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"Check Your Privilege": A Rant (Original Post) snooper2 Jan 2014 OP
selfless kick... snooper2 Jan 2014 #1
Oh, I see Aerows Jan 2014 #2
Did you listen to it all or did it just go over your head? snooper2 Jan 2014 #3
I watched it Aerows Jan 2014 #4
I disagree I think the point he was making was privilege isn't Arcanetrance Jan 2014 #5
If you aren't privileged Aerows Jan 2014 #13
I can see your viewpoint on that Arcanetrance Jan 2014 #16
We all bear scars Aerows Jan 2014 #17
I see what you're saying now. Sorry I'm not always the quickest Arcanetrance Jan 2014 #18
Everyone had different levels of privilege snooper2 Feb 2014 #26
I thought some of the same thing hfojvt Jan 2014 #7
I agree with the last part hfojvt Jan 2014 #6
it's not golf Egnever Jan 2014 #8
Yep, that's one of the best points he makes snooper2 Jan 2014 #9
So, I heard 3 parts Sentath Jan 2014 #10
It just comes off as Aerows Jan 2014 #11
Since I am seeing any lack of "handicaps" in that video, I understand why he is ranting. William769 Jan 2014 #12
I think he makes a lot of sense quinnox Jan 2014 #14
How dare us people Aerows Jan 2014 #15
sadly, his video apparently is confusing johnnypneumatic Jan 2014 #19
"Preachy, arrogant, hostile, combative, and generally annoying" (1:45). Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #20
WTF?????n/t mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #21
*Tone* goes a long way. n/t Smarmie Doofus Feb 2014 #22
I find him ironic. gollygee Feb 2014 #23
Good point, actually. But I think he's right anyway. Smarmie Doofus Feb 2014 #24
I thought he made perfect sense. Shandris Feb 2014 #25
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
3. Did you listen to it all or did it just go over your head?
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 03:59 PM
Jan 2014

6:20 on- he kind of nails it on the head right

Arcanetrance

(2,670 posts)
5. I disagree I think the point he was making was privilege isn't
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 04:23 PM
Jan 2014

clear cut or black and white. He's sick of people trying to boil it down to small quantifiable things. He made the point many times privilege should be discussed.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
13. If you aren't privileged
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:50 PM
Jan 2014

it comes off as condescending. "How dare you interrupt my bubble that I love you people! How dare you question my commitment to equality for you people!"

Arcanetrance

(2,670 posts)
16. I can see your viewpoint on that
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 06:07 PM
Jan 2014

I thought he was saying about the complexity of the issue was a good point. Yes I'm a white straight male but I also have an eye disease that'll cause me to be completely blind in a few years in fact I lost my job last night partially due to my diminishing vision. I have a body covered in scars some self inflicted from depression issues and other from accidents. So alot of time people don't like to look at me I don't go swimming which is something I love cause people make comments and stare. Would you say I'm a privileged individual because I am a white straight male or do the other things make it a wash. I'm really not trying to diminish anyone or their life experiences or offend you.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
17. We all bear scars
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 06:26 PM
Jan 2014

physical, mental or emotional. None of it diminishes the experiences we have. Talking about our scars is a way to heal from them. Flaunting that you don't have any and lording it over those that do have scars isn't productive, which is what that video seemed to be doing.

Just my .02, and by no means will everyone agree with that perspective.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
26. Everyone had different levels of privilege
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 11:56 AM
Feb 2014

Did you have good parents who loved you?

Do you have running water and a shitter?

Do both your legs work?

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
7. I thought some of the same thing
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 04:28 PM
Jan 2014

He rails against these preachy people, and yet sounds pretty darn preachy himself.

But I agree with his main message, which is sorta that we need more compassion and understanding and less judgementalism.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
6. I agree with the last part
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 04:25 PM
Jan 2014

"the last thing you should want to do it to alienate a potential ally"

and yet he begins his rant by saying "the content of this video is going to get some people riled up."

I mean, he is kinda hoist by his own petard as he tells people, "stop preaching at other people and telling them to think and act differently, it just alienates them." as he admittedly tells other people to think and act differently and admits his "rant" will "get some people riled up".

Just admit that it is kinda tough getting somebody to change their point of view, and that it is better to talk respectful to them (which this video really does not) than it is to talk down to them (which this video does).

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
8. it's not golf
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 04:32 PM
Jan 2014

exactly!

I groaned when I saw this posted thinking great another video telling me to feel guilty.

I was pleasantly surprised to find it to be something I totally agree with. Which is not to say i dont think privilege exists but that is much more complicated than many of the preachy stuff that has been posted here would like to make it seem.

We have a long way to go to equality in America of that there is little doubt. We all need to work on it regardless of our particular classification on the privilege scale.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
9. Yep, that's one of the best points he makes
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 04:42 PM
Jan 2014

100's, 1000's of factors define privilege...

some people just want to see it in one dimensional terms

Sentath

(2,243 posts)
10. So, I heard 3 parts
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 04:47 PM
Jan 2014

1) No one likes harsh criticism

Sure, ok. I can understand that this language makes him very uncomfortable. But sweetness only goes so far.

2) The human condition is irreducibly complex

Err, no. Just no.

3) Don't be harsh

Hm, I dunno. Is this a matter of asking people to use language appropriate to the situation* or a case of poor boundaries and inappropriate taking up of fault and targetedness? I can't say without knowing what incident he is reacting to.

*Harsh and righteous language can be called for.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
11. It just comes off as
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:14 PM
Jan 2014

"adjust your message so it is more palatable and doesn't offend anyone that is privileged."

William769

(55,147 posts)
12. Since I am seeing any lack of "handicaps" in that video, I understand why he is ranting.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:23 PM
Jan 2014

P.S. I'm all out of teaching and also along that line you can't teach the stupid or the bigoted. Ignorance on the other hand is teachable but in this day & age very few are ignorant. Take that for whats it's worth.

johnnypneumatic

(599 posts)
19. sadly, his video apparently is confusing
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 09:03 PM
Jan 2014

I don't think he succeeded, I'm not clear what he is trying to say.
but if people are assuming he is one of the "priviledged", that is not the case
this is RJ and he is not "white" he is from a Cuban background
he is also bisexual, engaged to marry his boyfriend

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
20. "Preachy, arrogant, hostile, combative, and generally annoying" (1:45).
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 09:23 PM
Jan 2014

Nailed it. It's usually not helpful to pompously lecture people about how "privileged" they are.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
24. Good point, actually. But I think he's right anyway.
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 12:24 AM
Feb 2014

"Hypocrisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue."

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
25. I thought he made perfect sense.
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 12:45 AM
Feb 2014

It's not a difficult concept to grasp -- when you quantify people by labeling them into boxes, you are stereotyping them...which is one of the very things that the whole conversation was started to stop in the first place.

And anyone commenting about "why doesn't he watch his tone?!", do you realize you sound like "why don't you tolerate my intolerance?!"

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