FDR -- and their offspring. Instead of allowing such to continue robbing the Treasury through fiat and war, I'd find it patriotic to see them jailed for the harm they've done to the People and the nation.
Titonwan
(785 posts)It's people like you that still compel me not to give up on monkeys. OK, human beings. Not too far from monkeys.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Never give up.
As for the monkeys, did you ever notice this?
Good for Mores. Great for the Have-Mores.
brisas2k
(76 posts)Obamas low-wage recovery
31 January 2014
President Obamas State of the Union address this week coincided with the release of several year-end profit reports. Profits for the firms listed on the S&P 500 stock market index jumped 11 percent in 2013, in large part because of declining wages and the increased exploitation of American workers.
In his national address Tuesday night, Obama acknowledged that corporate profits and stock prices have rarely been higher, and those at the top have never done better. But average wages have barely budged. Inequality has deepened. The cold, hard fact, he added, is that even in the midst of recovery, too many Americans are working more than ever just to get bylet alone get ahead.
As is his wont, the president posed as an innocent bystander, suggesting that some sections of the population had unfortunately missed out on four years of economic growth. In fact, the explosion of social inequality the president paid lip service to is the product of quite deliberate polices spearheaded by his administration.
Obamas principal task on coming to office was to initiate the largest transfer of wealthfrom the working class to the corporate and financial elitein US history. This began with the bailout of the financial system. It continued through the 2009 restructuring of GM and Chrysler, premised on the halving of wages for new hires and a shift in the burden of health care expenses from employers to workers.
Billions have been slashed from social programs, including the cut-off of long-term unemployment benefits and cuts in food stamps, and the administration has backed the bankruptcy of Detroit, which is seen as a national model for forcing through pension cuts and other measures.
The surge in corporate profits is one consequence of these policies. According to Bloomberg, US corporations after-tax profits have grown by more than 170 percent under Obama, more than any president since World War II. They have reached their highest level relative to the size of the economy since the government began keeping records in 1947. Profits are more than twice as high than their peak during the Reagan administration, which, beginning with the smashing of the PATCO air traffic controllers strike in 1981, initiated a class war against workers... (...)
[link:http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/01/31/pers-j31.html|
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)BAR and wsws.org in the same thread!!
Jane Hamsher and we hit the trifecta.
Sid
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Seems they've fixed the game to come out ahead. They've even got to move their money where it's safe, offshore.
Tax Offshore Wealth Sitting In First World Banks
James S. Henry
Forbes Magazine dated July 19, 2010
Let's tax offshore private wealth.
How can we get the world's wealthiest scoundrels--arms dealers, dictators, drug barons, tax evaders--to help us pay for the soaring costs of deficits, disaster relief, climate change and development? Simple: Levy a modest withholding tax on untaxed private offshore loot.
Many aboveground economies around the world are struggling, but the economic underground is booming. By my estimate, there is $15 trillion to $20 trillion in private wealth sitting offshore in bank accounts, brokerage accounts and hedge fund portfolios, completely untaxed.
SNIP...
This wealth is concentrated. Nearly half of it is owned by 91,000 people--0.001% of the world's population. Ninety-five percent is owned by the planet's wealthiest 10 million people.
SNIP...
Is it feasible? Yes. The majority of offshore wealth is managed by 50 banks. As of September 2009 these banks accounted for $10.8 trillion of offshore assets--72% of the industry's total. The busiest 10 of them manage 40%.
CONTINUED....
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0719/opinions-taxation-tax-havens-banking-on-my-mind.html
What do you think about that?
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sources do matter, you know.
Sid
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Still waiting to see you actually post something critical of the BFEE, a handle for the War Party and its banksters.
Titonwan
(785 posts)I'm glad there's some like us to look after the wee ones. Take care easy.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)'sources matter'.
Facts matter.
Attack the facts if you can, we'll decide the veracity of the sources because we Democrats are perfectly capable of sorting these things out. We don't need censors to tell us what to read and what not to read or what is a fact or what isn't.
However I have seen nothing from you on the 'facts'. So provide some Sid-approved sources that challenge the facts here.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Ducky of Awesome!
I'll watch this-
You need to go back to Roswell with a shovel and look for more evidence LOL
Octafish
(55,745 posts)It should.
An Interview with Tim Anderson on Obama's Commerce Nominee, Penny Pritzker, the Sub-Prime Queen
The Privilege of the Pritzkers
by DENNIS BERNSTEIN
CounterPunch, May 3-5, 2013
EXCERPT...
TA: $38 billion. One publication listed eight casinos, another listed 13, with each license worth a half a million dollars. There is another $5-7 billion in casinos. When you own 13 casinos for 5-7 billion, you are a player in the casino business. Thats just the hotels and casinos. There are many other companies they own such as the second largest chewing tobacco company, which they sold for 3.5 billion dollars. They actually owned the second and third largest chewing tobacco company, but have since off-loaded those for billions of dollars. Many of their assets are not what society considers clean assets, but hey dont care. As far as money goes, they want it. When it comes to casinos or chewing tobacco companies, they dont care. Their wealth is almost incalculable, because according to Forbes magazine, they are the only family in America to have off shore tax-free trusts because they were grandfathered in. Their off shore trust can ship money back to their family tax-free. It was grandfathered in because their grandfather got it through Congress he was smart to see the future and got it done. Congress closed the loophole and grandfathered him in. Forbesmagazine wrote about the Pritzkers off shore trust, they emphasized that there are over 1000 separate trusts. Many families have two or three different savings accounts to keep track of what money belongs to who, but when you have over 1000 different trusts to handle the family estate its very hard to comprehend how much wealth there is and how many businesses they control. A few years ago, Penny sold TransUnion, the largest credit reporting agency in America, but theres a question about whether she sold it to herself by selling it to various hedge funds which her family has a large interest in. Until she sold it, you could say that Penny Pritzker had more files on every citizen in America than the CIA and FBI combined, because everybody has a credit score and credit report. Penny Pritzker had the credit scores and report on every single citizen in America.
SNIP...
TA: She had TransUnion while she had Superior Bank, so she controlled the credit scores of everybody who was getting a subprime loan. You pay a higher interest on your subprime loan based on your credit score. Whether or not it was ever brokered between the credit bureau and the bank, we dont know, but we know the same people control both entities.
SNIP...
TA: Superior Bank was acquired back in 1989 as part of the original savings and loan giveaway by M, D and E Wall. As I wrote a in a paper for an economic conference in Denver, Superior Bank was sold to the Pritzkers for 42.5 million dollars. They changed the name from Lion Savings and Loan to Superior Bank after they acquired it. Lion Savings and Loan was sold to the Pritzkers just to put up money for the capital. But as government reports show, they only put up a million dollars cash and pledged their assets as the difference, the capital. Thats not supposed to be done, but they are privileged people so they get privileged deals. After they acquired this for $1 million they also got $640 million in tax credits.
SNIP...
TA: The tax credits were designed so they could use it in any entity they wanted. They didnt have to use it on what they bought. It could be sold on the open market for value, the credits could be used to file back taxes or warehouse them for future taxes. So for a million dollars, they got 640 million dollars for agreeing to take over Superior Bank, which they then looted for years then gave it back to the government with an enormous loss to the uninsured depositors and the whole subprime industry.
CONTINUED...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/05/03/the-privilege-of-the-pritzkers/
When I voted for Barack Obama, I believed he was going to appoint people who were interested in real change to positions of power. That didn't happen, did it?
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Time to say!
I'M NOT AFRAID!
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)so I wanted you to see this and hopefully explain it to me how the heck this can happen....did the justice department keep info from the solicitor general or did he knowingly tell a "falsehood" to the sc?
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Muhtorovs challenge has its roots in the case rejected by the Supreme Court last year. In deciding to dismiss, the Supreme Court relied upon the assurance by the U.S. solicitor general that the government would notify criminal defendants when it had used evidence from the surveillance.
But the solicitor general at the time did not know that the Justice Department had a policy to conceal such evidence from defendants. He learned of it only after some criminal defendants sought clarification of remarks that Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) made in late 2012 that the government had used evidence from warrantless monitoring in certain cases. The department reversed its policy last year.
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so the solicitor general presented false info to the supreme court????? because he did not know that justice department was (illegally) concealing evidence???
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/terrorism-suspect-challenges-warrantless-surveillance/2014/01/29/fb9cc2ae-88f1-11e3-a5bd-844629433ba3_story.html
dionysus
(26,467 posts)1) counterpunch
2) repeating the glen beckian type "Obama is penny pritzker's puppet" type spew...
u been reading TheBlaze much bro?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I'm black and I rarely agree with anything they have to say. They spend all of their efforts trying to bring down a black democratic president. Like all of the other presidents were so much better on black issues. They weren't, they were all worse even Clinton's ass. Welfare reform screwd the black community, the extreme sentencing for crack vs, cocaine was aimed at enslaving black males in our prisoner industrial complex.
Does anybody at the Black Agenda Report give a fuck that president Obama is trying to change these things and make the country work better for all of us? Of course not!
This man acts like he's privy to the very thoughts and wants of this president.
He forgets that the reason we were stuck with all of the deficit cutting mania was because not enough democrats showed up in 2010 and we had the TEA party take over. I'm tired of these tired ass fools from the black Agenda Report demanding that the president just magick us up some solutions.
And it's racist to think that just because the Black Agenda Report says something means that it's representative of all of the majority of black people. Next time somebody whips out a Black agenda report like it's supposed to mean something to black people I will personally call them a racist. The Black agenda report is just as representative of the thoughts and feelings of black people as storm front is representative of white people.
randr
(12,412 posts)as an example of racist stereotyping. It is the lack of any substantive representation of black issues and solutions that disturbs me.
Obama pardons a hand full of people convicted with draconian laws while admitting to the racist nature of these laws.
When will the remaining thousands be freed? Where is the outrage from the black community that has paid for the price of this injustice?
When will the black community call this President out for his failures to make right the wrongs he speaks of?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)But not at Obama for not fixing 300 years of racism in 8 years. We are outraged at white people for letting shit get to this point. Where are all of our white friends to stand up for us and say this is not fair. Why haven't they done more to help us? All those years of raising your kids and hoeing your fields for free I'd think white people would want to be out in front in fixing the racist system they created. Why is it up to black people to smash down the walls of white racism? Fix your families, fix your friends, call your grandmothers out for saying racist things if that's what it takes. Stop being so accepting of and accommodating to other white peoples racism and this shit will change must faster than if just us black people work on it. We've been fighting racism in America since we got here. It's time for y'all to catch up.
randr
(12,412 posts)I have been on the side of justice my whole life.
I am asking for examples of how the black community, acting in their own special interests as so many other groups have succeeded in doing, is addressing the simple issue I raised. I would not presume to use such an example of how black people think. It is only when we stand up for our rights and justice that we move the world. I see the war on drugs as a direct hit to the black communities across this Nation and I, personally, think it will only be resolved by shinning a light on it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We are not represented well in congress or the senate. We don't have much power. The only black leader we do have is constantly excoriated even by his own party, leaving us with very few leaders for a movement. When you have the very laws you live by being applied differently based on the color of your skin, what do you do?
If white people caused this problem of racism in our nation, then they can fix it much easier than we can. So I will start telling white people that it's their job to end white racism, it's not black peoples job to do it for them. Or hispanics job. Or Native American's job. Or immigrants jobs. I refuse to see white racism as my personal problem, since I don't benefit from it at all. Those that benefit from white racism have a duty to end it. If you accept the fruits of racism you are complicit in some way. If you protest it with every fiber of your being and deny yourselves the fruit of white racism, then welcome Friend.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Oh my God. I'm sitting here with my fist in the air, girl!!!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)So disgusting to make excuses for themselves by blaming the victims for not changing the system.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Titonwan
(785 posts)And I travel by your thoughts all the time. I'm Chickasaw but light complected so a lot of my associates think me white. That's where you see a lot of covert racism.
You know what? I call them on their bullshit every. damned. time.
You have to shame fearful braggarts if nothing else works. I have NO problem gettin' in folk's grill if they can't see the error of their thinkin'.
Racism is wrong and it's just gone underground now. That's all.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I live in Alaska and we have a lot of Natives ( don't call them Indian they will yell at you) and you should see how they are disrespected right here in their own land. It's messed up. It's worse than any racism I ever experienced as a black person.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Does anybody at the Black Agenda Report give a fuck that president Obama is trying to change these things and make the country work better for all of us? Of course not!
...no. It's envy.
In fact, everything the President has done along those lines are completely ignored by them as they spin their distortions, and get little attention here.
In some parts of the United States, it is now legal to sell marijuana to adult consumers. But an unforeseen problem recently popped up that hadnt received much attention before: businesses that sell pot cant open a bank account.
Because federal law still classifies cannabis as a Schedule I illegal narcotic, federally regulated banks dont want to do business with pot retailers or dispensaries, even when theyre legal. Indeed, they cant banks would be subject to criminal penalties under money-laundering laws.
For policymakers, there are a couple of options. Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.), for example, wants to reform the Controlled Substances Act so that marijuana is no longer a Schedule I illegal narcotic and banks wont have anything to worry about. Since that would require congressional approval, its unlikely well see this change anytime soon. (See the correction below.)
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* Update: I heard from Blumenauers office this afternoon, which said congressional action on reforming the Controlled Substances Act may not be necessary the Attorney Generals office can act unilaterally without lawmakers approval. With this in mind, it would appear Holder can declassify marijuana as a Schedule I illegal narcotic at his discretion and without congressional input.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/making-the-banking-system-marijuana-friendly
National Cannabis Industry Association Applauds Attorney General...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024381790
By Laura W. Murphy
Attorney General Eric Holder just called mass incarceration a moral and economic failure. He just outlined several major proposals that he says will help to ease major overcrowding in federal prisons. And he just suggested that federal prosecutors should avoid harsh mandatory minimums for certain low-level, non-violent drug offenses.
What should we make of the nations top prosecutor calling out the US for throwing too many people behind bars and challenging the failed war on drugs?
First off, we should acknowledge that this is a big deal! This is the first speech by any Attorney General calling for such massive criminal justice reforms. This is the first major address from the Obama Administration calling for action to end the mass incarceration crisis and reduce the racial disparities that plague our criminal justice system. In the same speech, the Attorney General committed to take on the school-to-prison pipeline and called on Congress to end the forced budget cuts that have decimated public defenders nationwide. This is great news.
The ACLU can proudly say that it has been deeply engaged in policy discussions with this administration, and Democrats and Republicans in Congress. Many of the reforms that we have long championed made it into the Attorney Generals speech, including:
- Developing guidelines to file fewer cases
- Directing a group of U.S. Attorneys to examine sentencing disparities and develop recommendations to address them
- Directing every U.S. Attorney to designate a Prevention and Reentry Coordinator
- Directing every DOJ component to consider whether regulations have collateral consequences that impair reentry
- Reducing mandatory minimum charging for low-level drug offenses
- Expanding eligibility for compassionate release; and
- Identifying and sharing best practices for diversion programs
- Calling into question zero tolerance policies and other policies that lead to the school to prison pipeline
- Challenging the legal community to make the promise of Gideon (right to counsel) more of a reality
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http://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform-racial-justice/how-process-eric-holders-major-criminal-law-reform-speech
By CHARLIE SAVAGE
WASHINGTON The Obama administration on Thursday expanded its effort to curtail severe penalties for low-level federal drug offenses, ordering prosecutors to refile charges against defendants in pending cases and strip out any references to specific quantities of illicit substances that would trigger mandatory minimum sentencing laws.
The move, announced by Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. at a speech before the annual conference of the Congressional Black Caucus, builds on a major policy change he unveiled last month to avoid mandatory minimum sentencing laws in future low-level cases.
By reserving the most severe prison terms for serious, high-level, or violent drug traffickers or kingpins, we can better enhance public safety, Mr. Holder said. We can increase our focus on proven strategies for deterrence and rehabilitation. And we can do so while making our expenditures smarter and more productive.
The policy applies to defendants who meet four criteria: their offense did not involve violence, the use of a weapon, or selling drugs to minors; they are not leaders of a criminal organization; they have no significant ties to large-scale gangs or drug trafficking organizations; and they have no significant criminal histories.
- more -
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/20/us/politics/administration-orders-new-step-to-curtail-stiff-drug-sentences.html
Background on progress.
By Laura W. Murphy
June 2011 marks the 40th anniversary of President Richard Nixon's declaration of a "war on drugs" a war that has cost roughly a trillion dollars, has produced little to no effect on the supply of or demand for drugs in the United States, and has contributed to making America the world's largest incarcerator. Throughout the month, check back daily for posts about the drug war, its victims and what needs to be done to restore fairness and create effective policy.
Today is an exciting day for the ACLU and criminal justice advocates around the country. Following much thought and careful deliberation, the United States Sentencing Commission took another step toward creating fairness in federal sentencing by retroactively applying the new Fair Sentencing Act (FSA) guidelines to individuals sentenced before the law was enacted. This decision will help ensure that over 12,000 people 85 percent of whom are African-Americans will have the opportunity to have their sentences for crack cocaine offenses reviewed by a federal judge and possibly reduced.
This decision is particularly important to me because, as director of the ACLU's Washington Legislative Office, I have advocated for Congress and the sentencing commission to reform federal crack cocaine laws for almost 20 years. In 1993, the ACLU lead the coalition that convened the first national symposium highlighting the crack cocaine disparity entitled "The 100 to 1 Ratio: Racial Bias in Cocaine Laws." Now, 25 years after the first crack cocaine law was enacted in the 1986 Anti-Drug Abuse Act, the sentencing commission has taken another step toward ending the racial and sentencing disparities that continue to exist in our criminal justice system.
By voting in favor of retroactivity, I am pleased that the commission chose justice over demagoguery and concluded that retroactivity was necessary to ensuring that the goals of the FSA were fully realized. It is important to remember that even with today's commission vote not every crack cocaine offender will have his or her sentence reduced. Judges are still required to determine whether a person qualifies for a retroactive reduction so, contrary to what some have said, this is not a "get out of jail free card."
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http://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/justice-served
Chance at Freedom: Retroactive Crack Sentence Reductions For Up to 12,000 May Begin Today
http://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/chance-freedom-retroactive-crack-sentence-reductions-12000-may-begin-today
By THE EDITORIAL BOARD
In 2010, Congress passed the Fair Sentencing Act, which reduced the vast disparity in the way the federal courts punish crack versus powder cocaine offenses. Instead of treating 100 grams of cocaine the same as 1 gram of crack for sentencing purposes, the law cut the ratio to 18 to 1. Initially, the law applied only to future offenders, but, a year later, the United States Sentencing Commission voted to apply it retroactively. Republicans raged, charging that crime would go up and that prisoners would overwhelm the courts with frivolous demands for sentence reductions. Senator Charles Grassley of Iowa said the commission was pursuing a liberal agenda at all costs.
This week, we began to learn that there are no costs, only benefits. According to a preliminary report released by the commission, more than 7,300 federal prisoners have had their sentences shortened under the law. The average reduction is 29 months, meaning that over all, offenders are serving roughly 16,000 years fewer than they otherwise would have. And since the federal government spends about $30,000 per year to house an inmate, this reduction alone is worth nearly half-a-billion dollars big money for a Bureau of Prisons with a $7 billion budget. In addition, the commission found no significant difference in recidivism rates between those prisoners who were released early and those who served their full sentences.
Federal judges nationwide have long expressed vigorous disagreement with both the sentencing disparity and the mandatory minimum sentences they are forced to impose, both of which have been drivers of our bloated federal prison system. But two bipartisan bills in Congress now propose a cheaper and more humane approach. It would include reducing mandatory minimums, giving judges more flexibility to sentence below those minimums, and making more inmates eligible for reductions to their sentences under the new ratio.
But 18 to 1 is still out of whack. The ratio was always based on faulty science and misguided assumptions, and it still disproportionately punishes blacks, who make up more than 80 percent of those prosecuted for federal crack offenses. The commission and the Obama administration have called for a 1-to-1 ratio. The question is not whether we can afford to do it, but whether we can afford not to.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/02/opinion/sentencing-reform-starts-to-pay-off.html
Washington Gives Us Something to Get Excited About (No, Really!)
http://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/washington-gives-us-something-get-excited-about-no-really
WASHINGTON Laura W. Murphy, director of American Civil Liberties Union's Washington Legislative Office, responded to Attorney General Eric Holder's proposed policy to reverse the growth of the federal prison population in advance of a speech today at the American Bar Association's Annual Meeting:
"Today, the attorney general is taking crucial steps to tackle our bloated federal mass incarceration crisis, and we are thrilled by these long-awaited developments.
"By mandating that U.S. attorneys change charging practices for low-level, non-violent offenders, these policies will make it more likely that wasteful and harmful federal prison overcrowding will end. Over the last year, in one of the few areas of bipartisanship, members of Congress have come together to call for smart criminal justice reform. While today's announcement is an important step toward a fairer justice system, Congress must change the laws that lock up hundreds of thousands of Americans unfairly and unnecessarily."
Throughout Eric Holder's tenure, going back to the successful passage of the Fair Sentencing Act in 2010, the ACLU has worked closely with the attorney general, his staff, and DOJ leadership to develop several of the policy changes announced today.
http://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform/aclu-comment-doj-plans-reduce-non-violent-drug-sentences
By THE EDITORIAL BOARD
You know a transformational moment has arrived when the attorney general of the United States makes a highly anticipated speech on a politically combustible topic and there is virtually no opposition to be heard.
That describes the general reaction to Eric Holder Jr.s announcement on Monday that he was ordering a fundamentally new approach in the federal prosecution of many lower-level drug offenders. What once would have elicited cries of soft on crime now drew mostly nods of agreement. As Mr. Holder said, its well past time to take concrete steps to end the nations four-decade incarceration binge the result of harsh sentencing laws enacted in response to increased violent crime in the late 1960s and 1970s.
The statistics have been repeated so often as to be numbing: 1.57 million Americans in state and federal prisons, an increase of more than 500 percent since the late 1970s, at a cost of $80 billion annually. In 2010, more than 7 in 100 black men ages 30 to 34 years old were behind bars. The federal system alone holds 219,000 inmates, 40 percent above its capacity, thanks to strict sentencing guidelines and mandatory minimum sentences. Of these inmates, nearly half are in prison for drug-related crimes.
In Mr. Holders words, too many Americans go to too many prisons for far too long, and for no truly good law enforcement reason. Many criminal-justice experts have long felt the same way. What made Mr. Holders speech timely and important was that it reflected a fundamental shift in thinking about crime and punishment at the highest levels of government.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/14/opinion/smarter-sentencing.html
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Then we'd see things like this posted at the black agenda report. Too bad those tickets went to a hotel worker or something. I know he was mad about that but I expected him to be over it by now. He and Tavis Smiley bore me.
And I stoped listening to NPR a few years ago. Way to right wing and over the top! Sad. I use to like them.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)C'mon, buddy. Start right now accusing as "racists" DU members who never made or ever implied that Glen Ford's posts represent anything more than his own personal opinion. What are you waiting for? Are you afraid you might (quite correctly) get kicked off the site for doing so?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)If so you are racist.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Passive aggressive.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)This thread made me sad and sleepy.
90-percent
(6,829 posts)If I have my facts and history correct, which is hard as hell to do in this time of agenda driven corporate propaganda that is our six corporation owned Main Stream Media, weren't there perhaps nine hundred BANKSTERS that got prosecuted and JAILED during the S&L scandals of the GHW Bush administration in the late 80's?
Compare that with the number of prosecutions for the crimes that triggered this GREAT RECESSION? Bernie Madoff got sent up the river. Can anyone name any others that were jailed for their criminal hands in triggering this GREAT RECESSION?
Our Oligarch's seem hell bent with creating an entire generation of people with NOTHING LEFT TO LOOSE. I hope our .01% have hired 24/7 bodyguards and body armor for themselves and their entire extended families. Desperate people do desperate things.
-90% Jimmy
randr
(12,412 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
randr
(12,412 posts)Still waiting while the overall state of our systems decays.
How about those high speed trains-=gotta love em.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Who ever heard of government doing anything, apart from creating jobs to help end the Depression and winning World War II because of a highly publicly educated populace? No, today we know it's like Ronald Reagan said: It's the private sector that does great things, like nuclear power, apart from the MANHATTAN Project and providing insurance through the Price-Anderson Nuclear Industries Indemnity Act, that is, and jobs!
Agree 100-percent, randr. We could rebuild the nation and transform the planet with half of what we spend on defense each year. Anyone who can read knows there are so many problems to solve, needs to meet, and challenges to overcome that were government to ACT like it did in forming the programs of the New Deal, there would be two jobs for every applicant. Instead, we take the head-in-the-sand posture of the Geritol guzzling pruneface actor who should be on Rush Mountmore, judging from how his policies still rule Wall Street on the Potomac.
randr
(12,412 posts)and upgrade the existing pipe lines we would not need the Keystone XL and many more jobs would be created.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)From the "Wouldn't Be Prudent" Department
Poppy Strikes Gold
Sunday, April 27, 2008
Originally Posted July 9, 2003
By Greg Palast
EXCERPT...
Who is this "Barrick" to whom our former president would lease out the reflected prestige of the Oval Office? I could not find a Joe Barrick in the Canadian phone book. Rather, the company as it operates today was founded by one Peter Munk. The entrepreneur first came to public notice in Canada in the 1960s as a central figure in an insider trading scandal. Munk had dumped his stock in a stereo-making factory he controlled just before it went belly up, leaving other investors and government holding the bag. He was never charged, but, notes Canada's Maclean's magazine, the venture and stock sale "cost Munk his business and his reputation." Yet today, Munk's net worth is estimated at $350 million, including homes on two continents and his own island.
How did he go from busted stereo maker to demi-billionaire goldbug? The answer: Adnan Khashoggi, the Saudi arms dealer, the "bag man" in the Iran-Contra arms-for-hostage scandals. The man who sent guns to the ayatolla teamed up with Munk on hotel ventures and, ultimately, put up the cash to buy Barrick in 1983, then a tiny company with an "unperfected" claim on the Nevada mine. You may recall that Bush pardoned the coconspirators who helped Khashoggi arm the Axis of Evil, making charges against the sheik all but impossible. (Bush pardoned the conspirators not as a favor to Khashoggi, but to himself.)
Khashoggi got out of Barrick just after the Iran-Contra scandal broke, long before 1995, when Bush was invited in. By that time, Munk's reputation was restored, at least in his own mind, in part by massive donations to the University of Toronto. Following this act of philanthropy, the university awarded Munkadviser Bush an honorary degree. Several students were arrested protesting what appeared to them as a cash-for-honors deal.
Mr. Munk's president-for-hire did not pay the cost of his rental in Indonesia. The return on Barrick's investment in politicians would have to come from Africa.
Mobutu Sese Seko, the late dictator of the Congo (Zaire), was one of the undisputed master criminals of the last century having looted hundreds of millions of dollars from his national treasury and a golfing buddy of the senior Bush. That old link from the links probably did not hurt Barrick in successfully seeking an eighty-thousand-acre gold-mining concession from the Congolese cutthroat. Bush himself did not lobby the deal for Barrick. It wasn't that the former president was squeamish about using the authority of his former posts to cut deals with a despot. Rather, at the time Bush was reportedly helping Adolf Lundin, Barrick's sometime industry rival. Africa specialist Patrick Smith of London disclosed that Bush called Mobutu in 1996 to help cinch a deal for Lundin for a mine distant from Barrick's.
CONTINUED...
http://www.gregpalast.com/poppy-strikes-gold/
The real owners and operators of Five Eyes look out for each others' greedy and pimply backsides.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)embrace the haters: Black Agenda Report
http://www.counterpunch.org/2007/06/14/obama-s-siren-song/
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m79807&hd=&size=1&l=e
More embarrassing crap.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Decided to bring him up myself.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)A guy who claims to be "left of center" on the campaign trail and then once in office governs to the right of Reagan, or a guy who wrote what he thought in 2007 and continues to back it up in writing today?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)The OP is an embarrassment. A known Obama hater dismissing everything the President said as "a festival of lies," when his piece is complete nonsense.
You may want to latch onto that, but it's embarrassing.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)You should learn more about the Constitution. It's why I put the country ahead of the party or the President.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)WTF?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)It reads like you're telling me you know what's good for me.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Titonwan
(785 posts)with the high odometer post count led to at least one of my 'comment removed' actions lately. I think the mods here need to reconsider Alzheimer's in which judges they appoint. Unless of course DU has combined with the DLCC, that is.
cali
(114,904 posts)and you would support Obama no matter what he did. literally.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"he may be an Obama hater, but you don't do anything to refute him"
LOL! Yes, he's an Obama hater, and you latched on. Where is your attempt to "refute" him?
The facts refute him: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024419298#post98
It's ironic that a person would post distortions to support his claim that the President's SOTU was a "festival of lies."
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)The guy is green with envy, a distortionists and spreader of misinformation.
Deal with it.
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ProSense
(116,464 posts)that Glen Ford was a DUer.
LOL!
ProSense
(116,464 posts)I think those who actually believe that everything the President said should be characterized as "a festival of lies" are beyond being embarrassed.
It's as easy to embrace anything anti-Obama, regardless of how irrational, as the RW who can say with a straight face that he's a Muslim.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)That's absolute bullshit. It will have an immediate impact on a half a million workers.
By Heather C. McGhee and Amy Traub
When it comes to boosting economic opportunity, President Obama isnt going to wait for Congress anymore...the President made a powerful statement about employers obligation to reward work -- starting with his own obligation as the executive in charge of millions of federal contracts.
In a study we released last May, Demos found that nearly two million private sector employees paid with federal tax dollars through contracts, loans, grants, leases and health spending, earn wages too low to support a family. These are people working on behalf of America, doing jobs that we have decided are worthy of public fundsyet theyre being treated in a very un-American way. Thats why federal workers have been walking off the job for the last year...Now the President has taken a major step to lift up hundreds of thousands of those workers. In the process, the president will help families work their way up out of poverty and give new momentum to efforts to raise the minimum wage for everyone laboring too hard for too little in todays low-pay economy.
The truth is that preferring contractors who pay workers at least $10.10 an hour will have benefits far beyond the workers themselves and their families. When our tax dollars subsidize and promote the creation of low-wage jobs rather than positions that enable workers to afford the necessities of life, there is a ripple effect throughout the economy: poorly-paid workers have less to spend in their communities, and businesses facing less consumer demand in turn hire fewer workers, stunting economic recovery. Low-paid workers also contribute less in taxes and more often need public benefits to provide for their families....From the 1931 Davis-Bacon Act onward, the idea that the federal government should be a model employer and that employees working on behalf of the public should have strong workplace protections has an extensive history in our country. The use of executive orders to improve the employment practices of companies granted federal contracts also has a long precedent. Beginning in 1941, successive presidents from both parties signed executive orders aimed at preventing employment discrimination by federal contractors. President Obamas order raising wages for companies that do business with the federal government follows this successful precedent.
If the cost of federal contracts is a concern, the spotlight should be not on the employees who will finally see a raise to $10.10 an hour, but rather on the over $21 billion a year the government spends on the pay of their bosses, the top executives at contracting firms. After Demos put a number on this subsidy of executive excess in a September report, Congress included a lower maximum pay reimbursement for contractors in its December budget deal. But even the lower cap still provides executives a roughly $234.00 an hour subsidy. When you consider that our current contracting system fuels inequality through both lavish compensation for CEOs and poverty wages for front-line workers, it becomes clear where cost-cutting efforts should be focused.
- more -
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/economy-budget/196837-executive-order-on-federal-contracting-means-real-action
On the lower cap for maximum pay...
By Josh Hicks
Federal worker unions have applauded a new limit on pay for government contractors, but one industry group has warned that the arbitrary cap will cause problems for those who do business with federal agencies.
The restriction, which came as part of the new budget deal Congress and President Obama approved last month, reduced the highest level of contractor compensation from its previous annual limit of $952,000 per individual to $487,000 per individual, a drop of nearly 49 percent.
The Professional Services Council, a group that represents the professional- and technical-services industries, said in a statement on Friday that the rule will inhibit the ability of companies to attract top talent.
<...>
The American Federation of Government Employees has argued since at least last year for lowering the limit to $230,700, which would match Vice President Bidens salary in 2013. The organization included that proposal in its list of 2014 legislative priorities.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2014/01/03/varied-views-on-new-contractor-pay-cap/
Obama pushes to limit federal spending on corporate executive pay
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022927167
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Only if those half million workers are currently earning less than $10.10.
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-01-29/a-minimum-wage-raise-for-federal-contractors-wont-change-that-much
Now if he would raise it to $15.00 per hour we'd have something.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Only if those half million workers are currently earning less than $10.10. "
...that change the fact the the OP claim is bullshit?
- more -
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/22/3189571/pentagon-workers-strike-wages/
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-01-29/a-minimum-wage-raise-for-federal-contractors-wont-change-that-much
ProSense
(116,464 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)million workers." Is in dispute.
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-01-29/a-minimum-wage-raise-for-federal-contractors-wont-change-that-much
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Had to say Ford, wouldn't want another false alert.
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)Clinton's successful "third way" strategy was for the most part taking GOP ideas and making them his own much to their frustration. It is what pushed the right wing even further to the right as they struggled to find policy differences they could exploit during elections. The GOP learned some lessons from that time and combined with their hatred of a black man in the Oval Office, they decided on a strategy of total obstruction. In short, even when President Obama governs like Republican, he is rejected by conservatives and that will not change before he leaves office.
Obama is not now and has never been a Progressive Liberal. The record is quite clear on that.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)causing more obstruction so that conveniently Dems can't get more Progressive Legislation through that would benefit the working people, environment, jobs, etc.
I hadn't quite made that connection but it makes sense. That's why both parties are suddenly looking so much alike to many of us. Same Republican goals and policies get obscured when we Dems focus so much on the RW Crazie's antics and obstructionism we don't think enough of the connection between Clinton's policies and now Obama's being Reagan /Bush Republican continuation.
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)real political genius. Welfare to work and NAFTA are two good examples of initiatives that Clinton straight up stole from the GOP and made his own. The GOP was flummoxed by this strategy for a few years allowing Clinton to get reelected. The GOP struggled to find big differences in issues to highlight during the reelection of Clinton and that effort drove them further to the right.
Obama has, since the beginning, used the Clinton strategy during his Admin. Again, it has driven some conservatives even further to the right and, I believe, given birth to the Tea Party. This group easily staked out ground far to the right of mainstream old guard Republicans and that is what we are seeing today in our political system. Gridlock is far better for conservatives because it denies Obama victories EVEN IF the victories are something that they themselves had championed a few years back. What we see out here in flyover is simply gridlock which is being caused by Obama adopting the Clinton way.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)how this all worked down to what we deal with today.
I thought it was profound what you said...even though many of us had that rumbling around in our heads trying to figure out what was going on....Your Post really pulls it together in a way that the "lightbulb" goes off!
Connecting the Dots...and this conclusion...and HOW do we work with this knowledge as Democrats once we have "The Awakening." That's gotta be the challenge going forward.
But, recognizing "The Problem" is always the first step to repair...(I think someone famous said that and I'm paraphrasing) but...I think, at least, an awakening can lead to change that's more constructive for the future than what we Dems have been doing for the Past Decades.
solarhydrocan
(551 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Wiki Government, Next Economy, Four Freedoms Center, Justice, Organized Labor, Education, Housing, Health Care...and more.
They also discussed President Obama's fifth SOTU address:
http://rooseveltinstitute.org/roosevelt-reacts-2014-state-union
mother earth
(6,002 posts)reform is not being mentioned at all. It's the elephant in the room, so why would anything change without that first being tackled.
One cannot promote fast track for TPP and then have any credibility whatsoever when decrying economic inequality. The two contradict and TPP serves the same plutocracy that has corrupted gov't and capitalism.
K & R
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Machiavelli's maxim, perfected by billionaires and the revolving door between Washington and Wall Street. Example:
Theo Lubke
For the government: Chairman of the New York Fed
On Wall Street: Chief Regulatory Reform officer at Goldman Sachs
SNIP...
Mona Sutphen
For the government: Obamas Deputy Chief of Staff
On Wall Street: She's just been hried to head up macro analysis for the bank at UBS
More examples: http://www.businessinsider.com/wall-street-washington-revolving-door-2011-4?op=1
UncleMuscles
(44 posts)Have been rolled back, cancelled, overturned, or corrected since Obama has been president?
Does anyone have a list like that?
I'm asking because I honestly don't know.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I know Don Siegelman is in prison. Then-solicitor general Elena Kagan helped get him there, in agreement with BFEE federal judge Mark Fuller. And the Legal Schnauzer who kept his story before the public is now in jail.
Regarding the rest of the hold-overs, a nice read:
Is This Barack Obama's 2nd Term? Is it Bill Clinton's 3rd? Or Is It Ronald Reagan's 9th?
They say that elections do matter, and that there are real differences between Republican and Democratic presidents. But backing up the view to 30 years, that difference looks a lot more like continuity, both at home and in America's global empire.
By Bruce A. Dixon
Black Agenda Report managing editor
The answer is yes to all three. Ronald Reagan hasn't darkened the White House door in decades. But his policy objectives have been what every president, Democrat and Republican have pursued relentlessly ever since. Barack Obama is only the latest and most successful of Reagan's disciples.
SNIP...
In Barack Obama's case all he had to say was that he wasn't necessarily against wars, just against what he called stupid wars. Corporate media and liberal shills morphed that lone statement into a false narrative that Barack Obama opposed the war in Iraq, making him an instantly viable presidential candidate at a time when the American people overwhelmingly opposed that war. Once in office, Barack Obama strove mightily to abrogate the Status of Forces Agreement with Iraq which would have allowed US forces to remain there indefinitely. But when the Iraqi puppet government, faced with a near revolt on the part of what remained of Iraqi civil society, dared not do his bidding, insisting that uniformed US troops (but not the American and multinational mercenaries we pay to remain there) stick to the withdrawal timetable agreed upon under Bush, liberal shills and corporate media hailed the withdrawal from Iraq as Obama's victory.
Barack Obama doubled down on the invasion and occupation of large areas of Afghanistan, and increased the size of the army and marines, which in fact he pledged to do during his presidential campaign. Presidential candidate Obama promised to end secret imprisonment and torture. The best one can say about President Obama on this score is that he seems to prefer murderous and indiscriminate drone attacks, in many cases, over the Bush policy of international kidnapping secret imprisonment and torture. The Obama administration's reliance on drones combined with US penetration of the African continent, means that a Democratic, ostensibly antiwar president has been able to openly deploy US troops to every part of that continent in support of its drive to control the oil, water, and other resources there.
The objectives President Obama's Africa policies fulfill today were put down on paper by the Bush administration, pursued by Bill Clinton before that, and still earlier pursued by Ronald Reagan, when it funded murderous contra armies of UNITA in Angola and RENAMO in Mozambque. It was UNITA and RENAMO's campaigns, assisted by the apartheid regimes of Israel and South Africa that pioneered the genocidal use of child soldiers. Today, cruise missile liberals hail the Obama administration's use of pit bull puppet regimes like Uganda, Burundi and Rwanda, all of which shot their way into power with child soldiers, to invade Somalia and Congo, sometimes ostensibly to go after other bad actors on the grounds that they are using child soldiers.
CONTINUED...
http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/barack-obamas-2nd-term-it-bill-clintons-3rd-or-it-ronald-reagans-9th
"Cruise Missile Liberals." One doesn't have to be a $5,000 a plate subscriber to know that hit home.
PS: Thanks for your great question, UncleMuscles! A hearty welcome to DU!
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Fred Hampton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton
Rex
(65,616 posts)people try and kill the messenger and completely avoid the message. Not ha ha funny, but still funny.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Thank goodness it is only a few here that like to stir up shit by avoiding the big questions. Hopefully their ilk will crawl back under a rock somewhere.
-p
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"With the worst inequality in history, funny watching people try and kill the messenger and completely avoid the message. Not ha ha funny, but still funny."
...the President didn't cause the "worst inequality in history."
The fact that this asshole is excusing Bush is also telling.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Followed by a half dozen rofl smileys! Not worth it, Prosense!
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"WHY do you even bother responding to that person? He types the same damn thing in every thread!
Followed by a half dozen rofl smileys! Not worth it, Prosense!"
...are just agitators.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024420929#post26
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024420929#post32
Of course, some just don't make much sense.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Spend your time on those who actually contribute instead of merely agreeing with what everyone else in a thread is saying or entering a thread for the sole purpose of throwing insults over nothing. The frequently overused smilies would probably be better conversationalists, to be honest.
Okay: I actually read that second link. Head scratching is the only word to describe that.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)you will not expect her to fix the wealth inequality. You probably already have your excuses ready. Actually you can probably reuse the Obama excuses. "Things are horrible and getting worse by the day, but it isnt Obama's fault. He is completely powerless. "
" Passing the TPP will really help the people via trickle down. Remember strong corporations mean a strong nations."
A vote for Clinton-Sachs is a vote for greater wealth inequality. Of course it wont be her fault.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"You probably already have your excuses ready. Actually you can probably reuse the Obama excuses...A vote for Clinton-Sachs is a vote for greater wealth inequality."
...will your vote mean? What did your vote for Obama mean?
I love how people go around blaming other people for the person they voted for.
I have my opinion of Obama, I voted for him.
You have your opinion of Obama, you voted for him.
Skip the self-righteous nonsense.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)then I am guilty. Those of you that seem to be ok with the status quo will, undoubtedly be happy with H. Clinton-Sachs. She has already pledged allegiance to Goldman-Sachs. She should have to wear a sponsor's patch.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"If you call being against the growing wealth inequality 'self-righteous nonsense'"
Attempting to twist what I said is not an answer.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)a question directly related to your comment.
Based on your current response, you appear to be the "master" of projection.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)It's a strategy, her and her buds gets your post censured so the tone of the thread can be changed. Pretty basic strategy. I would tell you what an old timer told me, but that would get me censured too. Good Luck on DU!
-p
Oh and I forgot, after enough them then you can just get banned! yeay!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)"It's a strategy, her and her buds gets your post censured so the tone of the thread can be changed. Pretty basic strategy. I would tell you what an old timer told me, but that would get me censured too. Good Luck on DU!"
Rabid paranoia. I sincerely hope that no one is that interested in you.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)-p
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"What kind of question is "What did your vote mean"?"
...the "kind of question" someone involved in the exchange from the first point would understand.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024419298#post274
Phlem
(6,323 posts)Thanks for clarifying.
Wow! Now your a mission huh?
-p
Rex
(65,616 posts)They have no point but to stir the pot. Pathetic I know, but I guess they do have a use as an example of what not to be like on a public forum.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)mike_c
(36,281 posts)Today's democratic party has little resemblance to the progressive political ideals that I support. Much of it's leadership shares responsibility for abandoning those ideals, and has no place in a liberal party that actually represents the interests of the 99%.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)-p
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)And your post gets to stand. How handy.
-p
dionysus
(26,467 posts)you might get it hidden. I don't give a shit
Phlem
(6,323 posts)But you go on with your bad self.
Good Day! Happy hugs and all!
-p
PS...I'm so sorry, but you have no idea what I'm talking about.
Roses and Hugs!
ProSense
(116,464 posts)http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/why-barack-obama-more-effective-evil
Obamacare is Doomed by Its Internal Logic
http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/obamacare-doomed-its-internal-logic
Fight him this election year. Fight him every year that hes here.
Dude is a loon.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)I can see the general segue from logic to absurd in the leap you make. I'll include that in my analysis.
Cheers all you lovely people!
-p
dionysus
(26,467 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)a theme in all these attacks on the SOTU: attacking the health care website and proposed actions by Obama.
They hate the fact that the health care law is working and that the President is going to do stuff.
This is why these screeds are laced with memes about "historical" inequity, as if to create the perception that Obama's policies caused a four-decade in the making problem.
They completely ignore the steps he has taken to address the issue, but declare he deserves the blame.
Obamacare works, and it's pissing off people like Ford.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)but for different reasons than the RWers
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Glen Ford used the phrase "ever increasing austerity" to accurately depict the overall domestic policies of the United States federal government since before the time of Ronald Reagan.
In that period, as Trickle Down and Voodoo Economics replaced the New Deal and Great Society, government policies have been skewed mightily toward the wealthy so that most of the wealth created has accumulated in the pockets of the ultra rich -- not in the pockets of those whose work created it.
My source: David Stockman.
I notice you never use sources, dionysus. It's like readers are supposed to know you and take your word over Glen Ford's. Sorry, I can't and won't.
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struggle4progress
(118,309 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Here's one Joseph Wilson I do identify with:
Here's why -- he questions authority, even when his party heads the executive branch:
Valerie Plame And Joe Wilson:
'What Exactly Is The US Government Doing In The People's Name To 'Keep Us Safe?'
ROB WILE
Business Insider, JUN. 23, 2013, 7:38 PM
In an op-ed published by The Guardian, former CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson and former diplomat Joe Wilson lay into the arguments being made to defend the NSA's domestic surveillance program.
Their views would seem to carry some additional weight given a former White House advisor was sentenced to prison for lying during the investigation into who leaked Plame's name while she was still undercover.
That reportedly happened in retaliation for her husband's op-ed casting doubt on claims made by the Bush administration about Iraq's interest in weapons of mass destruction.
The pair write:
Prism and other NSA data-mining programs might indeed be very effective in hunting and capturing actual terrorists, but we don't have enough information as a society to make that decision. Despite laudable efforts led by Senators Ron Wyden and Mark Udall to bring this to the public 's attention that were continually thwarted by the administration because everything about this program was deemed "too secret", Congress could not even exercise its oversight responsibilities. The intelligence community and their friends on the Hill do not have a right to interpret our rights absent such a discussion.
They also go after intelligence contractors, which they say now comprises a "vast intelligence-industrial complex":
Today, the intelligence sector is so immense that no one person can manage, or even comprehend, its reach. When an operation in the field goes south, who would we prefer to try and correct the damage: a government employee whose loyalty belongs to his country (despite a modest salary), or the subcontractor who wants to ensure that his much fatter paycheck keeps coming?
SOURCE: http://www.businessinsider.com/valerie-plame-and-joe-wilson-on-nsa-2013-6
You could learn a lot from Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame, struggle4progress.
Almost forgot: The other Joe Wilson, I seldom think of -- unless reminded of him by smear artistes or know-nothings.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Mockery, ridicule, and ad hominem attacks that's all those that support the TPP have.
struggle4progress
(118,309 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Keep it up Octa, they are getting desperate!
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)When they crawl out to whine, you know you've done the right thing.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I cannot disagree with this article.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)From William K. Black
New Economic Perspectives, February 1, 2014
EXCERPT...
In his introduction to his third edition, Paine warned about the Deal Bookers of his day who accepted the legitimacy of the powerful dominating and plundering the people because it had always been that way. Paine decried the fact that this lazy failure to question the domination of the powerful led inexorably to a defense of their exploitation in the form of an unthinking reflex in favor of custom.
(A) long habit of not thinking a thing WRONG, gives it a superficial appearance of being RIGHT, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom.
Paine championed the need for the American people to pierce through the pretensions of the elites and exercise the peoples right to reject the usurpations of power by the King and the English parliament.
(T)he good people of this country are grievously oppressed by the combination, they have an undoubted privilege to inquire into the pretensions of both, and equally to reject the usurpation of either.
Lord Acton made famous the phrase: power corrupts; and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Paines pamphlet, long before Actons birth, shared the same key understanding.
First. That the King it not to be trusted without being looked after; or in other words, that a thirst for absolute power is the natural disease of monarchy.
In our day, we see that thirst in what scholars have dubbed our Imperial CEOs. In Paines era, the King was the most powerful, but Paine refused to fawn over the powerful. He advised that if we had the sense to strip away the pomp and the myths spread by sycophants we would find a plunderer.
(C)ould we take off the dark covering of antiquity and trace them to their first rise, we should find the first of them nothing better than the principal ruffian of some restless gang, whose savage manners of pre-eminence in subtilty obtained him the title of chief among plunderers; and who by increasing in power and extending his depredations, overawed the quiet and defenseless to purchase their safety by frequent contributions.
Paine predated more conservative writers who would later echo his warnings, though often in the service of financial elites. Frédéric Bastiat understood the role that the James Stewarts of the world play in glorify(ing) those who use their great power to plunder.
When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.
CONTINUED...
http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2014/02/jamie-dimons-10-million-raise-common-sense-fraud-reward.html#more-7552
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)They make it soooo damn personal: " And if you do believe it, then crown him the Most Effective Liar of the young century." Paragraph one. Like I'm going to keep reading after that red freeper flag? And that goes for Hedgehog, Scabes and the rest of the haters, including the grand master Noam, who took the prize by calling Obama the world's greatest terrorist last summer. Dunno why it's not obvious to everyone else but is to me: these snakes are playing the Southern strategy card and I find it very hard to believe that they don't know it.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)that gets passed along here in the spirit of "criticism" has opened the door to every crackpot and misinformation peddler on the interwebs.
People can (and do) post outright lies and only to receive praise as righteous "truth-tellers."
Dishonest and phony beyond belief.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Like this shit site promoted in the OP...it's all good!
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)...and Main Street and the rest of the country are suffering for it. That's not just Glen Ford -- it's what William K. Black, the forensic economist who helped prosecute the Savings & Loan crooks, sees.
Jamie Dimons $10 Million Raise is a Common Sense Fraud Reward
Posted on February 1, 2014 by Devin Smith | 2 Comments
By William K. Black
Andrew Ross Sorkin (and his Deal Book team at the New York Times) seemed to have built an insurmountable lead in the race to be declared the most unctuous panderer to the financial plutocrats who grew wealthy by leading the frauds that blew up our economy. As I wrote recently, Politico became my instant dark horse candidate for the Streets sycophant-in-chief with Ben Whites fantasy that In 2009, Washington went to war against big Wall Street banks. I noted that the war consisted of the Treasury and the Fed dumping trillions of dollars on the biggest Wall Street banks and evoked Tevye in Fiddler on the Roof: May the Lord smite me with (such a war). And may I never recover!
CONTINUED...
http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2014/02/jamie-dimons-10-million-raise-common-sense-fraud-reward.html#more-7552
Which makes me wonder why people would attack Black Agenda Report for pointing out the problem, woo me with science. Why they don't want you and all DUers to learn the facts reveals them to be most un-democratic.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)It's like an "Involuntary Facebook for the 1-percent."
Here's hoping for democratic change via truth, AzDar!
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)here???? And the rest of the article is no better...some of the most vile shit I've ever read about race:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2007/06/14/obama-s-siren-song/
Why would someone who agrees with the winger meme that Obama is "alienated" because his mother was white be a fit source to you?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)What's it called when a person drags in unrelated point in order to deflect attention from the main point?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Oh hell...I can't figure out your defense of this guy...please expand and tell us why a person who thinks the President is "alienated" because of his white mother is a fit source to you.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)What's that called, msanthrope?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)fact that Ford is a disingenuous asshole who has always distorted the President's position and shown his hatred for the man doesn't seem to matter.
As long as it's anti-Obama, it's all good, right?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)That's a matter of opinion. But, I happen to agree with it. Here's why:
Evidence of an American Plutocracy: The Larry Summers Story
By Matthew Skomarovsky
LilSis.org
Jan 10, 2011 at 19:31 EST
So here is the evidence for an American plutocracy of a narrow and discrete but hardly harmless sort. Wall Street seduced the economics profession not through overt corruption, but by aligning the incentives of economists with its own. It was very easy for academic economists to move from universities to central banks to hedge funds a tightly knit world in which everyone shared the same views about the self-regulating and beneficial effects of open capital markets. The alliance was enormously profitable for everyone: The academics got big consulting fees, and Wall Street got legitimacy. And it has kept the system going despite the enormous policy failures it has generated, not to exclude the recent crisis.
Francis Fukuyama, The American Interest, January 2011
Larry Summers path to the Obama administration, and his record within it, are symptomatic of a new American plutocracy, and his new job at Harvard will keep the gears of corruption greased.
Summers rose to power under the protective wing of Wall Street and Democratic Party mogul Robert Rubin. He aggressively advanced Rubins program of financial deregulation and faithfully rescued his cronies when deregulation went wrong. Despite the economic catastrophes these policies have contributed to, Summers and other Rubinites have continued their political ascendancy in recent years, filling top positions in the Obama administration.
Obamas economic program, developed almost entirely by Rubins proteges, has received widespread popular condemnation for bailing out Wall Street while leaving Main Street out in the cold. Summers has become a defining symbol of the latest sold-out administration within a sold-out system of government. His departure from the White House is more a reflection of this public anger than a personal career choice.
But strategic sensitivity is not change. Summers exit does not significantly diminish Rubins shadow over the White House, nor does it mark an end or pause in the vicious cycle of todays crony capitalism. Obama has replaced Summers with a less notorious Rubinite, and the Harvard research center Summers will now direct provides a name-brand intellectual cover for, not an alternative to, the dangerously insular politics his career has thus far embodied.
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Another new business model Rubin and Summers made possible was Enron. Rubin had known Enron well through Goldman Sachss financing of the company, and recused himself from matters relating to Enron in his first year on the Clinton team. He and Summers went on to craft policies at Treasury that were essential to Enrons lucrative energy trading business, and they were in touch with Enron executives and lobbyists all the while. Enron meanwhile won $2.4 billion in foreign development deals from Clintons Export-Import Bank, then run by Kenneth Brody, a former protege of Rubins at Goldman Sachs.
Soon after Rubin joined Citigroup, its investment banking division picked up Enron as a client, and Citigroup went on to become Enrons largest creditor, loaning almost $1 billion to the company. As revelations of massive accounting fraud and market manipulation emerged over the next years and threatened to bring down the energy company, Rubin and Summers intervened. While Enrons rigged electricity prices in California were causing unprecedented blackouts, Summers urged Governor Gray Davis to avoid criticizing Enron and recommended further deregulatory measures. Rubin was an official advisor to Gov. Davis on energy market issues at the time, while Citigroup was heavily invested in Enrons fraudulent California business, and he too likely put pressure on the Governor to lay off Enron. Rubin also pulled strings at Bushs Treasury Department in late 2001, calling a former employee to see if Treasury could ask the major rating agencies not to downgrade Enron, and Rubin also lobbied the rating agencies directly. (In all likelihood he made similar attempts in behalf of Citigroup during the recent financial crisis.) Their efforts ultimately failed, Enron went bust, thousands of jobs and pensions were destroyed, and its top executives went to jail. Its hard to believe, but there was some white-collar justice back then.
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http://blog.littlesis.org/2011/01/10/evidence-of-an-american-plutocracy-the-larry-summers-story/
Until we see economic fairness restored -- through fiscal and other government policies and regulation -- the rich will keep getting richer; the middle class will continue dissolving into the new poor; and the poor will become the silent super-majority. Glen Ford writes that from the perspective of a longtime advocate for justice.
BTW: What you wrote above, ProSense, is your opinion. I don't agree with that.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"''Wall Streetthe 1 percentbelieves the world is theirs for the taking, and they want all of it.''"
The OP is about the President's SOTU.
Another week, another outburst by a one-percenter comparing progressive taxation to Nazi atrocities. I particularly liked the end:
Kristallnacht was unthinkable in 1930; is its descendent progressive radicalism unthinkable now?
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You do wonder why the WSJ published this screed. Do billionaires have the right to get their views aired, regardless? Did the Journal think that it was doing a public service by letting the rest of us see the loose screws in this guys head? Or what I suspect, to be frank did the relevant editors actually think he was making a useful point?
Anyway, thinking about this sort of thing makes me realize that theres a danger, especially for progressives, of confusing the proposition that Obamas billionaire haters are stark raving mad which is true with the proposition that Obama has done nothing that hurts the plutocrats interests, which is false. Actually, Obama has been tougher on the one percent than most progressives give him credit for.
Start with taxes. The Bush tax cuts havent gone completely away, but at the very high end they have been pretty much reversed; plus there are additional high-end taxes associated with Obamacare. The result is that taxes on wealthy Americans have basically been rolled back to pre-Reagan levels:
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http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/01/26/obama-and-the-one-percent
zappaman
(20,606 posts)INGREDIENTS
CHILI
6 large dried ancho chiles* (about 3 ounces), stemmed, seeded, coarsely torn
6 ounces bacon, diced
1 1/4 pounds onions, chopped (about 4 cups)
1 5-pound flat-cut (also called first-cut) beef brisket, cut into 2 1/2- to 3-inch cubes
Coarse kosher salt
6 large garlic cloves, peeled
2 tablespoons chili powder
2 teaspoons cumin seeds
1 teaspoon dried oregano
1 teaspoon ground coriander
1 1/2 teaspoons coarse kosher salt
1 1/2 10-ounce cans fire-roasted diced tomatoes with green chiles (1 3/4 cups)
1 12-ounce bottle Mexican beer
1 7-ounce can diced roasted green chiles
1/2 cup finely chopped fresh cilantro stems
4 cups 1 1/2- to 2-inch chunks seeded peeled butternut squash (from 3 1/2-pound squash)
GARNISHES
Fresh cilantro leaves
Chopped red onion
Diced avocado
Shredded Monterey Jack cheese
Warm corn and/or flour tortillas
PREPARATION
View Step-by-Step Directions
CHILI
Place chiles in medium bowl. Pour enough boiling water over to cover. Soak until chiles soften, at least 30 minutes and up to 4 hours.
Preheat oven to 350°F. Sauté bacon in heavy large ovenproof pot over medium-high heat until beginning to brown. Add onions. Reduce heat to medium; cover and cook until tender, about 5 minutes. Sprinkle beef all over with coarse salt and pepper. Add to pot; stir to coat. Set aside.
Drain chiles, reserving soaking liquid. Place chiles in blender. Add 1 cup soaking liquid, garlic, chili powder, cumin seeds, oregano, coriander, and 1 1/2 teaspoons coarse salt; blend to puree, adding more soaking liquid by 1/4 cupfuls if very thick. Pour puree over brisket in pot. Add tomatoes with juices, beer, green chiles, and cilantro stems. Stir to coat evenly.
Bring chili to simmer. Cover and place in oven. Cook 2 hours. Uncover and cook until beef is almost tender, about 1 hour. Add squash; stir to coat. Roast uncovered until beef and squash are tender, adding more soaking liquid if needed to keep meat covered, about 45 minutes longer. Season chili to taste with salt and pepper. Tilt pot and spoon off any fat from surface of sauce. DO AHEAD Can be made 2 days ahead. Cool 1 hour. Chill uncovered until cold, then cover and keep chilled.
GARNISHES
Set out garnishes in separate dishes. Rewarm chili over low heat. Ladle chili into bowls and serve.
*Available at many supermarkets and at specialty foods stores and Latin markets
Octafish
(55,745 posts)You should read the article. It has everything to do with the thread.
BTW: If I wanted to waste time, I'd post a chart showing top tax rates in order to add graphic interest and related text in order to add bulk, but nothing of substance. A better choice would buttress the great strides the administration could make to reduce income inequality by raising corporate profits taxes and capital gains taxes, which overwhelmingly benefit the rich.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)describe the President, repeatedly, is a fit source. Tell us why you picked a source that would use such racist terms.
Don't you google before you post stuff??
zappaman
(20,606 posts)"Let's say straight up, right up front, that Black Agenda Report considers Barack Obama not to be the lesser of the evils, but to be the more effective evil."
That's Glen Ford who said it.
But the OP, who is still trying to solve the mysteries of crop circles, doesn't care if African American DUers, as well as many other DUers, are offended.
Typical and a intriguing view into a very sad life.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)a critic who is Black will make your claims stronger and shield you from the charge of racism is even worse.
I am reminded of when Justice Sotomayor was up for confirmation, and the Republicans thought Manuel Miranda was a fit person to critique her....that was a classic fail.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)that seem unwilling to discuss the message.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"I see alot of posts attacking the messenger that seem unwilling to discuss the message."
...post pointing out that Ford is a disingenuous bastard and showing where is claims are false.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024419298#post98
I mean the asshole claims the SOTU is a "festival of lies," points out that the President supported a minimum wage of 9.50, and then attacks him for stating that he will use an executive action to raise the minimum wage for federal contract workers to $10.10.
Is one of the "festival of lies" that the President once supported a lower wage?
The asshole then goes on to make a completely dishonest claim that the number of workers affected by the action will be "zero."
The "festival of lies" is Ford's bullshit and desperate distortion.
JEB
(4,748 posts)executive order. I'm open to further information. TPP is especially problematic for me. I don't think the actual working people of this country can stand another big sellout to corporate interests.
JEB
(4,748 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)"No valid points whatsoever?.....OK, I see."
...aren't interested in "valid points": http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024419298#post466
I mean, your response to that was to post some unrelated article by someone other than Ford.
JEB
(4,748 posts)are not interested in discussing "valid points" of policy brought up by Ford or other authors. Surprising really as I have read many informative posts by you with multiple links, but not on the issues brought up in the OP. Carry on with obfuscation.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Yes, I did post to another article by another author...Carry on with obfuscation."
...projection. Yeah, carry on.
JEB
(4,748 posts)Or is this some kind of shouting match?
"You honestly can't see how the two articles are related? Or is this some kind of shouting match?"
...your attempt at deflection? How is it related to the point I made: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024419298#post466
JEB
(4,748 posts)relating to your post 466.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)They are the War Party -- the Secret Government who use the powers of Washington to enrich their chums on Wall Street. Bartcop pegged the fascist Outfit the Bush Family Evil Empire, BFEE for short, due to their global and multigenerational treachery as henchmen of the Dulles Brothers and their employers, Brown Brothers Harriman and the ultrarich.
One example, based on what the OP's talking about and the BFEE influence on our present political and economic reality:
Poppy Strikes Gold
Greg Palast
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Who is this "Barrick" to whom our former president would lease out the reflected prestige of the Oval Office? I could not find a Joe Barrick in the Canadian phone book. Rather, the company as it operates today was founded by one Peter Munk. The entrepreneur first came to public notice in Canada in the 1960s as a central figure in an insider trading scandal. Munk had dumped his stock in a stereo-making factory he controlled just before it went belly up, leaving other investors and government holding the bag. He was never charged, but, notes Canada's Maclean's magazine, the venture and stock sale "cost Munk his business and his reputation." Yet today, Munk's net worth is estimated at $350 million, including homes on two continents and his own island.
How did he go from busted stereo maker to demi-billionaire goldbug? The answer: Adnan Khashoggi, the Saudi arms dealer, the "bag man" in the Iran-Contra arms-for-hostage scandals. The man who sent guns to the ayatolla teamed up with Munk on hotel ventures and, ultimately, put up the cash to buy Barrick in 1983, then a tiny company with an "unperfected" claim on the Nevada mine. You may recall that Bush pardoned the coconspirators who helped Khashoggi arm the Axis of Evil, making charges against the sheik all but impossible. (Bush pardoned the conspirators not as a favor to Khashoggi, but to himself.)
Khashoggi got out of Barrick just after the Iran-Contra scandal broke, long before 1995, when Bush was invited in. By that time, Munk's reputation was restored, at least in his own mind, in part by massive donations to the University of Toronto. Following this act of philanthropy, the university awarded Munkadviser Bush an honorary degree. Several students were arrested protesting what appeared to them as a cash-for-honors deal.
Mr. Munk's president-for-hire did not pay the cost of his rental in Indonesia. The return on Barrick's investment in politicians would have to come from Africa.
Mobutu Sese Seko, the late dictator of the Congo (Zaire), was one of the undisputed master criminals of the last century having looted hundreds of millions of dollars from his national treasury and a golfing buddy of the senior Bush. That old link from the links probably did not hurt Barrick in successfully seeking an eighty-thousand-acre gold-mining concession from the Congolese cutthroat. Bush himself did not lobby the deal for Barrick. It wasn't that the former president was squeamish about using the authority of his former posts to cut deals with a despot. Rather, at the time Bush was reportedly helping Adolf Lundin, Barrick's sometime industry rival. Africa specialist Patrick Smith of London disclosed that Bush called Mobutu in 1996 to help cinch a deal for Lundin for a mine distant from Barrick's.
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http://www.gregpalast.com/poppy-strikes-gold/
Poppy should be in jail, not given lifetime achievement medals. JFK tried to make things like international diplomacy, let alone mineral extraction, peace-based and more democratic.