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Dear DUers ...
I am in a bit of a moral quandary... I am a consultant at big media company... I am working on a project that I fear will come to an end in the next few months... However there is another piece of a work that is being handled by another consultant that is for my taking ...the business manager isn't happy with the quality of the work being done ... Normally I would be happy at work coming my way ...but I know the guy whose work is in question ...he is a very nice guy and to make things worse his wife has cancer and needs the gig ...
I don't know if he will get canned or not ...but should I decline this and let chips fall where they may.. Or simply act in self interest? I have a mortgage to pay too
quinnox
(20,600 posts)You have to make your own decision, that is number one. I have been studying ethics lately, and I think Kant has an interesting way of looking at these things. He said, whatever action you do, imagine the action would become a universal law, and consider it like that.
srican69
(1,426 posts)My ethics say no problem...as long as I am not acting against the interests of my client's...
quinnox
(20,600 posts)What Kant actually said: "Act only according to that maxim by which you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law."
Morally, I think that is really up to you. I have no comment about that.
panader0
(25,816 posts)I work construction. I believe in my 40 years of work that the client always wanted the best job he/she could get.
That part IS ethical, the interests of the client.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)srican69
(1,426 posts)But he maybe let go anyway (or may not) and someone else may take his place ..
arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)his present performance? He can't change that which he is unaware of and having recently lost my husband to cancer I know how things can fall to the wayside.
Squinch
(50,956 posts)an income stream and both of you don't lose the client?
If you can do that, he's much better off than if he's just canned from the account.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)You can't take the job from him and stay friends. And you can't control what the boss does, but you can control what you do.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)If you honestly believe it is fairly certain he's going to get canned anyway, then you would be able to fill the place in good conscience.
But if you think it might be pushing him overboard.....well, that's another story
reformist2
(9,841 posts)If the guy is going to lose the job anyway, that's a different matter.
srican69
(1,426 posts)Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)You said so yourself that you have a mortgage to pay.
I'm sure the consultant would grab work from you if he had the chance.
Adam051188
(711 posts)well aren't you the cynic.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Adam051188
(711 posts)is the hierarchy of your organization such that you could assist your coworker? perhaps since the business manager seems more interested in communicating with you his displeasure than him, you could inform him of the finer nuances he is missing? Maybe some sort of "coaching"?
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Does the guy whose wife has cancer get to keep the job, or are they so dissatisfied with his work that they will find someone else to take it on?
Perhaps explain to the business manager that while you would be very happy with this project you would not feel comfortable taking work away from someone who needs it, given his wife's situation. The business manager should respect you for this and it may well help you in the long run. Of course, they may decide to let the guy go at which point there should be no moral dilemma for you in taking on the project.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)There is no right choice here.
If the quality of his work is sub-par, the company will be making the change anyway, I would guess. If it helps, in your shoes I would probably take the gig.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)not to trash your friends work in the process, it shoudln't cause any hurt feelings. However it is sometimes almost demanded of you to trash the former employee. I'd not want to take it on then.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)He may be ready to dump the client. Who knows? If you're not sure what to do and you'd feel bad if you knocked the guy out of work, then asking him is a great idea. Tell him that you've been approached and about your concerns.
What goes around comes around. If you take the gig and he loses his work and income, you'll have made an enemy, and enemies aren't a good thing. If you ask and he says to take it, then take it. If he objects to you trying for the job, ask him if he's secure in it and does he think he'll be able to hang on to it.
Do the right thing and talk to this person. Either way, you'll have given him a heads up about the dissatisfaction the client has with him.
That's what I'd do, anyhow. Who knows, you may make a friend and that may pay off down the road somehow.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I say pull the guy's coat-tail about the client's concerns and possibly offer to provide assistance, if possible.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)most are recommending, though. Sad, IMO.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)It's been my experience that helping someone who is struggling pays better (long-term) dividends than taking advantage of someone's weakness/failings. In the latter case, you get that contract ... but you also get the reputation for cutting someone's throat (whether deserved or not). In the former case, you lose that contract; but by reaching out to the guy, you gain an ally that can/will steer business your way.
At least, that has been my experience.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)They're not as common today as they once were, but they still work just fine.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)Is it alright to come to an agreement with the guy?
Merely to be paid a retainer fee to help out if need be?
I don't know. It is kinda hard. I don't have those problems, so I've been known to do some other person's job, if I can do it quickly, or to even give a huge part of the idea on how something should be done.
Still, it is also not on a contractual basis, so I can't really tell you.
lpbk2713
(42,760 posts)Based on your Bus Mngr's thoughts, if you don't act on this you might be thought of as not aggressive enough. On the other hand, I wouldn't want to give that colleague any more undue hardship either. Myself, I think I would just not do anything and see how it all works out. I think my conscience would suffer less that way.
madville
(7,412 posts)I've helped coworkers through the years but there is a line. It's not like you're actively working to make the guy look bad. Do what is best for your career and quality of life first, still help them though if the opportunity is available.
FBaggins
(26,748 posts)What's in the client's best interest?
If you're a consultant, don't you have an ethical obligation to find solutions for their problems?
JI7
(89,252 posts)maybe some tips on how to do a better job ?
you say his wife has cancer, could that be affecting the quality of the job he is doing ? his mind is not totally there maybe.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Your duty as a consultant is to provide the best services to your client.
You may want to give your fellow employee a heads up that his work has been slipping, and that it's being noticed. It might light a fire under him and help him to shift his focus to work. Or he may decide to take a leave of absence to spend time with his wife.
It seems that at the present time the quality of your work more than likely surpasses the quality of his work, and in the best interests of the client, your company, and yourself, you must do your duty and take the job. Otherwise you risk losing the client and your fellow employee may be let go anyway, and you'll get the stink eye for not taking over that account and keeping the client's business.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)a queit heads up to the client's concerns ... Possibly offer to help him out.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)will have on you. I understand you want to know if your decision will result in the loss of a job for someone else, but doing the right thing doesn't always mean you get to know the outcome. Sometimes you do the right thing and the outcome sucks anyway. Sometimes you do the right thing and a year later the wrong thing is done to you. It's about holding your head up and knowing that your life is as moral and just as you want it to be.
It may very well be that you don't take the job, the guy gets fired and then some total d-bag gets the work. Are you okay with that? That outcome doesn't change who you are, only the decision does. You are the reward for being a good person, not a check.
A clear conscience makes for a very soft pillow.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)2. Pull some strings to make sure I'm the new hire
Clean conscious, win-win all around!
TheMathieu
(456 posts)justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)I work as a consultant also... if you don't take the gig, does that work against you as a consultant? What does your current "employer" say about your work if you refuse to take this? When it comes down to it, it's the client who matters. If your taking the work keeps the client happy, then that is what must be done. Doesn't mean you need to be gleeful about it but refusing it for some sort of loyalty over a guy you probably don't even really know... I'd go with pleasing the client, not my "co-worker."
CFLDem
(2,083 posts)and regret it, than not take and regret.
If it helps, the client made up their mind about your friend before they asked you.