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rurallib

(62,431 posts)
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:21 AM Jan 2014

Comment on the soldier introduced by Obama at SOTU

I was only partially listening to my radio, but am fairly sure I heard that this soldier had had 10 deployments, including several after he was injured.

My mouth fell open. I am no expert but didn't we once limit one soldier to on or possibly two deployments? Seems almost like torture to keep sending soldiers into battle. Plus that no doubt limits the number of soldiers we will need meaning that a somewhat exclusive cadre of people become our soldier class.

If America is going to war the whole population should be part of the fighting corps. This would of course temper leaders from taking troops into war. I have always felt when W started his wars, Jenna and Barbara should have been on the front lines.

Finally - aren't many of these soldiers in the reserves and national guard? Aren't these supposed to be part-timers? Holy cow - 10 deployments!

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Comment on the soldier introduced by Obama at SOTU (Original Post) rurallib Jan 2014 OP
Rangers do short tours Abnredleg Jan 2014 #1
"Deployment" means different things at different times alcibiades_mystery Jan 2014 #2
That's the difference between an all volunteer arm;y WhiteTara Jan 2014 #3
I was a Marine from 2002 - 2012, when I was medically discharged rudolph the red Feb 2014 #4

Abnredleg

(670 posts)
1. Rangers do short tours
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:49 AM
Jan 2014

Ranger units typically do tours of 2-3 months, as opposed to 12 month tours for regular line units. Ten tours equates to 30 months - there are plenty of solders who have done 3 one year tours.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
2. "Deployment" means different things at different times
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:58 AM
Jan 2014

We're used to thinking of the Vietnam deployments (tours) of 1 year (or 13 months for Marines), and you were limited to one unless you voluntarily re-upped, but that was also because of the conscript military, where many soldiers were in for three years at most. Even then, additional deployments were not necessarily another year; you could re-up for four months, and that would be considered another "tour." Incentive for doing so was often reduced time in when you DEROSed. Even troops who did a year in Vietnam had to serve out the rest of their commitment stateside. If you were offloading freight for your tour and seeing no combat, you'd certainly re-up for four months to avoid a boring-as-fuck year getting yelled at by stateside junior officers at Leonard Wood. Even troops in combat units chose that route some times. In WW2, you were generally considered deployed for the duration, but that didn't mean at the "front" the whole time. Even in WW1, units would be rotated in and out of the firing line, even if it was deployed for the duration. That said, ten deployments is still a shocking figure, even if some of those are two months at such-and-such a place, and the like.

WhiteTara

(29,719 posts)
3. That's the difference between an all volunteer arm;y
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 04:18 PM
Jan 2014

and a conscripted one. You can work the hell out of a volunteer whereas if you do that to a conscripted soldier, it would be considered torture. But we don't really respect our military and use them like work mules and when they're injured we just ignore them.

 

rudolph the red

(666 posts)
4. I was a Marine from 2002 - 2012, when I was medically discharged
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 04:00 AM
Feb 2014

The SpecOps guys operate under different rules, they are rotated in and out based on specific circumstances. They are usually in harms way for maybe 1-3 months at a time, but each rotation can be counted as a deployment. Whereas, the typical Marine/Soldier/Airman is there for 6-12 months. By that definition, I was deployed 36 times.

The whole 10 deployment outrage is a farce that people who have no idea how the military works can latch on to.

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