How many of the folks who think Woody Allen is guilty think the same about the allegations against Michael Jackson or Roman Polanski?

There seems to be a certain undercurrent at play here, where those who enjoy the performer's works find such allegations likely to be "trumped up", whereas if they've never really cared or been exposed to the performer's works they tend to not give him the benefit of the doubt.

I'm not taking sides here, just wondering about the dynamics at play here...

And as a fan of Allen, I am probably guilty.

One sees humanity in the art of an artist and it becomes more difficult to see them as a monster.

But, by the same token, I see many that are creeped out by his relationship and are making what I think is a big error in equating that with pedophilia. Soon-Yi was sexually mature and Dylan, if she was 7 when it happened, was pre-pubescent. So I don't think it fits the M.O. but I do think it is prejudicing many because it fits into their catch-all category of "creepy pervert".

being attracted to a much older adult. Arguably less so. The difference in age between Soon-Yi and Allen might be significant, but so was the difference between Farrow and Sinatra and she had no issues breaking up more than one relationship. Those who think Farrow is beyond reproach should know she had no issues testifying on behalf of Roman Polanski for his civil case a few years back, and Polanski is a convicted child molester who fled to avoid incarceration. Very telling that.

I am willing to go with Dylan's account. This is also due to the alleged pornographic images of some other person who is very young and had relations with her.

With Roman Polanski, he was convicted and that has never been in doubt. This guy is a disgusting individual who should have served his term.

Michael Jackson, a little bit harder just because his oddness does not always mean molestation of children. He has kids that he has tried to bring up as well as possible, given his circumstance. The one that has taken him to trial went back and forth saying something happened, to nothing happened. I don't know with this one, since the one accusing him did not seem to want to take it to court other than his mother. I don't have substantiated reports of him having child pornography or anything of that sort. So, with this guy, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

There are two questions at play

1. Was Woody Allen Guilty and what should be done to him if so? Legally, it seems unlikely that anything can be done to him, but there's enough evidence that its certainly plausible that Allen is guilty. It's also possible he is innocent, but it seems (to me) more likely that he is guilty.

2. If you enjoy his movies, how does believing he is guilty of this crime change the way you look at them? If you don't enjoy the movies the issue doesn't arise. If you do, you have a few options.

- stop enjoying them, because they were made by a monster.
- continue enjoying them, but accept that you are enjoying works created by a monster.
- decide that Woody Allen isn't a monster.

I don't want to do the first, and I can't justify going the third route. It's certainly an uncomfortable situation.

Bryant

used to be that "children NEVER lie about molestation." And then we found out that kids can be manipulated by others about sexual abuse as much as anything else. In the meantime, many, many lives were ruined--including the lives of children who were traumatized by the ordeals they were put through during what often amounted to nothing more than witch hunts.

I don't know what happened with Dylan Farrow, but I do believe that she believes she was molested.

spouting a whole host of easily disproved things. Child abuse does lead to PTSD. False accusations are rare. FBI data shows that.

Blaming the victim. So original. How appropriate that this OP was posted on Groundhog Day, because that's exactly where I feel I'm caught reading it.

"I personally know of a number of cases when these charges were false and were used as a bargaining chip in settling other issues coming up in the divorce, including financial issues."

I have heard of this too, and when you see the circumstances around the divorce of Allen and Mia Farrow, I can see why Mia went berserk and was hell-bent to ruin Allen, its a human reaction to Allen's betrayal.

And that is not even considering all the other evidence that points to serious doubts about this case.

But, on the other hand, the guy who wrote this article is one of those damn fancy scientific psychiatrists, what does he know anyway? Allen must be guilty, because I think he is!

obviously I'm speaking only for myself.

Look, I don't know if Woody Allen sexually abused his daughter, but this piece is putrid.

The author states that sexual abuse happens in families but it's unusual for dire consequences such as PTSD to result from such. The pig doesn't provide any evidence for that claim and the tone is such as to diminish the severity of a child being sexually abused by a family member- let alone a parent.

Dr. Asswipe goes on to say that he does know however, that false accusations are frequent. He uses his personal experience as his evidence. Anecdotal crap is not evidence.

I won't go on. I won't get into my personal history. I will say that reading this makes me feel like I've been punched in the stomach.

or perhaps he didn't actually bother reading it. Lots of that going on here too.
Not all people who molest children fit the standard profile of a pedophile, I wish people would stop touting that as any proof of anything. They know better, but persist.

if he sexually assaulted his daughter- though I find the really creepy.

I'm sorry Bonobo thought this was worth posting. I thought better of him than this.

wanting to railroad Woody. Or reacting like homophobes do because we are stupid prudes. That was one dumb fucking OP.

I do find it difficult to completely dismiss Dylan's letter. Coming out like that is what a lot of victims need to do to feel right about the situation. It commonly happens later. And I know it is completely impossible to completely dismiss Dylan without going all in with "the Mia coached her" hatred. Which is projecting some vile behavior, all while they rail against any hints Woody was creepy and had boundary issues that are fairly evident.

Seems a lot of people have a huge emotional investment in the woman scorned scenario. The protective and supportive Mom, not so much.

The same magazine that printed an article on how black women are objectively less attractive. That magazine isn't a stranger to junk science.

Back to space in my memories that I try not to visit. Felling assaulted all over again.

Thanks for your response. I started one and could not finish it. You spoke for me too.

a big

spelling errors. When I'm on my Kindle, I seem to end up with more of them then usual. Your response was helpful.