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pampango

(24,692 posts)
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:06 PM Jan 2014

Poll: conservative and moderate republicans oppose fast track by a ratio of 85 percent or higher.

Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) Poll: Only The Strongest Obama Supporters Want Him To Have Fast Track Authority

Americans are not keen on Congress giving U.S. President Barack Obama what he wants: the authority to negotiate a massive free-trade pact among a comity of Pacific Rim countries and then deliver the results to Capitol Hill for a swift up-or-down vote, known as fast-track authority. Overall, the U.S. public is cooling to the idea of free-trade agreements, believing, unlike they have in the past, that multinational agreements to bring down trade barriers is costing U.S. jobs while favoring large multinational corporations over the interests of small businesses.

U.S. lawmakers are most certainly tracking public sentiment to the subject of free trade and how their support or opposition will play out in their districts as voters head to the polls. And if this national poll is any indication only the staunchest supporters of the president in the Democratic Party agree with the idea of granting the White House fast-track TPP authority.

On the question of fast-track authority, 62 percent of respondent opposed the idea, with 43 percent “strongly” opposing it. Broken down by political affiliation, only Democrats that identify as “liberal” strongly favor the idea. Predictably, a strong Republican majority oppose giving the president such authority, with both conservative and moderates oppose it by a ratio of 85 percent or higher. And perhaps most important: 66 percent of respondents who identified as independent, meaning they have no party affiliation and are a key voting constituency, oppose the idea.

Among the biggest concerns by respondents for opposing fast-track authority was that they felt it gives the president too much power. But interestingly enough, the second strongest concern among respondents was that workers in TPP countries are paid so little that it’s unfair to U.S. workers to expect them to compete with a flood of imports made under less costly conditions to employers.

http://www.ibtimes.com/trans-pacific-partnership-tpp-poll-only-strongest-obama-supporters-want-him-have-fast-track-1552039

Republican opposition to 'fast track' probably has as much to do with ODS as with anything else though opponents also cited the risk from competition from low-wage workers.

Since most republican politicians support "fast track", this seems to have the potential for another round in their "civil war".
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Scuba

(53,475 posts)
2. Blind obedience will eventually bite you in the ass.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:18 PM
Jan 2014

Our loyalties should be to ideals, not parties or politicians.

only Democrats that identify as “liberal” strongly favor the idea.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
3. True, but does "only Democrats that identify as “liberal” strongly favor the idea" mean
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:29 PM
Jan 2014

that these "liberals" are not being loyal to an ideal but to a party or politician. I may not agree with them on a particular poll result but I think most liberals are better at staying true to ideals than are conservatives who get more wrapped up in fear, emotion and personality.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
4. Opinion only here, but I'll wager that most self-identifying "liberals" don't understand the TPP ...
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:32 PM
Jan 2014

... and are just backing the President 'cause he's our guy.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
9. You're probably right. Few know much about it - conservatives more so than liberals. But
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 02:51 PM
Jan 2014

conservatives (voters not their politicians) have been more opposed to trade deals, treaties on arms control and disability rights, the Iran nuclear agreement, the UN, the WTO and any other international negotiation or organization that I can think of.

So their (conservatives) lack of knowledge rarely keeps them from expressing a negative opinion. Perhaps liberals are the same way - in the opposite direction - but I think we are generally better informed.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
12. i think that most "self-identified liberals" aren't really liberals..
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 03:08 PM
Jan 2014

these days NOT republican seems to be what passes as liberal.

solarhydrocan

(551 posts)
7. The TPP was part of the 2012 R platform
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:49 PM
Jan 2014
Because American workers have shown that, on a truly level playing field, they can surpass the competition in international trade, we call for the restoration of presidential Trade Promotion Authority. It will ensure up or down votes in Congress on any new trade agreements, without meddling by special interests. A Republican President will complete negotiations for a Trans-Pacific Partnership to open rapidly developing Asian markets to U.S. products. Beyond that, we envision a worldwide multilateral agreement among nations committed to the principles of open markets, what has been called a "Reagan Economic Zone," in which free trade will truly be fair trade for all concerned...
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=101961


as well as the 2012 D platform:

Opened Markets All Over the World for American Products.

President Obama and the Democratic Party know that America has the best workers and businesses in the world... We remain committed to finding more markets for American-made goods—including using the Trans-Pacific Partnership between the United States and eight countries in the Asia-Pacific, one of the most dynamic regions in the world—while ensuring that workers' rights and environmental standards are upheld, and fighting against unfair trade practices. We expanded and reformed assistance for trade-affected workers, and we demanded renewal of that help alongside new trade agreements...
http://www.democrats.org/democratic-national-platform


pampango

(24,692 posts)
10. If 85% of republican voters oppose fast track, I bet the same percentage of their congressmen
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 02:54 PM
Jan 2014

will vote the other way in support of it. Which is why:

Members of Congress who vote to approve fast-track authority—especially Republicans—are taking a substantial political risk.
 

TheMathieu

(456 posts)
11. These polls are worthless.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 02:56 PM
Jan 2014

The average American probably can't even define the most basic terminology of trade policy.

They simply regurgitate whatever they're told by those who stand to gain or stand to lose from such policies.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
13. Particularly if one does not agree with the results. ;)
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 03:13 PM
Jan 2014

But I think a poll like this reflects more liberals' predilection to support international engagement and multilateral negotiations to solve problems while conservatives start from a position of opposing those things and supporting unilateral action by the US in diplomacy.

The average American ... simply regurgitates whatever they're told by those who stand to gain or stand to lose from such policies.

How did liberals and conservatives arrive at such different opinions towards fast track? What led the difference in what they "regurgitated"?

While many issues are complex - war and peace, budget negotiations, Iran's nuclear program and a million others. That does not men's that polls are meaningless just because the average American is not an international diplomat.
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