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There's effectively no Republican Party anymore. (Original Post) Scuba Feb 2014 OP
Niether is there a recognizable Democratic Party. Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #1
We can always count on you to lash out at the Democratic Party every chance BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #18
lol. Good one. nt clarice Feb 2014 #38
Interesting characterizations Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #39
Yes, they are. BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #47
And you guys have nothing to add but cheers. The Democratic Party is in trouble. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #45
Plus a shit load! Enthusiast Feb 2014 #48
What passes for the Democratic Party today... bvar22 Feb 2014 #34
Exactly! Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #40
Hear, hear! Art_from_Ark Feb 2014 #46
+1! Enthusiast Feb 2014 #49
True - and the longer we pretend there is, the more entrenched the ptb become. polichick Feb 2014 #41
I'm not so sure there was a Republican party in my lifetime ... LisaLynne Feb 2014 #2
Before Raygun charmed his way into the WH, BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #19
your making me feel old n/t RedstDem Feb 2014 #26
Stole his way in, with Poppy and William Casey and the Ayatollah. Octafish Feb 2014 #29
Well yeah, because they weren't chickenhawk crooks closeupready Feb 2014 #32
Who made their fortunes contracting for the Vietnam war, working to destroy the Farmworkers, etc. freshwest Feb 2014 #50
But practically, the GOP still exists, and it is one of two choices you'll have when you vote in Nov tridim Feb 2014 #3
I wouldn't smile so big, tridim: The GOP is throwing more money at states/local govts loudsue Feb 2014 #13
There is nothing.. Gary 50 Feb 2014 #35
Good point...there is that. n/t loudsue Feb 2014 #36
Political parties SamKnause Feb 2014 #4
+1 Scuba Feb 2014 #5
OMG! I don't like Maher, but he nailed this. closeupready Feb 2014 #33
Nailed it SalviaBlue Feb 2014 #37
Why are you trashing Democrats in a thread about the GOP falling to pieces? tridim Feb 2014 #10
Why, you ask ? SamKnause Feb 2014 #14
I asked why you're trashing Democrats in a thread about the GOP. tridim Feb 2014 #15
I am sorry I didn't give you the answer you wanted. SamKnause Feb 2014 #16
why not answer the questions? hfojvt Feb 2014 #28
great post Denis 11 Feb 2014 #42
I'm OK with holding Democrats accountable on any threads I start. Scuba Feb 2014 #20
What? They disappeared faster than the Democrats? Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #6
Why are you trashing Democrats in a thread about the GOP falling to pieces? tridim Feb 2014 #11
The Party needs to get slapped around... Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #21
Oh it's there. It has just become a blatant syndicate to generate profit for the 1%. pampango Feb 2014 #7
Unfortunately in our system there is no party that stands for principles. former9thward Feb 2014 #8
There you have it. Berlum Feb 2014 #9
It's called quotable liberals but Sullivan is a Republican.... JaneyVee Feb 2014 #12
The GOP is far from gone. They have just changed their "Image"......... wandy Feb 2014 #17
That radical movement he describes IS the Republican party. AlinPA Feb 2014 #22
More accurate to call him "Quotable Aghast Tory" JHB Feb 2014 #23
They're just trying to recreate what never was ... ananda Feb 2014 #24
He is a self-proclaimed conservative Libertarian that is also gay. He's also a career gadfly with Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #25
Omg. THANK YOU. Iris Feb 2014 #27
Not much of a Democratic Party either 1000words Feb 2014 #30
Hooray for Dixie! Hooray! Octafish Feb 2014 #31
mr sullivan has come a long way. spanone Feb 2014 #43
Andrew comes through again@! Cha Feb 2014 #44
if obama did what nixon did.. madrchsod Feb 2014 #51

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
18. We can always count on you to lash out at the Democratic Party every chance
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 01:04 PM
Feb 2014

you get, eh, LTH.

I wonder why you always feel that visceral need to - especially on a site that supports the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

T...rollin', rollin', rollin'...

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
39. Interesting characterizations
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 03:29 PM
Feb 2014

"Lashing out," "visceral." In reality world it's called opinion and commentary.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
45. And you guys have nothing to add but cheers. The Democratic Party is in trouble.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 12:33 AM
Feb 2014

We love the party but the corporate loving conservatives have polluted it. We need to kick the conservatives back to the party where they belong. Your loyalty is cute but not helping. Loyalty is no substitute for principles.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
34. What passes for the Democratic Party today...
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 02:37 PM
Feb 2014

..is certainly NOT the New Deal/Great Society Democratic Party that I joined in 1967.

In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be[font size=3] established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.[/font]

Among these are:

*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

*The right of every family to a decent home;

*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

*The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

*The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

[font size=3]America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens.[/font]


I miss THAT Democratic Party!

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
40. Exactly!
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 03:32 PM
Feb 2014

This Turd-Way, corporate-friendly, gotta-go-along-to-get-along only sells out Democratic ideals and the 99%. It's no more or less expensive to buy a Democratic Congresscitter than it is to buy a Republican Congresscritter these days.

LisaLynne

(14,554 posts)
2. I'm not so sure there was a Republican party in my lifetime ...
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:44 AM
Feb 2014

that didn't fit that description, honestly.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
19. Before Raygun charmed his way into the WH,
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 01:04 PM
Feb 2014

there was a viable Republican Party that actually cared about this country and its countrymen.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
50. Who made their fortunes contracting for the Vietnam war, working to destroy the Farmworkers, etc.
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 06:36 PM
Feb 2014

They lost their souls before FDR passed for those who read his and Truman's words on them. Eisenhower had Nixon with his McCarthyite ways of destroying Democrats.

A few independent minded ones did believe in limited government and civil rights for women and minorities, but they wanted the same wrong economic model as the gilded age, only held in check by the New Deal Democrats. Their actions show who they are.

Nixon has gave us the gifts that kept on killing, Rumsfeld and Cheney and the one whose methodology is still killing us, Donald Segretti.

Reagan had Lee Atwater and the whole party was always borderline Bircher.

Meh...

tridim

(45,358 posts)
3. But practically, the GOP still exists, and it is one of two choices you'll have when you vote in Nov
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:47 AM
Feb 2014

Which makes me smile every time I think about it.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
13. I wouldn't smile so big, tridim: The GOP is throwing more money at states/local govts
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 12:08 PM
Feb 2014

than you can even begin to fathom, and they have the Arab oil cartel with them. Republicans think a lot like the Taliban, and the Saudi sheiks like that. The bush mafia isn't finished by a long shot, and it is far more insidious than you imagine.

This huge money is taking over one state at a time, redistricting, and therefore taking over the US legislature. They own 90% of the media companies.

There is NOTHING about the GOP that is over yet.

SamKnause

(13,110 posts)
4. Political parties
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:48 AM
Feb 2014

The Democratic Party is now the Republican Party.

The Republican Party is now a criminal cartel acting on the behalf of the 1%.

Corruption in both parties has devastated this country and it's people.

The majority of politicians in the US belong in shackles and leg irons.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
5. +1
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:49 AM
Feb 2014
''Over the last 30 odd years, Democrats have moved to the right and the right has moved into the mental hospital. So what we have is one perfectly good party for hedge fund managers, credit card companies, banks, defense contractors, big agriculture and the pharmaceutical lobby... That's the Democrats. And they sit across the aisle from a small group of religious lunatics, flat-earthers and civil war re-enactors who mostly communicate by AM radio and call themselves the Republicans and who actually worry that Obama is a socialist. Socialist? He's not even a liberal.'' —Bill Maher

SamKnause

(13,110 posts)
14. Why, you ask ?
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 12:17 PM
Feb 2014

I believe in the truth.

To pretend that the Democratic party is above reproach is dishonest on a grand scale.

The Democratic Party has moved so far to the right that they can hardly be called the Democratic Party.

Maybe your definition of democratic is different than Merriam Webster;

An organization, or situation in which everyone is treated equally and has equal rights.

Did you get a bailout when the economy collapsed ?

Do you support torture ?

Do you think the Bush administration should be held accountable ?

Do you think Obama's use of drones is ethical ?

Do you think corporations are people ?

Do you think the penal system in the US is fair and balanced ?

Do Free Trade Deals boost the US job market ?

I could go on and on.

You get the point.

There is very little democratic about the Democratic Party.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
15. I asked why you're trashing Democrats in a thread about the GOP.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 12:20 PM
Feb 2014

I didn't ask you to "go on and on" trashing them even more.

Sick.

SamKnause

(13,110 posts)
16. I am sorry I didn't give you the answer you wanted.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 12:25 PM
Feb 2014

Do not ask a question if you do not want an answer.

There was nothing sick about my reply.

Your Democratic prejudice anger is showing.

Can you discuss the matter calmly and rationally ?

If not, please do not reply.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
28. why not answer the questions?
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 02:17 PM
Feb 2014

Did you get a bailout when the economy collapsed ?

A: Yes I did. Because the currency did no collapse, my own life savings is still worth something.

Do you support torture ?

A: Almost nobody does.

Do you think the Bush administration should be held accountable ?

A: What is the point at this time? This is six years later. If somebody burns down half the city, what is more important, putting them in jail, or rebuilding the houses and businesses?

Do you think Obama's use of drones is ethical ?

A: Yes, and yawn. I know I am supposed to be a "good liberal" and get all excited and upset about 2,500 drone deaths in 8 years or so. But I cannot help thinking about the 45,000 people who have been murdered in the US in the last THREE years. 2,500 looks pretty small, to me, compared to 45,000.

Do you think corporations are people ?

A: Silly question, I would answer with a question. In what ways do Democrats treat corporations like people?

Do you think the penal system in the US is fair and balanced ?

A: I do think it puts away a lot of dangerous people. Does the lack of a perfect justice system mean that the Democratic Party sucks?

Do Free Trade Deals boost the US job market ?

A: TPP has not been passed yet, and is not being openly promoted by the Democratic Party.

As for why trash the Democrats, they do so because they think there are many reasons that Democrats DESERVE to be trashed.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
21. The Party needs to get slapped around...
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 01:31 PM
Feb 2014

Why I hear tell on a place called DU, Democrats slap fellow Democrats around a lot -- even those owning guns.

Have you seen this?

Know anyone who does this?

former9thward

(32,068 posts)
8. Unfortunately in our system there is no party that stands for principles.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:52 AM
Feb 2014

Both parties are a collection of allied groups with geographic, rather than ideological, bases. If you say you are a Democrat then you are a Democrat. No party group approves you. Same with Republican. Which is why there are so many independents in this country and so much ballot splitting.

I would favor a parliamentary system of multiple parties that actually stood for specific principles -- not 'we are for the people' nonsense. Parties that had the capability to toss people out that did not stand for those principles -- as they do in Europe but is impossible in the U.S.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
12. It's called quotable liberals but Sullivan is a Republican....
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 12:01 PM
Feb 2014

Which kind of makes this even funnier.

wandy

(3,539 posts)
17. The GOP is far from gone. They have just changed their "Image".........
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 12:26 PM
Feb 2014

Teapublicans all, hoping for a James Cagney wannabe to lead them.........
Trying to take their country back (to the 1830s) and holding highly popular Tea Bag rallies........



Ore the Lord Cruz if you prefer.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
23. More accurate to call him "Quotable Aghast Tory"
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 01:46 PM
Feb 2014

It's great that he's saying it, but he's spent his entire career supporting conservatism, and has only recently noticed things that were true for the entire time.

He's only counted as a "liberal" because he's finally happened to notice an odor in the sealed room where he's spent his career feeding it occupants beans.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
25. He is a self-proclaimed conservative Libertarian that is also gay. He's also a career gadfly with
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 01:58 PM
Feb 2014

no accomplishments outside of using his various high-profile positions to generate controversy. He is a semi-celebrity that is known for nothing outside his own pursuit of celebrity.

You might want to tell your FB friend to look into people's background before posting.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
51. if obama did what nixon did..
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 07:43 PM
Feb 2014

nixon--destroyed the gold standard.90 day wage freeze and price ceiling. 10% import tax. proposed the first ACA.

.....the republicans would impeach him.







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