Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

kpete

(72,013 posts)
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:01 AM Feb 2014

Self-Righteous-Loofah-Man-O'Reilly Tells Obama He Didn't Need Student Loans: 'That's Who I Am'




"You and I took advantage of certain things. I don’t know about you, but I got some loans to go to college," Obama said.

But a self-described "self-reliance guy" like O'Reilly didn't need any government largess, thank you very much.

"Nah, I painted houses, I didn’t get any," O'Reilly responded. "See, that's who I am."

Obama was quick to say that he painted houses in the summer, too.

"It still wasn’t enough," he told O'Reilly.



Video & More:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bill-oreilly-barack-obama-student-loans
33 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Self-Righteous-Loofah-Man-O'Reilly Tells Obama He Didn't Need Student Loans: 'That's Who I Am' (Original Post) kpete Feb 2014 OP
And, for the most part, Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #1
Ding a ling...... Bennyboy Feb 2014 #2
Exactly. n2doc Feb 2014 #9
Exactly rsdsharp Feb 2014 #30
+1. I didn't need student loans either, in a different state, in the 70s. Neither did my friends. El_Johns Feb 2014 #28
Did his parent's help in college exboyfil Feb 2014 #3
Perhaps some fact-checking would be in order against Mr. O'Reilly's claims ... LisaLynne Feb 2014 #13
Oh, that throws a different light on his claim. El_Johns Feb 2014 #29
This guy is a moron. He clearly has no clue about most of what he talks about. Dash87 Feb 2014 #4
Tweety or Rev Al said yesterday that O'Reilly interupted Obama 42 times in 10 minutes. panader0 Feb 2014 #5
That's the difference between class and ass. n/t justhanginon Feb 2014 #15
I marvel constantly at... 3catwoman3 Feb 2014 #25
College was also signifigantly cheaper back then, even when adjusted for inflation. Shoulders of Giants Feb 2014 #6
My daughter currently has exboyfil Feb 2014 #11
I'd like to see him put himself through school now . . . enlightenment Feb 2014 #7
exactly kpete Feb 2014 #8
1968: Marist College raises tuition to $1,350 per year frazzled Feb 2014 #10
Bill SamKnause Feb 2014 #12
If "O'Really" is so smart... Tom_Foolery Feb 2014 #14
And why hasn't he figured about why the tide goes in and out. nt tblue37 Feb 2014 #18
O'Rielly could spend a million bucks on school logosoco Feb 2014 #16
Obama is younger, so he would have faced much higher costs, and his family probably tblue37 Feb 2014 #17
When that gasbag started college, blogslut Feb 2014 #19
Did Bill miss any fake FOX news conspiracy talking point in his "questions"? Johonny Feb 2014 #20
Isn't billo the guy who said he was in a combat battalian when he never served in the military? tjwash Feb 2014 #21
I went to college in the '80s deutsey Feb 2014 #22
I can't understand why this President, a man of purportedly superior intellect, would do this clown Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #27
Trying to break through the sound wall exboyfil Feb 2014 #32
To what purpose? That's been the question since January of 2009. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #33
what billo fails to mention is that it cost him 25 cents/semester when he went to college.. frylock Feb 2014 #23
My son worked three different part-time jobs Contrary1 Feb 2014 #24
O'Reilly is product of his generation abelenkpe Feb 2014 #26
NEWS FLASH: PEOPLE FROM WESTBURY DON'T NEED COLLEGE LOANS Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #31

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
1. And, for the most part,
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:06 AM
Feb 2014

neither did I. That was because, at least in California, most of my education was virtually FREE! Student loans back then were also at 3% interest. In 2014, tuitions are out of this world and student loans are at predatory interest rates. Back then college students could work and go to school and pay while they go. NONE of that is possible now. None of it. Rich, white, RWNJ's really need to be introduced to the 21st Century.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
9. Exactly.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:21 AM
Feb 2014

If tuition/fees had stayed the same relative to wages we wouldn't have a student debt problem.

It's like the old farts saying "I got along just fine on $3 an hour back in 1960, why can't these lazy moochers get by on double that?"

rsdsharp

(9,195 posts)
30. Exactly
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 02:13 PM
Feb 2014

I had someone tell we almost exactly that, once. In the summer of 1974 I had a summer job working for the county, weighing crushed rock in a gravel quarry. One morning, the farmer from across the road wandered over and struck up a conversation. "I'll bet you're making $5.00 and hour, aren't ya?" he asked. Well, no I was making $2.35. "You kids are spoiled today," he said. "Back in the depression I got $1.00 a day, and was glad of it!" When I asked if he would work for that today, he began to sputter. "If you wouldn't work for it, today, why would you expect me too?"

He left rather quickly and didn't come back.

 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
28. +1. I didn't need student loans either, in a different state, in the 70s. Neither did my friends.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 02:11 PM
Feb 2014

Middle-class parents could finance a college education then, + I had a student job.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
3. Did his parent's help in college
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:12 AM
Feb 2014

He went to Chaminade High School, a private Roman Catholic school. Did he pick up his tuition while there? Current day tuition at the school is $16K/yr which is more than most public universities.

Bill went to Marist College. Current tuition and fees is $31K/yr. That is a lot of houses to paint. Full price including room and board is $48K/yr.

LisaLynne

(14,554 posts)
13. Perhaps some fact-checking would be in order against Mr. O'Reilly's claims ...
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:35 AM
Feb 2014

Not that it would change the minds of any of his supporters, who are probably pissed that their boy went to an evil college and got one of them "educations".

Dash87

(3,220 posts)
4. This guy is a moron. He clearly has no clue about most of what he talks about.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:14 AM
Feb 2014

Hey Bill, was school $30,000 / year when you were young?

I got lucky and didn't have any student loans too, but I don't pretend it's because I'm some superior human being or better than everybody else. Get over yourself!

panader0

(25,816 posts)
5. Tweety or Rev Al said yesterday that O'Reilly interupted Obama 42 times in 10 minutes.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:15 AM
Feb 2014

I'll bet our Prez wanted to deck him. Such restraint. I'm glad I missed it.

3catwoman3

(24,032 posts)
25. I marvel constantly at...
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 01:19 PM
Feb 2014

...President Obama's calm public demeanor. I hope he has a punching bag somewhere in the White House gym, with a few RWNJ faces on it, that he can punch the crap out of when he needs to let off some steam. A few well placed round house kicks would feel pretty damn good, too.

My husband is an alum of Chaminade, and is thoroughly disgusted by O'Reilly.

6. College was also signifigantly cheaper back then, even when adjusted for inflation.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:17 AM
Feb 2014

In my state, even tuition for a cheap instate university is $10,000 a year. If its not near by your house, you will need to pay much more to live there for room and board. You can go to a community college for the first two years (very taxpayer funded which means you're not "self reliant&quot and then your last two years at an instate university to save money. But even then, I don't think you can pay for your college entirely with a minimum wage (must lower than when he was a young adult adjusted for inflation) side job. And even then, its nearly impossible for a 18-22 to get a job in many areas. The unemployment rate at that age, especially for people of color, is insane. Comments like this prove O'reilly just doesn't get it. I don't see how anyone goes to college today without grants - loans - tax payer assistance, unless they have family support.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
11. My daughter currently has
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:31 AM
Feb 2014

$4k/yr in guaranteed scholarships (working on more) plus the opportunity for a 400 hr internship this summer (if she gets it). She currently works 10 hrs/wk at a minimum wage job (can't do more because of school commitments/academics), tries to give plasma (was rejected last two times). With the internship she will still need to come up with at least $15K for her first year. Without the internship this goes up to $18K. That money will come from me otherwise she would have to borrow it.
O'Reilly, who went to an exclusive Catholic prep school, does not have a clue.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
7. I'd like to see him put himself through school now . . .
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:18 AM
Feb 2014

In 1968, presumably the year he started, Marist College charged $1350 tuition per year (not per semester) plus room and board for those students who lived on campus. Per their newsletter: http://library.marist.edu/archives/MHP_new/theCircle/pdfs/1968_12_19.pdf

Today, the tuition is $15,600 per semester - $32,000 per year. He'd have to paint a lot of houses to afford that.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
10. 1968: Marist College raises tuition to $1,350 per year
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:27 AM
Feb 2014

This is easy to look up. http://library.marist.edu/archives/MHP_new/theCircle/pdfs/1968_12_19.pdf

O'Reilly started college there in 1967. So the tuition for his first two years was lower. I began college a year later, in 1968, at NYU. I remember the tuition was either $3,000 or $3,600 a year (something in the threes), and I had a full academic tuition scholarship. It was still hard for my parents to pay for my living expenses, and I worked summers and throughout my college years, except for the year I spent abroad.

By the time Obama went to college, in 1979, I'm sure tuitions were already higher, though not as astronomically high as they became in the 1990s and beyond. And Harvard Law was never cheap.

SamKnause

(13,110 posts)
12. Bill
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:33 AM
Feb 2014

How many lies has Bill been caught in ????

I am sick of the dog and pony show.

"Fox News" is not a reputable news source.

It should roll a disclaimer; for entertainment purposes only.

If we had any laws pertaining to the media in this country, they would be forced off the air. We can thank Bill Clinton for not having any.

Unfortunately mainstream media seems bound and determined to model their "news" after Fox.

Independent news is the only place where the facts can been found.

Benghazi, IRS, Benghazi, IRS, Benghazi, IRS.

The president KNEW that Benghazi would come up in the interview.

WHY didn't the president give the facts about all of the Embassy attacks under the Bush presidency ?

The president KNEW that the IRS scandal would come up.

WHY didn't the president give the facts about Democratic PACs being targeted by the IRS as well ?

Millions of US citizens watching and he squandered the chance to set the record straight.

The Republicans and the Tea Party would call him a liar, but maybe, just maybe one of them would do their own research and find out the facts.

Tom_Foolery

(4,691 posts)
14. If "O'Really" is so smart...
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:37 AM
Feb 2014

Why hasn't he discovered the cure for cancer instead of wasting his time flapping his lips all day about nothing?

tblue37

(65,483 posts)
17. Obama is younger, so he would have faced much higher costs, and his family probably
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 12:21 PM
Feb 2014

had fewer resources to help him than O'Reilley's did.

Costs at KU have risen to the point where an in-state student pays about $10,000 per term When my son went here (1998-2002), it was $1100 per term. When I went (1972 graduate), it was about $300 per term.
,
Also, when I went, any credits above the 12-credit "full time" fee came with no extra cost. I would take 22 to 28 credits per semester for the same tuition fee as someone taking just 12 credits! Now a student must pay about $300+ for every single credit. That means one extra 3-credt course adds about $900-$1000 to the price of a semester.

Because I could pile on the free credits, I graduated in fewer terms. Also, during my final semester, I took my last 22 credits as an undergraduate, plus I enrolled simultaneously in graduate school and took 6 credits toward my master's degree, thus reducing by one semester the number of terms I would have to spend in grad school. That semester of grad school did not add a single penny to the $300 cost of my 22-credit final term as an undergrad, which would have cost an added $300 if I had had to pay even the low $30 per credit rate for the 10 extra undergrad credits, plus another $180 for the 6 credits of grad school.

Now, $480 seems cheap, and relatively speaking it is, but $480 was worth a LOT more in 1972 than it is today, so it would be like tacking at least a couple of thousand, or perhaps a few thousand, extra onto the cost of college today.

My son graduated in December of 2002. He had a 50% scholarship, so his tuition costs were just $550 per year. Now, just 11 academic years later, his 50% obligation would be 10 times as much, at $5000+. If he bragged to a graduate of KU 10 years younger than himself about not needing to borrow money to pay for school, I would smack him upside the head, because if we had needed to come up with $5000 instead of $500 each year, we would have had to borrow it. And most kids are not getting 50% scholarships, because those are so rare in this country for people who are just excellent students. He got one because in addition to being an academic superstar, he was the son of 2 KU faculty members and the stepson of a third, and KU's commercial deal with the Coca Cola company included such scholarships for high achieving children of faculty members.

Bizarrely, in our country good athletes (in revenue sports mostly) get full-ride scholarships even if they are functionally illiterate and have no desire to attend college. For them, college serves as the minor leagues to get them into the pro sport of their choice. When my brilliant daughter was given a FULL scholarship to college, it was such a fluke for her to get such funding just for her extraordinary academic and extracurricular record that we all teased her that she was attending college on a "football scholarship."

Her achievements as an undergrad and also in med school, in both of her residencies, as a Fullbright Fellow, and as a double-boarded physician with TWO master's degrees (in public health and in social policy), as well as fluency in two foreign languages and high-level skills as a musician (4 instruments), a vocalist, and an artist (in several different media) would make most countries throw funding her way to take full advantage of her talents and her desire to contribute to society.

But despite graduating from her undergrad college with no debt at all, she now owes well over a quarter MILLION in loans for medical school. So instead of spending weekends working in clinics to provide care for those who cannot usually aafford decent medical care, which is what she *wants* to do, she spends them working 12-hour ER shifts to earn money to pay down her loans so that maybe she can someday afford to buy a house and have a family. At 32, her biological clock is ticking, so she needs to pay the loans down within just a few years to have any hope of having time to get pregnant with the 2 kids she'd like to have.

Other countries subsidize talented students who major in fields that their society needs. For example, I have international students on full scholarship from their countries who are majoring in various engineering fields, as well as many who are going into medical and health care fields--not just future doctors, but also nurses, respiratory therapists, geriatric care specialists, etc. Their societies know they need these smart students' talents and skills, so they subsidize their training to ensure that the students will be free to work for their country, not forced to work only for money to pay down enormous debts.

People complain about doctors' salaries, but they get out of med school with such huge debts that it takes years of working constantly, including moonlighting as my daughter does, to pay off those loans.

My daughter's day job is as the flight surgeon for Virgin Galactic. She earns a nice looking salary. But by the time she pays her taxes and the approximately $4000/month she must pay on her student loans, she has to budget carefully to get by, just like those of us who earn well under the $44,000 national mean (which skews high anyway because of ridiculous CEO and banker salaries, as well as the salaries of entertainment and sports stars).

blogslut

(38,009 posts)
19. When that gasbag started college,
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 12:25 PM
Feb 2014

a first-class stamp cost a nickle, a gallon of gas was thirty-three cents, a new car was around 2500 bucks and a new home was twenty-five grand.

Johonny

(20,879 posts)
20. Did Bill miss any fake FOX news conspiracy talking point in his "questions"?
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 12:32 PM
Feb 2014

This was a great interview if you live inside the FOX bubble. For those living outside it, it was a gigglefeast of stupid, insane and down right WTF.

Yes young people are lazy loan taking scumbags that could easily paint their way through college. That's just the reality all people under 30 faced... right. The whole idea is so off the wall funny that it only makes sense to the older audience of Billo that don't realize how heavily subsidized college was in "their days".

tjwash

(8,219 posts)
21. Isn't billo the guy who said he was in a combat battalian when he never served in the military?
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 12:37 PM
Feb 2014

And got call out on it on the air?

Oh yeah - He WAS!



Dude is full of shit and always will be.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
22. I went to college in the '80s
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 12:47 PM
Feb 2014

and not only did I get Pell grants and take out student loans (which were still low interest back then, fortunately), I still had to do work-study during the semester and worked various full-time jobs during the winter/summer breaks (everything from flipping burgers to working in a boatyard painting ships to being a reporter for my hometown newspaper).

In real tight spots, I even had to sell my plasma sometimes ($10 a pop) in order to have a little extra money to do laundry, etc.

I come from a poor family. My parents were not able to contribute to paying tuition at all, so it was on me to get any $$ I could get through FAFSA and any work I could find.

Without loans and grants, I would not have been able to go to college.

On a side note: I can't understand why someone who is apparently mystified by how the tides come in and go out (among other examples of idiocy and ignorance) gets to interview the President of the United States.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
27. I can't understand why this President, a man of purportedly superior intellect, would do this clown
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 01:39 PM
Feb 2014

show, while refusing so many other shows that would allow him to speak as well as explain, to an audience capable of understanding more than a misspelled bumper sticker.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
33. To what purpose? That's been the question since January of 2009.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 03:50 PM
Feb 2014

Why does he insist on fucking all the rest of us over in this insane pursuit of what is clearly and permanently unobtainable for him?

Dear President Obama: If exboyfil is right and you keep doing these things in order to "break through" to them, please stop it. It will never work, ever. Never, ever, in a million years. No how, no way, never.

They hate you. Completely and irrevocably. They hate you and everything you are. They hate everything you stand for and everyone that doesn't hate you as much as they hate you. They would kill their own pets and relatives just for the chance to demonstrate how much they hate you. If you proposed that apple pie should be the national pie of America, they would stop eating apple pie, and probably cherry too, just in case you were trying to fool them into eating cherry pie.

There are no circumstances, no conditions whatsoever that will ever change that, ever. So again, please stop fucking the sane people over trying to appease these lunatics, it cannot be done.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
23. what billo fails to mention is that it cost him 25 cents/semester when he went to college..
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 12:55 PM
Feb 2014

Gimme five bees for a quarter, you'd say.

Contrary1

(12,629 posts)
24. My son worked three different part-time jobs
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 01:07 PM
Feb 2014

while attending college full-time. His dad and I helped with what we could, and he still needed to take out loans.

O'Really? is full of crap.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
26. O'Reilly is product of his generation
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 01:31 PM
Feb 2014

Back then college didn't cost as much. Financial aide meant scholarships not loans.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Self-Righteous-Loofah-Man...