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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:34 PM Feb 2014

Mizzou's Michael Sam, top NFL prospect, says he's gay










Michael Sam, an All-American defensive lineman from Missouri Tigers and the Associated Press' SEC Defensive Player of the Year, said that he is gay in an interview with ESPN's "Outside the Lines" on Sunday.

Sam stated publicly what his teammates and coaches at Mizzou have known since August: "I am an openly, proud gay man."

Sam is eligible for the NFL draft in May. Assuming that he is drafted, Sam could become the first openly gay player in the history of the NFL.


http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/10429030/michael-sam-missouri-tigers-says-gay
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Mizzou's Michael Sam, top NFL prospect, says he's gay (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 OP
I just read this article dlwickham Feb 2014 #1
I'll double down on that wow WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #2
The kid just needs to be good and his on the field accomplishments give every indication he is./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #3
Is that in response to how he'll be accepted in the locker room? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #4
I'm serious...I have more faith in people... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #5
Chris Kluwe got run right out of the league last year. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #9
LeBron James will be a free agent this summer DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #14
This cat (bad pun intended) will be a backup. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #17
I'm not understanding why people think NFL players are more evolved than the public at large...??? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #19
I would have to look at the draft and where this kid fits in DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #20
I would love to see this kid go to Miami, but that kind of takes the focus off the other teams. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #22
That said, you're right about the upside to drafting him... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #24
I agree with you. Teams tend to be closeknit. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #12
It's not the locker rooms I'm worried about. It's the idiotic fans... ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #7
As long as Jonathan Vilma isn't in your locker room WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #10
Please read my link...okay? ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #11
I was expecting it to say that Vince Lombardi had openly gay players on his team. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #13
Richie Incognito and Jonathan Martin both made very positive and supportive bullwinkle428 Feb 2014 #28
On May 8th we will find out dsc Feb 2014 #6
This is one draft I'll watch. He is a special human being in my book. Will let others choose to libdem4life Feb 2014 #8
Ruh Roh. I have a RW (needless to say, homophobic) relative who is a huge Mizzou fan. progressoid Feb 2014 #15
Hopefully the Lions get him in the draft. roamer65 Feb 2014 #16
Give the man a chance... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #25
I hope he goes to the Dolphins DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #26
Wonderful of Michael Sam to stand up for being Gay! Cha Feb 2014 #18
LGBTs in sports are nearing their own Jackie Robinson moment. nt TheMathieu Feb 2014 #21
I'm discussing it on a sports board now DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #23
Good on him libodem Feb 2014 #27

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
1. I just read this article
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:41 PM
Feb 2014

all I can say is wow!

whatever team drafts him is going to have thousands of new fans because the gay community generally supports our own



 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
2. I'll double down on that wow
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:46 PM
Feb 2014

It will more than likely affect where he gets drafted, but as we've learned from the Miami Dolphins this year, the locker room is no place to be gay.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
4. Is that in response to how he'll be accepted in the locker room?
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:57 PM
Feb 2014

You're right, it's that simple. What was I thinking?

In any event, hugely courageous to get out in front of this and make the announcement himself rather than let a reporter sit on the story and unload it right before the draft.

Good luck, Sam!! Maybe he'll fall to us

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
5. I'm serious...I have more faith in people...
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 12:02 AM
Feb 2014

There will probably be a knucklehead on his team or on an opposing team that will disrespect him and then a player will come to his defense, just like Pee Wee Reese and Jackie Robinson.

I remember watching Joe Namath on the Larry King show, and it must have been twenty years ago, right around when David Kopay came out, and Larry asked him if he would have a problem with a gay teammate and Joe said " not as long as he could carry the rock."

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
9. Chris Kluwe got run right out of the league last year.
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 12:18 AM
Feb 2014

It had nothing to do with his talent and everything to do with his speaking out for gay rights. He's not gay, but not a single team in the NFL would touch him. Believe me, I've watched Kluwe for years, and he's 10x the punter we have. But he's untouchable now.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
14. LeBron James will be a free agent this summer
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 12:50 AM
Feb 2014

He will probably re-sign with the Heat.

He's a married guy with kids...But for the sake of conversation let's say he wasn't and said he was gay.

Do you think he would be drummed out of the league?


 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
17. This cat (bad pun intended) will be a backup.
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 12:55 AM
Feb 2014

If this were Lawrence Taylor coming out of college, his teammates would be scarred shitless and keep their mouths shut. Or like Kluwe, they'd get released. But this guy isn't LT.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
19. I'm not understanding why people think NFL players are more evolved than the public at large...???
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:01 AM
Feb 2014

It's great that a few high profile players have said they wouldn't have a problem with a gay player, but that's not representative of the league's 1700 players.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
20. I would have to look at the draft and where this kid fits in
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:01 AM
Feb 2014

But for a team like New England, New York, San Francisco, Seattle or a city with a similar cultural climate the pressure is going to be enormous on them to draft him if they have a legitimate need and astute fans know which teams need whom.

It would be a great move for the Dolphins to get the Incognito stench off of them...BTW, Incognito didn't harass Martin because he was gay which he wasn't. Incognito harassed him because he was smart.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
22. I would love to see this kid go to Miami, but that kind of takes the focus off the other teams.
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:11 AM
Feb 2014

Since that story broke, players everywhere have come out and stated the locker room is vile (OK, my word). Gay slurs are part of the culture.

Do people change that quick? I mean, I get the part about being a family loving your brother. But some of those guys will be worried that one of their brothers has a different kind of love for them. The NFL isn't someplace people go to evolve.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
24. That said, you're right about the upside to drafting him...
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:13 AM
Feb 2014

...his jersey will be a hot seller in the right market

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
7. It's not the locker rooms I'm worried about. It's the idiotic fans...
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 12:12 AM
Feb 2014

Did you know Vince Lombardi was accepting of gay players, along with black players who married outside their race (in a time that was reason enough to be kicked off your team)?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/22190569/vince-lombardi-was-accepting-of-gay-players


snip-

Vince Lombardi didn't become one of the best coaches in NFL history by discriminating against his players. By all accounts, Lombardi didn't care if his players were black, white, gay or straight, he only cared about one thing and that's whether they could play football.

"My father was way ahead of his time," Lombardi's daughter Susan told ESPN New York. "He was discriminated against as a dark-skinned Italian-American when he was younger, when he felt he was passed up for coaching jobs he deserved. He felt the pain of discrimination and so he raised his family to accept everybody, no matter what color they were or whatever their sexual orientation was."

Former Redskins running back Dave Kopay, who came out in 1975 and was the first former NFL player to announce he was gay, found Lombardi to be accepting during their one season together in 1969,

"Vince Lombardi had so much humanity, I was just lucky to be around him," Kopay said.

-snip


I posted about this a few weeks ago, when ESPN aired a Football Life: Vince Lombardi, and it pretty much sank like a stone.

I am hopeful that there are some modern-day Vince Lombardi's out there.

Knowing what this young man can do, it will change my view of my own favorite team, along with the others, if this affects his draft-ability.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
13. I was expecting it to say that Vince Lombardi had openly gay players on his team.
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 12:36 AM
Feb 2014

A lot of players will be sweating bullets on draft days, and about 75 will have to grow the eff up right quick.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
6. On May 8th we will find out
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 12:06 AM
Feb 2014

If he goes in the round he is supposed to (3rd or 4th from what I have read) then we have really come a long way. If not, or if he isn't drafted at all, then we haven't.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
8. This is one draft I'll watch. He is a special human being in my book. Will let others choose to
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 12:15 AM
Feb 2014

come out the NFL closet...and be free. The NFL will survive.

In my many years of being on this planet, I've noticed that no matter how much someone is against something, (especially RWers and bigots and homophobes) it usually takes someone who is near and/or dear to change their perspective. Not always, but usually finding out a daughter, son, cousin, classmate, hero is gay changes many people.

I remember Phyllis Schlafley, a vocal anti-homosexual RWer...famous for it. Her son told her he was gay. Same with Dick Cheney...same with my sisters. Some are just more dense than others.

Young Sam has the opportunity and has taken the responsibility to school a whole lot of people. I wish him and the team that gets him, a wonderful season.

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
15. Ruh Roh. I have a RW (needless to say, homophobic) relative who is a huge Mizzou fan.
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 12:50 AM
Feb 2014

This is gonna be fun...

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
25. Give the man a chance...
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:31 AM
Feb 2014

if he goes to Detroit, he will be faced with nothing but failure. The only worse team to go to would be Oakland.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
23. I'm discussing it on a sports board now
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:12 AM
Feb 2014

There are a few knuckle draggers but the consensus is if the guy can help my team I don't care what he does in his private life and with whom.


It reminds me of a Sopranos episode when one on Tony's crew was outed and Tony was conflicted but decided to tacitly support him because he was a "good earner"

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