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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 07:45 PM Feb 2014

In Atlanta's defense... how many inches of ice does it take to be a problem?

The answer is, of course, that less than an inch of ice (versus snow) is more than enough to make life Hell.

A swath from Atlanta to Raleigh is poised to get an ice storm Tues-Wed. Those of us a little north of that arc will get good old-fashioned snow Wed-Thu.

This southern icing is a typical occurrence for the northern-south because it is a little warmer there, and freezing rain is a borderline-temperature type of phenomenon... water freezing to ice.

I am an excellent snow driver. I cannot, however, drive well on solid ice when temperatures are 25-35 degrees because it is pretty much impossible to drive (well) on relatively warm ice.

Ice is not all that slippery (as you've probably noticed in sub-zero conditions) but pressure on ice, from shoes or tires or the blades of ice skates, instantly melts the very surface of the ice making a thin layer of water over ice directly under the tire or skate.

So seeing southerners careen about in these winter storms is understandable. Not only do they lack the budgets and equipment for winter storm preparation, but what they are driving on is actually worse for driving than what we get in colder climes.

To end with something productive, I would suggest, for the Atlanta area, a halt to big-rug truck traffic during winter storm events. (But done on an hour by hour basis, not a general ban whenever bad weather might be coming.)

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Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
5. I don't think snow tires are all that common up North
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 07:52 PM
Feb 2014

I live in Ohio, so we don't get hit really bad, but the percent of people that use snow tires is less than 2%, if I had to guess.

I've spent winters in Montana, and even there, snow tires were not all that common there either (although 4wd and snow chains were more common, at least in the rural area I was in)

blm

(113,065 posts)
11. I'm from Ohio and we always used snow tires when I lived there. Lake effect snow
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 11:25 PM
Feb 2014

was a regular issue.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
2. 0.25 inch is enough to down a power line
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 07:51 PM
Feb 2014

Even without falling trees and tree branches, the weight of the ice itself can easily snap power lines and also break and bring down power/utility poles; even electricity pylons with steel frames. This can leave people without power for anywhere from several days to a month. According to most meteorologists, just one quarter of an inch of ice accumulation can add about 500 pounds (230 kg) of weight per line span. Damage from ice storms is easily capable of shutting down entire metropolitan areas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_storm

SharonAnn

(13,776 posts)
7. And it doesn't take much to cause the tall pine trees to topple over, either.
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 07:54 PM
Feb 2014

They have small, shallow root systems and when they get top-heavy with ice, they fall.

And, in my experience, it's almost impossible to drive on ice. Even the best driver can lost control very quickly.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
10. Or bend over until they crack and lose their tops
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 07:57 PM
Feb 2014

The sound of those massive pine trees cracking like match sticks is a really frightening sound.

Because traffic is halted, it's quiet outside the sound is all you hear when it starts.

Whole stands of pine trees come down.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
3. A simple coating of ice is a problem.
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 07:52 PM
Feb 2014

I'm glad the governor got ahead of this.

Stay safe my friends in Atlanta.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
4. Since it is a rare occurance I would advise stay at home and don't drive..
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 07:52 PM
Feb 2014

If you don't know how to drive in such conditions you should not make the attempt. It is like giving a child a loaded gun and say have fun.....If they don't know what they are doing it is dangerous and most adults should know better.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
8. They have had mandatory weigh stations all day
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 07:55 PM
Feb 2014

passing out pamphlets to truckers all day today. Starting tomorrow they will require chains on tires, only allowed use of 285 AROUND Atlanta and no trucks on I75/85 through the heart of the city.

Abq_Sarah

(2,883 posts)
9. As you pointed out
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 07:56 PM
Feb 2014

It's not really "how much snow" but rather, how much ice. I'm hoping all my Southern friends stock up on essentials and hunker down for the next few days. Freezing rain (which is in the forecast) will coat trees and powerlines so not only will the roads be miserable, it's very likely that a LOT of people are going to be without power and ice on the roads will only compound the problem with getting it restored.

Be safe, everyone!

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