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theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 11:38 AM Jan 2014

Watch Bill Nye debate at Creation Museum on Cincinnati.com

This should be good.



http://news.cincinnati.com/viewart/20140130/NEWS01/301300103/Bill-Nye-debate-Creation-Museum-live-Cincy-com

The much-anticipated debate on Tuesday night between Bill Nye "The Science Guy" and Ken Ham, founder of the Creation Museum, was sold out in minutes, but can still be seen live on Cincinnati.com or on your mobile devices with the CincyMobile app (http://bit.ly/1d1hn8B).

The event, which is scheduled to begin at 7 p.m., is expected attract plenty of attention in scientific and faith circles, as Nye is a high-profile advocate of science education and Ham is a leader among Christians who believe the Bible’s origin story is a factual account of the Earth’s beginnings

Ham had been hoping to attract the star of TV’s “Bill Nye The Science Guy” to the northern Kentucky museum after Nye said in an online video last year that teaching creationism was bad for children. The video was viewed nearly 6 million times on YouTube.

“Having the opportunity to hold a cordial but spirited debate with such a well-known personality who is admired by so many young people will help bring the creation-evolution issue to the attention of many more people, including youngsters,” Ham said.... MORE

Also see:
http://news.cincinnati.com/interactive/article/20140130/NEWS01/140130027/Watch-live-Bill-Nye-Ken-Ham-debate-creationism-Creation-Museum

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Watch Bill Nye debate at Creation Museum on Cincinnati.com (Original Post) theHandpuppet Jan 2014 OP
Get ready to get your ass kicked by a guy with a bow-tie lame54 Jan 2014 #1
Frankly, I'm ambivalent. X_Digger Jan 2014 #2
How does one debate a load of steaming, stinking Gish Gallop? Brother Buzz Jan 2014 #3

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
2. Frankly, I'm ambivalent.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 11:52 AM
Jan 2014

It grants morons like Ham legitimacy that they really don't deserve. I expect a series of Gish Gallop 'gotcha' spews, with Bill trying to keep up.

Ham (and his supporters) will consider it a win if he can get Bill flustered.

As someone else commented:

Creationists think like lawyers, not scientists.

In their home waters, their arguments are based on dissecting and interpreting the Bible, much the way a lawyer dissects and interprets the law.

When they try to enter the realm of science they switch books, but not tactics. They comb science books looking for loop holes or trying to find some hook on which to hang an objection. They have no idea why this doesn't impress us.

Brother Buzz

(36,448 posts)
3. How does one debate a load of steaming, stinking Gish Gallop?
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:04 PM
Jan 2014

I understand Ham has mastered the Gish Gallop.

For those who aren’t familiar with the term, it's named after a tactic that (surprise!) another Creationist became notorious for using:


Named for the debate tactic created by creationist shill Duane Gish, a Gish Gallop involves spewing so much bullshit in such a short span on that your opponent can’t address let alone counter all of it. To make matters worse a Gish Gallop will often have one or more ‘talking points’ that has a tiny core of truth to it, making the person rebutting it spend even more time debunking it in order to explain that, yes, it’s not totally false but the Galloper is distorting/misusing/misstating the actual situation. A true Gish Gallop generally has two traits.

1) The factual and logical content of the Gish Gallop is pure bullshit and anybody knowledgeable and informed on the subject would recognize it as such almost instantly. That is, the Gish Gallop is designed to appeal to and deceive precisely those sorts of people who are most in need of honest factual education.

2) The points are all ones that the Galloper either knows, or damn well should know, are totally bullshit. With the slimier users of the Gish Gallop, like Gish himself, its a near certainty that the points are chosen not just because the Galloper knows that they’re bullshit, but because the Galloper is deliberately trying to shovel as much bullshit into as small a space as possible in order to overwhelm his opponent with sheer volume and bamboozle any audience members with a facade of scholarly acumen and factual knowledge.

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