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Honestly, I pity her. A young, impressionable woman with absolutely no concept of the outside world who was thrust into a war zone and taken advantage of by a superior. I don't excuse her behavior at all, but blame the system that preys on people like her.
"Today, the former soldier who became the callous, thumbs-up emblem of the Abu Ghraib scandal lives with her parents in rural West Virginia, raising the son of the man who perpetrated the worst of the torture at the Iraqi prison. Things are so rough for her, Lynndie England told The Daily in a wide-ranging interview, that she has trouble finding much reason to feel bad for the detainees she and her colleagues abused.
Their lives are better. They got the better end of the deal, England said. They werent innocent. Theyre trying to kill us, and you want me to apologize to them? Its like saying sorry to the enemy.
England grew up in the backwaters of Appalachia and despite earning good marks in high school, she was hell-bent on escaping what she saw as a life destined to be behind the cash register of the local IGA supermarket. So she joined the Army.
Now 29, England is back in her parents home. She is virtually unemployable and haunted by her past. Charles Graner, her former lover and the ringleader of the Abu Ghraib abuses, refuses to acknowledge his 7-year-old son despite a 2009 paternity test proving he is the father. Graner didnt want anything to do with the baby, England said.
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/03/19/031912-news-lynndie-england-1-4/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=cheatsheet_afternoon&cid=newsletter%3Bemail%3Bcheatsheet_afternoon&utm_term=Cheat+Sheet
Matariki
(18,775 posts)What a clueless, unrepentant fool.
JVS
(61,935 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,788 posts)n/t
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Thegonagle
(806 posts)Especially since I can easily imagine Joe Biden saying those exact words.
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)Guantanamo or living with her parents and child in West Virginia?
Demit
(11,238 posts)If I say I regret getting with Graner then I say that I regret Carter. And I dont, she said. I wouldnt give up Carter for anything. And if going through that whole ordeal is what was supposed to happen to me to have Carter then thats how some things are. '
I do not pity her. She's had 8 years to reflect on what she was a part of and she hasn't learned a damned thing.
Thegonagle
(806 posts)That wasn't it.
tanyev
(42,559 posts)Didn't think so.
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)to feel bad for the detainees she and her colleagues abused...."?
Their lives are better. They got the better end of the deal,
Well then England "... then thats how some things are....
eissa
(4,238 posts)I feel like the military fails these kids. They go into these "target-rich" areas, like the backwoods of W. Virginia, and lure these kids in. Then drop them into regions they couldn't find on a map, let alone have any knowledge of, and instruct them to kill AND "win hearts and minds." The higher-ups create the monsters and then when something like this happens, say "well, golly gee, how the fuck did that happen? must be a bad apple."
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)murielm99
(30,741 posts)go live in another part of the country. It might be tough, but it could work out for her.
Maybe some counseling would help, too. She needs to take responsibility for her actions, even if they are somewhat mitigated by the fact that she was exploited herself. She was exploited by Graner, and the military. It does not excuse what she did. But she was used.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Attacking anyone that cirticized her, saying she was just another poor white who was pressed too hard.
http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2004/06/mash_note_for_t.html
Well, I have a problem with that. Yes, these poor white kids grew up poor, though I will bet hard cash all of them feel superior to the black people around them. Yes, looking at them does show that as big as the race issue is, class is bigger, and that many people do not get the support they need and deserve as human beings, much les as American Citizens.
But frankly me dear, there were many, many people poorer than Lyddie that did not choose to do something THEY KNEW WAS WRONG!!!
And it is apparent that she still does not give a fuck, and would do it all again.
Lyddie my dear, the only regret I have about you is that you did not dangle from the end of a gallows, and I do not mean the one used on Saddam, I mean the sort of good old fashioned type they used to use on soliders that decided to commit atrocities. I humbly offer this as an example for what they should have done to you!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Deever
And the solider's of ol kipling's day had it harder than you ever did, honey.
DinahMoeHum
(21,788 posts). . .and how she was going to ultimately end up, Abu Ghraib incident or not.
That essay of his marked the first time I ever heard of him, and I will always remember it for this sentence:
If you are doomed to eat shit, you may as well bring your own fork.
http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2004/06/mash_note_for_t.html
Comatose Sphagetti
(836 posts)whether the suffering was self-induced or not.
Good luck, Lynndie
Tikki
(14,557 posts)Because others have it so much better off then her?
Tikki
TheWraith
(24,331 posts)Frankly there are a lot of people in the same position who have done a hell of a lot less to earn it.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Stupid little white ass playing the victim. Pathetic.
davsand
(13,421 posts)I feel a lot of sympathy for that kid. While I share your lack of optimism for his future--given his mother's issues--I do feel sorry for him. It isn't like he made that choice, yet he's gonna suffer along with her.
Laura
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)He's being raised as a white victim. Not much hope of life success there.
The blacks and the gays and the Hispanics and the Martians stole any chance for him to succeed will be the message drummed into his head.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)You wanted to kill them, didn't you, you vengeful minx?
Honestly, the thing that will spell the end of the American experiment is not external enemies, but internal IGNORANCE of the world around you.