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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:23 PM Feb 2014

Obamacare Allows Workers To Tell Bosses To Shove Off; Conservatives Are Angry.

Roy Edroso of the Village Voice has a round-up of all the ugly and frequently dishonest right wing attacks on Obamacare after the Congressional Budget Office released a report showing that Americans would reduce their work hours by enough to equal 2.3 million full-time jobs because of it. After it became clear that they wouldn’t get very far with the lie that these jobs would be “lost”—because the hours cut back would be workers choosing on their own to work part-time or retire early—conservatives switched their tune, painting Obamacare as a “handout” that discouraged people from an honest day’s work. This was no surprise, of course. If there’s one position that will always be consistent in conservatism, it’s the position that holds that capitalists should be able to do anything in their power to undercut labor’s bargaining power. Squeezing as much work out of people as humanly possible for the lowest cost possible is possible the first rule of conservative ideology. So of course they’re against this. Being able to cut back at your crappy job where you’re drastically underpaid to maximize your greedy boss’s profits so you can do other things—include, perhaps, go to school or pick up freelance work so that you can get a better and better-paying job—runs against everything that the right holds dear. We’re talking about people who resist even the tiniest raise of the minimum wage. This is no surprise.

Which is why, while they come across as cartoon villains, I appreciated the conservative bloggers Edroso chronicles who just straight up admit that they disapprove of Obamacare because they want you to work your ass off at a menial, soul-destroying job for the privilege of not dying of cancer. There’s a refreshing honesty there that I can work with. More evil were the conservatives who concern trolled, pretending that they wanted to make you work more at a crap job for your own good.

At the New York Times, Ross Douthat worried that Obamacare “might reduce financial hardship while actively disincentivizing upward mobility overall… when a good is provided gratis there’s always an incentive for some people to work less.” Later Douthat explained that there were “people we should want to be attached to the workforce, for their own long-term good and the good of the economy as well.” He didn’t tell us who that was, but we suspect if someone told Douthat himself to shovel coal 50 hours a week for his own long-term good and the good of the economy, he would swiftly preclude himself.


It’s just a straight-up lie to claim that reducing one’s ability cut back or even quit a crap job reduces economic mobility. As noted above, being able to cut back at work is exactly what a lot of people need in order to get more job training or even, you know, go to college. This will also help people with creative or entrepeneurial ambitions that don’t have wealthy parents to cover bills like health insurance while they get their careers or businesses off the ground. Opposition to this has nothing to do with wanting people to better themselves. On the contrary, it’s about keeping it so that people are stuck in their crappy jobs with no leverage to make positive changes.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/10/obamacare-allows-workers-to-tell-bosses-to-shove-off-conservatives-are-angry/
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Obamacare Allows Workers To Tell Bosses To Shove Off; Conservatives Are Angry. (Original Post) phantom power Feb 2014 OP
But, why does the job disappear? joeglow3 Feb 2014 #1
It doesn't. jeff47 Feb 2014 #5
Part Time allows you to work and look after Elderly parent dem in texas Feb 2014 #2
Having insurance is great proudretiredvet Feb 2014 #3
I have been looking forward to this loyalsister Feb 2014 #4
 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
1. But, why does the job disappear?
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 03:06 PM
Feb 2014

One would think if the job needed to be filled, they would find someone else to fill it (we still have people who have been unemployed for years). Thus, I struggle seeing how 2 million people deciding they can retire early or take another another automatically means this job disappears. Are we really saying companies have hired 2 million people they don't need?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
5. It doesn't.
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 05:37 PM
Feb 2014

That's what the Republicans got wrong when they started lying about the CBO report.

The job remains, and someone else will do it, be they a new hire or dumped on another employee.

In an idealized version, Bob retires early. Alice is promoted to Bob's old position. Carol is promoted to Alice's old position. And so on down the line until Eve gets her first full-time Job, and Carlos replaces her at the Starbucks while finishing his degree.

dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
2. Part Time allows you to work and look after Elderly parent
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 03:14 PM
Feb 2014

I have been in the situation where I had a elderly mother to look after (she has since passed away). I was run to death working all day and having to go see about her at night and take off work to take her to the doctor. I was on my husband's insurance so I was able to cut back my hours at work to part-time.

I bet there are a lot of people who have faced this same thing and can't cut back because of the insurance.

 

proudretiredvet

(312 posts)
3. Having insurance is great
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 04:34 PM
Feb 2014

BUT...
Many of my friends are being cut back on hours and having to find other part time jobs. They can not afford not to work. They are at a level that their insurance is almost completely subsidized but that does not increase their income. They are grateful that they now have insurance but still need to work every hour they can to survive.
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