our employer?

Whatever your affirmative response, why on earth would you want a government with such authority and further and more crucially, what limits the power? What keeps Uncle Sam from dictating our expenditures down to the penny from the motherfucking company store?

It is my fear that the fascist will uphold the fascist law.

I hope it is killed and then the Democrats try and get Medicare for everybody. It would be a winner. The GOP has no answer to that.

I said almost this exact thing to a 'bagger at my other job the other day....and he kinda looked at me funny. So I explained to him that if the SC does what he wants and strikes down the IM, he and the rest of the immovable, never-compromise-your-principals IDIOTS in his party are very likely going to "fuck the entire country INTO a single-payer system, because that's the only option left to get healthcare to people who need access to it, because all you 'baggers pitched such a fit over the ONLY compromise that got cut that would practically GUARANTEE that this country would never need to consider single-payer as a viable alternative (and the INS. Industry KNEW this, that's why they fought for it in the first place)." I told him I was FINE with the alternative, though, and if by some miricale it goes the way all of us Liberals WANT it to go, he and his 'bagger buddies(including Beck, Hannity, and Rush) are going to spend the rest of their political-conservative LIVES with a great, big RINO dick in their mouths, as an apology to the rest of the Republican Party for fucking the Ins. Industry out of the ONLY deal that would have kept that industry as a viable alternative to "Socialized Medicine".

it took a minute for the full implications of what I had just explained to dawn on him, but when it did, the look of pure horror on his face was worth the conversation. No matter WHAT the SC decides, I think they are beginning to get an idea of how fucked they are in terms history passing them by, and of being on the wrong side of a losing argument. Its wonderful to watch.

Is no longer insurable. Insurance companies should be eliminated from the mix. Medicare is the best way to cover everyone. Funded through taxes. ACA is just another sellout to the big 4 insurance companies and big Pharma. We were sold down the river. Why in the world they forced the disaster called ACA is beyond me. I really do not think people would object to Medicare for everyone. No reasonable person anyway. Why give the big 4 Insurors 20% of the money off the top for doing electronic billing? ACA is awful.

If so then not much but a little because the profit motive sets up more potential abuse of a very dangerous precedent.

I'm tired of the rebuttles in support of this specific design of a mandate being the general case for any form of mandate. No one does (or in my opinion...can) make a specific defense of what we are facing here other than emotional barbs typically involving accusations of a desire for a young person to go without care or for them to be told to "die quickly" do to a pre-existing condition.

A specific law was written, to a general one that says that a mandate must be designed, the design is there and it is unacceptable as a precedent and must be scrapped or it must lead to further abuse and make the Commerce so powerful that our government has unlimited authority over us, making us slaves.

To the necessary and proper clause of the Constitution. My hope is that the SCOTUS kills that monster. But I doubt they will. If they do it will be a Landmark.

maybe a couple of million "guests" outside would make a subtle impact on their thinking.

try 4 judges want to please their corporate over lords but the problem they have is how do they twist the law to force people to buy a product from a private company with very little cost controls or consumer protections.


Medicare for all IS the correct solution but I believe that Obama will not go down that road because it will upset his corporate overlords and it is just not in his nature to actually fight for something.

Not that that any are immune to pushing interpretations beyond reasonableness to support their political views.

You might say the same thing about the right to privacy decision, Griswold vs Conn. which stretched things pretty far to justify it.
And that was done by the liberal judges.
I've tried to follow the logic and I've never been able to understand all of it.

all nine generaly favorable to capital except in cases of extreme overreach.

since no one has yet to pay a dime of any mandatory fee so the "damage" hasn't been done. After the Citizens United fiasco, I'm betting they want to keep a low profile for a time. The longer the bill remains, the more people find it and benefit from it and the more trouble they will have going back to "Republicancare" (nothing). That said, if the POTUS has a second term, he really needs to try for Medicare Part E.

In fact I expect Obama expects it to be modified.

Didn't he say that this is just a start, a foot in the door?
A foundation on which to build a reasonable health care system for the future.

Always dangling that sword of his...you know, he's gonna cut himself with that thingy, one of these days...