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This should be good.
http://news.cincinnati.com/viewart/20140130/NEWS01/301300103/Bill-Nye-debate-Creation-Museum-live-Cincy-com
The much-anticipated debate on Tuesday night between Bill Nye "The Science Guy" and Ken Ham, founder of the Creation Museum, was sold out in minutes, but can still be seen live on Cincinnati.com or on your mobile devices with the CincyMobile app (http://bit.ly/1d1hn8B).
The event, which is scheduled to begin at 7 p.m., is expected attract plenty of attention in scientific and faith circles, as Nye is a high-profile advocate of science education and Ham is a leader among Christians who believe the Bibles origin story is a factual account of the Earths beginnings
Ham had been hoping to attract the star of TVs Bill Nye The Science Guy to the northern Kentucky museum after Nye said in an online video last year that teaching creationism was bad for children. The video was viewed nearly 6 million times on YouTube.
Having the opportunity to hold a cordial but spirited debate with such a well-known personality who is admired by so many young people will help bring the creation-evolution issue to the attention of many more people, including youngsters, Ham said.... MORE
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http://news.cincinnati.com/interactive/article/20140130/NEWS01/140130027/Watch-live-Bill-Nye-Ken-Ham-debate-creationism-Creation-Museum
lame54
(35,295 posts)X_Digger
(18,585 posts)It grants morons like Ham legitimacy that they really don't deserve. I expect a series of Gish Gallop 'gotcha' spews, with Bill trying to keep up.
Ham (and his supporters) will consider it a win if he can get Bill flustered.
As someone else commented:
In their home waters, their arguments are based on dissecting and interpreting the Bible, much the way a lawyer dissects and interprets the law.
When they try to enter the realm of science they switch books, but not tactics. They comb science books looking for loop holes or trying to find some hook on which to hang an objection. They have no idea why this doesn't impress us.
Brother Buzz
(36,448 posts)I understand Ham has mastered the Gish Gallop.
For those who arent familiar with the term, it's named after a tactic that (surprise!) another Creationist became notorious for using:
Named for the debate tactic created by creationist shill Duane Gish, a Gish Gallop involves spewing so much bullshit in such a short span on that your opponent cant address let alone counter all of it. To make matters worse a Gish Gallop will often have one or more talking points that has a tiny core of truth to it, making the person rebutting it spend even more time debunking it in order to explain that, yes, its not totally false but the Galloper is distorting/misusing/misstating the actual situation. A true Gish Gallop generally has two traits.
1) The factual and logical content of the Gish Gallop is pure bullshit and anybody knowledgeable and informed on the subject would recognize it as such almost instantly. That is, the Gish Gallop is designed to appeal to and deceive precisely those sorts of people who are most in need of honest factual education.
2) The points are all ones that the Galloper either knows, or damn well should know, are totally bullshit. With the slimier users of the Gish Gallop, like Gish himself, its a near certainty that the points are chosen not just because the Galloper knows that theyre bullshit, but because the Galloper is deliberately trying to shovel as much bullshit into as small a space as possible in order to overwhelm his opponent with sheer volume and bamboozle any audience members with a facade of scholarly acumen and factual knowledge.