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cali

(114,904 posts)
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 05:31 PM Feb 2014

Robert Kraft would welcome Michael Sam to Pats: 'We're about winning'

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So it's not surprising that Kraft said Monday that if former Missouri linebacker Michael Sam, who announced Sunday that he is gay, can help the Patriots win, he'd be a welcome addition to the team.

"We're about winning," Kraft told the Boston Herald. "And anyone who can come in here and help us win, I personally don't care what their ethnic background is, their racial background, the gender preference. If they can help us win, and they're about team first, then I'm happy to have him here."

Kraft says he hasn't spoken to Belichick about Sam but added that "he knows that I would encourage him if (Sam) can help us win."

Earlier Monday, Steelers safety Ryan Clark voiced concerns about what teammates could and couldn't say to Sam in an NFL locker room. Kraft suggested that the Pats' locker room culture would embrace and support Sam.

“If a player were gay and came into this locker room, it would be the most supportive system,” the owner said. “He'd gain strength by being in here. And it wouldn't be divisive and he'd make friends for life and they could help him win.

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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24438764/robert-kraft-would-welcome-michael-sam-were-about-winning

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Robert Kraft would welcome Michael Sam to Pats: 'We're about winning' (Original Post) cali Feb 2014 OP
Will Pitt is already measuring him for a Pats jersey KamaAina Feb 2014 #1
lol. why am I not surprised? cali Feb 2014 #3
Me too. Chan790 Feb 2014 #11
Cheers to Mr. Kraft, and a bug FU to Ryan Clark...knr joeybee12 Feb 2014 #2
good sentiment from Kraft, but I winced at "gender preference" nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #4
We must crawl before we walk. nt. msanthrope Feb 2014 #6
I know it's not coming from a position of malice, but still nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #10
He's a seventy two year old guy. I'm sure he meant no harm./nt DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #17
agreed nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #20
Pleasantly surprised to hear that from Kraft eissa Feb 2014 #5
Kraft is a huge Dem Timez Squarez Feb 2014 #9
I'm not even a little surprised. After all, Kraft donated the maximum to Obama cali Feb 2014 #12
Just for the record, Elway has come out in support of the idea of bullwinkle428 Feb 2014 #25
Did Michael Sam major in video tapping? Yavin4 Feb 2014 #7
Don't miss the disclaimer: malthaussen Feb 2014 #8
well, of course if he could help them win. why would any team sign someone cali Feb 2014 #13
Sarcasm? malthaussen Feb 2014 #14
huh? Kraft is an Obama supporter and has given big $$$ to dems for years cali Feb 2014 #15
So I see from perusing upthread... malthaussen Feb 2014 #16
The "if" is justified because Sam is small. former9thward Feb 2014 #26
I see him as a linebacker in a three/four set. He's plenty quick. Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #28
He tried that at the Senior Bowl. former9thward Feb 2014 #30
He'd definitely be a project, I wouldn't let one shot at an unfamiliar position be the deciding Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #31
If he went pipi_k Feb 2014 #32
He'd fit in nicely as a flex DE/OLB, I think. Arkana Feb 2014 #38
Robert Kraft is geniune JRLeft Feb 2014 #19
Let's also note that Craft was a fan of Tebow... dilby Feb 2014 #21
I never got the Tebow hate DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #22
I disagree that he wasn't cut out to be an NFL quarterback. dilby Feb 2014 #23
The Dolphins used to have a player named Jim Jensen DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #41
I totally agree. dilby Feb 2014 #43
to me it was more ridicule than hate.. for being preachy all the time.. dionysus Feb 2014 #24
I don't know that he was any more preachy than some other QB's Mike Daniels Feb 2014 #40
yeah those commercials were great. i think he is athletic enough to play a different position dionysus Feb 2014 #42
Not only that, but... pipi_k Feb 2014 #33
Lots of DU folks predicted Kraft would be one who would not discount Sam. OKNancy Feb 2014 #18
Lurie and Kelly of the Eagles would do the same. HERVEPA Feb 2014 #29
The Pats need a PR boost anyway after the Aaron Hernandez disaster... Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #27
Not really MissMillie Feb 2014 #34
But they did draft him... Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #35
in 2010 MissMillie Feb 2014 #36
I'd want Sam on my team--the game tape of him Arkana Feb 2014 #37
Oh, the Cheatriots sure know a lot about winning by snooping. alp227 Feb 2014 #39

eissa

(4,238 posts)
5. Pleasantly surprised to hear that from Kraft
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 05:37 PM
Feb 2014

I always took him to be an Elway-like teabagger. Don't ask me where I got that impression -- I know it was something he said or did, but can't even remember what it was at this point.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
12. I'm not even a little surprised. After all, Kraft donated the maximum to Obama
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 05:45 PM
Feb 2014

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Patriots owner Robert Kraft has given $5,000 -- the maximum allowed under federal election law -- to Obama. Jets owner Woody Johnson not only has funneled the same amount to Romney, he serves as the New York finance chairman for the former Massachusetts governor who is a Patriots’ fan.

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The total score, based on the most recent information on donations directly to the candidates from the NFL ownership ranks: Romney $63,500; Obama $12,500.

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http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2012/10/presidential_elections.html

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Only New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft, who’s overseen three Super Bowl-winning teams, has heavily favored Democrats and given enough to make the top 10 contributors list. Of the $33,600 he has contributed since 2009, only $4,800 went to Republicans.

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http://www.printkiller.com/sports/2011/10/so-is-your-favorite-nfl-team-a-democrat-or-a-republican/

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
25. Just for the record, Elway has come out in support of the idea of
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 12:33 PM
Feb 2014

having MS on the Broncos, so now even hardcore teabag types are open to the idea!

Yavin4

(35,442 posts)
7. Did Michael Sam major in video tapping?
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 05:40 PM
Feb 2014

Just kidding. Just a little joke.

Good for Kraft and the Pats.

malthaussen

(17,204 posts)
8. Don't miss the disclaimer:
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 05:40 PM
Feb 2014

Repeated a couple of times: "If he could help us win."

Back in the bad old days, many baseball owners would claim they would sign black ballplayers "if they had the ability." Funny thing, so many of them seemed to lack that ability.



-- Mal

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
13. well, of course if he could help them win. why would any team sign someone
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 05:47 PM
Feb 2014

who they didn't think would help them win????

malthaussen

(17,204 posts)
14. Sarcasm?
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 05:54 PM
Feb 2014

If not, my thought is that "if he can help us win" could easily be code for "not in this lifetime."

-- Mal

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
15. huh? Kraft is an Obama supporter and has given big $$$ to dems for years
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 06:06 PM
Feb 2014

he clearly meant it.

malthaussen

(17,204 posts)
16. So I see from perusing upthread...
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 06:08 PM
Feb 2014

... so in this case my cynicism is probably ill-founded.

-- Mal

former9thward

(32,025 posts)
26. The "if" is justified because Sam is small.
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 12:36 PM
Feb 2014

He is 6'2 and 255 lbs which is small for a defensive end in the NFL. Normally they are about 300 lbs at least. That will be his main problem not being gay.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
28. I see him as a linebacker in a three/four set. He's plenty quick.
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 12:50 PM
Feb 2014

Sam would have a tough go playing off the blocks of an OT outweighing him by 50/70 lbs. and four inches taller as a DE in the NFL.

former9thward

(32,025 posts)
30. He tried that at the Senior Bowl.
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 12:55 PM
Feb 2014
While an NFL team might look to make Sam into a linebacker, BleacherReport adds that "at the Senior Bowl in January, Sam availed himself at the opportunity to work out for scouts as an outside linebacker. Things did not go well."

Dan Kadar, SB Nation's NFL draft editor, has tweeted several times about Sam's prospects as a linebacker. "He struggled big time at the Senior Bowl working as a linebacker," Kadar wrote Sunday. "Just looked lost in space. I don't see top 100."


http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/02/10/274637570/coming-out-has-complicated-players-prospects-nfl-execs-say

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
31. He'd definitely be a project, I wouldn't let one shot at an unfamiliar position be the deciding
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 01:36 PM
Feb 2014

factor.

He seems smart enough and has the athletic ability, and if he is willing to be coached at the new position he just might be a steal for some team in the draft.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
32. If he went
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 02:12 PM
Feb 2014

to the Patriots, I can almost guarantee that the coaching staff there would try everything they could to find some position where he could excel, even if it's not being a DE.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
38. He'd fit in nicely as a flex DE/OLB, I think.
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 02:44 PM
Feb 2014

He's big enough to play with a hand on the ground but fast enough to rush the passer standing.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
21. Let's also note that Craft was a fan of Tebow...
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 06:38 PM
Feb 2014

and Tim did not make the roster, this is a man true to his word he does not pickup players because they are popular he does it because they help the team win football games. I am a huge fan of Tim Tebow and Michael Sam and I agree with Craft put the best player on the field not the player that will earn you votes or likes on facebook. Michael will get drafted and hopefully he will be wearing a brown and orange jersey of my Browns.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
23. I disagree that he wasn't cut out to be an NFL quarterback.
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 12:05 PM
Feb 2014

If you looked at this last season there were a lot of quarterbacks who were way worse than him however he does bring a circus with him so sometimes it's better to go with a terrible quarterback and throw the season away than to go with a slightly better quarterback but have every news report be about him and not the rest of the team.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
41. The Dolphins used to have a player named Jim Jensen
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 03:29 PM
Feb 2014

He was third on their qb chart behind Dan Marino and his backup.

He stayed for several year by having a high motor and becoming a special teams maven and a third down back/receiver.

I could see that for Tebow.


IMHO, hating somebody for being a Fundamentalist, presuming he or she isn't judgmental, is as bad as hating somebody for being gay, Jewish, African American, liberal, et cetera.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
43. I totally agree.
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 04:03 PM
Feb 2014

I love good players who do positive things in their community and for others. One reason I like Tim Tebow and Richard Sherman, both are good players who do positive things for their community.

Mike Daniels

(5,842 posts)
40. I don't know that he was any more preachy than some other QB's
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 03:23 PM
Feb 2014

The Russell Wilson was God this, God that during his post game interview after the Super Bowl and Kaepernick is no less showy than Tebow what with his scripture tattoos/art on his arms.

I'll give Tebow points for self-deprecation as the commercials he was in during the Super Bowl were probably among the more entertaining ones during the entire game.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
42. yeah those commercials were great. i think he is athletic enough to play a different position
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 03:36 PM
Feb 2014

and perhaps do well.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
33. Not only that, but...
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 02:13 PM
Feb 2014

After the laughingstock the Jets made of Tebow, he did gain back some measure of dignity after his time with NE, even though it didn't work out.

MissMillie

(38,560 posts)
34. Not really
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 02:29 PM
Feb 2014

They got rid of Hernandez right away.

AND they had a pretty good season despite a plethora of injuries.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
37. I'd want Sam on my team--the game tape of him
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 02:43 PM
Feb 2014

is incredible. Dude puts me in mind of Willie McGinest.

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