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ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 03:39 AM Mar 2012

French Police Raid Toulouse House for Terror Shooting Suspect (Suspect Dead in Gunfight at Hour 32.)

Last edited Thu Mar 22, 2012, 12:52 PM - Edit history (10)

By SCOTT SAYARE
Published: March 21, 2012

TOULOUSE, France — Elite police officers surrounded a multifamily residence in Toulouse early on Wednesday and were negotiating with a 24-year-old man claiming ties to Al Qaeda and suspected in the killings this week of three young children and a rabbi at a nearby Jewish school, French officials said.

The man told police negotiators that those killings, as well as the fatal shootings of three French soldiers in recent days, were to avenge the deaths of Palestinian children and to protest French military involvement deployments abroad, according to investigators and Interior Minister Claude Guéant, who was at the site of the raid on Wednesday morning.

The suspect fired several times at security forces ringing the five-floor residence in which he had barricaded himself in the neighborhood of Côte Pavée, about two miles south of the Jewish school where the four people were killed on Monday. Three officers were wounded, Mr. Guéant said.

Police officials were attempting to negotiate with the suspect and had brought his mother to the residence in the hope she would help convince him to surrender but she declined to speak the suspect, Mr. Guéant said.

More: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/22/world/europe/toulouse-shootings-suspects-house-raided-by-french-police.html?_r=1&hp

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French Police Raid Toulouse House for Terror Shooting Suspect (Suspect Dead in Gunfight at Hour 32.) (Original Post) ellisonz Mar 2012 OP
Still surrounded: ellisonz Mar 2012 #1
Road to radicalization from Toulouse to Kandahar ellisonz Mar 2012 #2
Israelis, Palestinians reject linking shootings to Mideast debate ellisonz Mar 2012 #3
France shootings siege: Live Report ellisonz Mar 2012 #4
More... ellisonz Mar 2012 #14
Another raid could be coming soon... ellisonz Mar 2012 #15
Toulouse Victims Buried in Israel ellisonz Mar 2012 #16
I think we're at like 14 hours into the stand-off. ellisonz Mar 2012 #5
BBC News Coverage: ellisonz Mar 2012 #6
Toulouse shootings - 'Gunman' calls FRANCE 24 hours before pre-dawn raid ellisonz Mar 2012 #7
Watching the news right now on French TV via Dish Network aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2012 #8
Thank you for that report. ellisonz Mar 2012 #9
I bet they did nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #10
Shades of Mumbai ellisonz Mar 2012 #11
Yup. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #12
I've got my bet... ellisonz Mar 2012 #13
reportage france 2 video amateur mohamed merah ellisonz Mar 2012 #17
CNN: Explosions reported at the scene nt pinboy3niner Mar 2012 #18
It has begun... ellisonz Mar 2012 #19
More: ellisonz Mar 2012 #20
Thanks for the updates pinboy3niner Mar 2012 #21
No prob. This is an interesting story. ellisonz Mar 2012 #22
You are correct nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #25
The action might be over: ellisonz Mar 2012 #26
I'll check south, la jornada is directly translating Te French press. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #27
They may have just blown the doors but not be raiding: ellisonz Mar 2012 #28
Indeed usually team follows that. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #29
I just watched French and Belgian news shows carried on Dish Network aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2012 #30
You know what is sad? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #32
Our media have their hands full with the Manning/Tebow/Saints stuff Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #82
Confirmned: They were just trying to intimidate him. ellisonz Mar 2012 #33
This is one of the most confusing police raids nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #34
It's a strange tactic... ellisonz Mar 2012 #35
Having participated in a few dynamic entries nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #36
I think they must be worried about that too... ellisonz Mar 2012 #37
Well no updates in the Mexican media nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #38
Here we go. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #31
There is no assault. oberliner Mar 2012 #39
Read the exchanges above nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #41
They seem really keen on taking him alive oberliner Mar 2012 #42
Yup nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #44
Msnbc has had zero nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #23
"He's going to be accused of being an Etch-A-Sketch himself, Romney" aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2012 #24
There is no raid - they are still negotiating oberliner Mar 2012 #40
Negotiations consisting of: ellisonz Mar 2012 #43
More explosions from guardian blog nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #45
French TV and BBC World News described the use of stun grenades by the police aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2012 #46
Here is update nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #47
Report of possible gunshots ellisonz Mar 2012 #48
Hmm via Mexican notimex nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #49
Sarkosy needs him alive otherwise it looks like he failed... ellisonz Mar 2012 #52
Yup nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #53
Update police blow hole in wall nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #50
Must have been the reported "large detonation" ellisonz Mar 2012 #51
Police siege of suspect in French killings stretches into second day ellisonz Mar 2012 #54
Wow, the screen ap from le Figaro nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #56
Image: ellisonz Mar 2012 #62
k&r n/t appal_jack Mar 2012 #55
There's a denial of earlier claims that Mohamed Merah did jail time in Afghanistan. ellisonz Mar 2012 #57
Further update nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #58
I gotta wonder if Mera shot himself? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #59
Seems like maybe they're just letting each other know... ellisonz Mar 2012 #60
He may have...unclear. ellisonz Mar 2012 #64
Some posts from the AFP Feed: ellisonz Mar 2012 #61
Just about dawn in Toulouse... ellisonz Mar 2012 #63
Situation Uncertain ellisonz Mar 2012 #65
He is dead nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #66
Ended sooner than I thought it would... ellisonz Mar 2012 #67
just like that. Liberal_in_LA Mar 2012 #75
Here's a summary of today's events from the Guardian: ellisonz Mar 2012 #68
French killings suspect dies shooting at police, authorities say ellisonz Mar 2012 #69
Mohammed Merah ellisonz Mar 2012 #70
Toulouse shootings: political fall-out for France's elections ellisonz Mar 2012 #71
"France's first ever school shooting". wow. we have so many here. Liberal_in_LA Mar 2012 #72
Depressing isn't it? I presume the Guardian fact-checked... ellisonz Mar 2012 #73
Depressing for us, happy for them (that they have less violence against kids) Liberal_in_LA Mar 2012 #74
I'm going to start practicing my French again. ellisonz Mar 2012 #76
yeah, that's really eye-opening, if true.. Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #83
Killings sour good life for high-flying Toulouse ellisonz Mar 2012 #77
Some of the victims... ellisonz Mar 2012 #78
heart-breaking aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2012 #80
CNN Breaking: Mohammed Merah was on U.S. no-fly list. ellisonz Mar 2012 #79
French intelligence queried over al Qaeda shooter ellisonz Mar 2012 #81
Now politics will play a role nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #84
I think Sarkozy hangs on... ellisonz Mar 2012 #86
France police investigate whether Toulouse gunman was 'lone wolf' ellisonz Mar 2012 #85

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
1. Still surrounded:
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 01:06 PM
Mar 2012
Toulouse Massacre Suspect Surrounded
By LAMA HASAN (@LamaHasan) and RYM MOMTAZ
March 21, 2012

French special forces have surrounded a five-story apartment building in Toulouse where the suspect wanted for the murder of three French soldiers, a rabbi and three Jewish schoolchildren has now been holed up for more than ten hours.

French prosecutor Francois Molins said that 24-year-old suspect Mohammed Merah had taken responsibility for the attacks, and had been planning to "act again by killing a soldier whom he had already identified" and two Toulouse police officers. According to French media, French President Nicolas Sarkozy told Jewish community leaders that the suspect had been stopped before he could carry out another terror attack planned for today

Molins also said a camera had been found in a bag belonging to Merah, and that Merah claimed to have uploaded footage of his attacks on the web, though no trace has yet been found of the videos.

Merah, a French citizen of Algerian descent, is heavily armed and has already wounded two officers in a shoot out with police. According to French authorities, Merah claims to have ties to al Qaeda and says he acted to avenge the deaths of Palestinian children and to protest France's involvement in Afghanistan. Merah has thrown a Colt .45 out the window of the building, but is reportedly still armed with a Kalashnikov, an Uzi and several handguns.

More: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/toulouse-massacre-suspect-surrounded/story?id=15970260#.T2oKc46Rl_k


The above is as of two minutes ago.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
2. Road to radicalization from Toulouse to Kandahar
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 01:20 PM
Mar 2012
By John Irish | Reuters – 3 hrs ago

TOULOUSE, France (Reuters) - For Mohamed Merah, the Frenchman suspected of killing four Jews and three Muslim soldiers in southwestern France, the road to radicalization ran from Toulouse to Kandahar in Afghanistan.

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The suspect, a French citizen of Algerian origin, had been under surveillance by France's domestic intelligence service for several years after being identified in Afghanistan. But he led a normal life of soccer and night clubbing, according to friends and neighbors who had no idea that he had been in Afghanistan.

Merah had a police record for several minor offences, some involving violence, Gueant told reporters, "but there was no evidence that he was planning such criminal actions."

During one of those trips, Merah was arrested in Kandahar and sentenced to three years in prison for planting bombs in the province but escaped in a mass Taliban jail break in 2008, the director of Kandahar prison told Reuters.

More: http://news.yahoo.com/road-radicalization-toulouse-kandahar-141704414.html

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
3. Israelis, Palestinians reject linking shootings to Mideast debate
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 01:33 PM
Mar 2012
March 21, 2012 | 7:47 am

Excerpt:

Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Salam Fayyad condemned Monday's attack and dismissed the suspect’s attempt to link the crime to the cause of Palestinian statehood.

“It is time for those criminals to stop exploiting the name of Palestine through their terrorist actions or claim victory to the rights of Palestinian children, who only seek a decent life for themselves and all children of the world,” Fayyad said.

At a cemetery service on the slopes of western Jerusalem, Israel Knesset Speaker Reuven Rivlin said there was no defense for killing children.

“Those seeking justification for this hatred shall find none," he said before an audience that included many of the victims’ relatives. “There never was, nor will there be, reason for acts of terror against Jews anywhere.”

More: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2012/03/israelis-palestinians-school-shooting.html

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
4. France shootings siege: Live Report
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 02:04 PM
Mar 2012
By Ruth Holmes | AFP – 8 minutes ago

1748 GMT: More on Merah from the French prosecutor. He says that from mid August to mid October 2011, the suspected gunman visited Pakistan, where he contracted hepatitis A.

1720 GMT: A scooter dealer in Toulouse tells AFP he played a key role in identifying the suspect. Christian Dellacherie, who owns the Yam 31 Yamaha dealership, says he provided investigators with the name of the suspected gunman, Mohamed Merah.

Watching surveillance footage shown to him by police, Dellacherie had noticed that the scooter used in the attack had been partially repainted white and recalled a man who came into his shop a few days earlier saying he had taken his scooter apart to repaint it. "I gave them the first and last names of the young man, which we had in our database since he was 14 years old," Dellacherie said.

1710 GMT: Police have also found a camera that the killer may have used to film the attacks, Molins confirms, responding to reporters' questions at a press conference in Toulouse. It was discovered "in a bag which he had given to an acquaintance to look after," the prosecutor adds.

More: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/france-shootings-siege-live-report-083102000.html

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
14. More...
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 04:04 PM
Mar 2012
1947 GMT: Gueant's full quote: "He explained how he received instructions from Al-Qaeda during his stay in Pakistan, how he had even been suggested to carry out a suicide mission but refused, but accepted to carry out a general mission to commit an attack in France." Prosecutors have already said that Merah, the suspect, has told negotiators he was trained by the late Osama bin Laden's Islamist network on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.

1943 GMT: More very interesting comments from Claude Gueant, the French interior minister. He told TF1 TV that the suspect had received orders from Al-Qaeda but refused their request for him to carry out a suicide attack.

1931 GMT: France's interior minister says the gunman was given a "mission" for attacks in the country.

-----

1856 GMT: US President Barack Obama calls President Nicolas Sarkozy to offer his condolences. The French presidency says in a statement: "France and the United States are more determined than ever to fight together against terrorist barbarism."


Hour 17.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
15. Another raid could be coming soon...
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 05:44 PM
Mar 2012
2019 GMT: A bid to broker Merah's surrender through someone he knew failed just before the decision was taken to turn the lights off, an unnamed source close to the matter tells AFP. Despite the darkness elsewhere, Merah's building is still lit up through an alternative source.

2014 GMT: The decision to switch off the lights, reported by an AFP correspondent on the ground, could be in anticipation of an assault on the apartment where Merah is holed up.

2011 GMT: We are now hearing that street lights in the area where the siege is taking place have been switched off.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
16. Toulouse Victims Buried in Israel
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 06:16 PM
Mar 2012
By ISABEL KERSHNER
Published: March 21, 2012

JERUSALEM — The journey from Toulouse, France, ended here, in the sprawling cemetery known as Har Hamenuchot, or the Mount of Rest, in the Jerusalem hills. The four victims of the shooting outside a Jewish school, three of them children, were buried on Wednesday in a joint funeral that was attended by thousands.

The bodies of Rabbi Jonathan Sandler, 30, a religious instructor at the school; his two sons, Arye, 6, and Gabriel, 3; and Miriam Monsonego, 8, the daughter of the school’s principal, were flown overnight from France. Rabbi Sandler was a French citizen; the three children had dual French-Israeli nationality.

Before the burials, mourners packed into a sun-drenched courtyard, many of them men wearing the black clothes of ultra-Orthodoxy. French and Israeli dignitaries, including the French foreign minister, Alain Juppé, joined relatives of the victims there in eulogizing the innocents, their bodies wrapped in prayer shawls and a velvet cloth and laid out on stretchers before the small podium.

Mr. Juppé said that the whole of France was in shock over the attack, adding, “Your pain is ours.”

More: NY Times Story


ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
5. I think we're at like 14 hours into the stand-off.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 02:45 PM
Mar 2012

He's still in there, they might just try to wait him out.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
7. Toulouse shootings - 'Gunman' calls FRANCE 24 hours before pre-dawn raid
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 03:21 PM
Mar 2012

Toulouse shootings - Just hours before French police raided a suspect's house in Toulouse on Wednesday, FRANCE 24's Ebba Kalondo spoke to a man claiming to be the gunman who killed four people at a Jewish school and three French soldiers in the space of 10 days.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
8. Watching the news right now on French TV via Dish Network
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 03:28 PM
Mar 2012

The stand off is now in its 16th hour. The shooter Merah is communicating with police through the door and says he will soon give up. He boasts of having "brought the French Republic to its knees" and swears hatred against Jews and the French military for its long presence in the war in Afghanistan. Two police were shot by him through his apartment door, one in the knee. Merah traded the police a .45 caliber revolver by throwing it out the window in exchange for a cell phone but they know he has other weapons. The entire building has been evacuated and Merah's mother and brother taken into custody. The newscaster said the government really wants to take him alive for questioning and therefore will let the stand off go on. The French government is getting heat from the press because of Merah's two previous trips abroad to Afghanistan and Pakistan and his involvement in a bombing in the Afghanistan conflict. Also, Merah's brother has been implicated in a network supporting Al Quaeda activities in Irag. The French secret service have had Merah under surveillance for quite some time but he's supposedly never come into contact with Jihadists while in France. The newscaster said that Merah's friends never suspected his Jihadist obsession but he did engage in unusual behavior, spending hour after hour watching movies at home that feature beheadings. Merah's identity was discovered by the shopkeeper who sold him a motorbike. Hr became suspicious of Merah when the latter visited his shop and asked how he could disable an anti-theft tracking device built into the scooter.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
9. Thank you for that report.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 03:32 PM
Mar 2012

I would wager he's going to avoid being taken alive, because of his background, and can hold out for quite awhile longer since he probably anticipated the siege. Wonder if they turned of the water.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
11. Shades of Mumbai
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 03:42 PM
Mar 2012

That itself has a psychological effect in circumstances as a diminishing supply. He's probably well past his initial adrenaline rush (unless he's hopped up) and so yeah this guy must really be a true believer.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
13. I've got my bet...
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 03:56 PM
Mar 2012

...placed on lone-wolf:

Response to rug (Reply #4)
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 11:37 AM

I'm thinking we're looking for a lone-wolf Islamic extremist probably of North African origin.

Religion Forum on Monday


Seems like he involved his brother but that's probably all there is to it, the attacks were simplistic and not well-planned. There is a certain rashness to them that doesn't typify organizational thinking. He's definitely got ties in his past, but as the French interior minister noted, he was not observed meeting with anyone else.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
19. It has begun...
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 06:49 PM
Mar 2012

10.45pm: Toulouse's deputy mayor has confirmed that an assault has begun on the suspect's apartment, Reuters reports. It is not immediately clear whether the explosions are as a result of the police action or a response from the suspect.

10.39pm: Reuters is reporting that three blasts have been heard in Toulouse at the site where the suspected gunman is holed up.

Guardian Blog

*finger-cross* for the French police

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
20. More:
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:01 PM
Mar 2012

10.59pm: The Guardian's Angelique Chrisafis, in Toulouse, says the the French rolling news channel iTele has quoted interior ministry sources that Merah could have changed his mind about surrendering. Merah had said earlier that he would hand himself over in the afternoon, and then in the evening, but neither had happened.

10.57pm: The explosions blew open the door of the apartment where the suspected gunman has been holed up since the early hours of the morning, a police source has told Reuters. "I confirm that the assault has started," he said.

Jean-Pierre Havrin, the deputy mayor of Toulouse, confirmed that negotiations had ended and the assault had begun.

From the Guardian Blog.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
21. Thanks for the updates
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:06 PM
Mar 2012

I haven't seen anything further on cable news yet. CNN went to Erin Burnett's show at the top of the hour, so I did what I always do--switched to MSNBC. Tweety covering politics--Etch A Sketch, Jeb endorsing Romney...

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
22. No prob. This is an interesting story.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:10 PM
Mar 2012

I switched to CNN because Rev. Al ended and now I can't pry my eyes away - the wealth - the aura!

I would guess the media is being kept far back and we won't get any more news until they've sorted through what they find.

On edit: Switched to MSNBC, oh man Chuck Todd is annoying.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
25. You are correct
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:13 PM
Mar 2012

During a kidnapping I got CNN to lay off in exchange for an exclusive. This one strikes even more as no tv allowed.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
26. The action might be over:
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:15 PM
Mar 2012

11.12pm: France 3 TV's Fabrice Valéry has tweeted that police have entered the suspected gunman's apartment.

-Guardian blog.

The apartment can't be that big. I get the impression we're dealing with an open area like a duplex.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
28. They may have just blown the doors but not be raiding:
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:23 PM
Mar 2012
2312 GMT: As we have heard previously, Merah, who claims to have been trained by Al-Qaeda on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border, is thought to be heavily armed with weapons including with a Kalashnikov assault rifle, a Mini-Uzi submachine pistol and a collection of handguns. Not yet clear exactly where these three latest explosions were coming from.

2308 GMT: Despite the flurry of activity, an unnamed source close to the operation has denied the latest blasts indicate a fresh assault on 23-year-old Merah's first floor flat. "He said he wanted to give himself up. He changed his mind, so we're stepping up on the pressure on him to surrender," the source said. There were no sounds suggesting an exchange of fire following the blasts, according to AFP reporters on the ground.

AFP Live Blog


Strange approach. They should try tear gas...
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
29. Indeed usually team follows that.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:28 PM
Mar 2012

I am gonna say it, will not shock me if they find a dead body with a round in his brains.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
30. I just watched French and Belgian news shows carried on Dish Network
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:29 PM
Mar 2012

They said negotiations have stopped and the assault orders have been given but they think the three explosions were police efforts to scare Merah into giving up, although the police aren't giving details.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
32. You know what is sad?
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:38 PM
Mar 2012

You are following this on Belgian tv. I am following this on Mexican online papers.

There is a problem in this.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
33. Confirmned: They were just trying to intimidate him.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:40 PM
Mar 2012
11.36pm: Reuters is now quoting the French interior minister saying that a raid has not been launched on Mohammed Merah's apartment. He said the three explosions were meant to intimidate the suspect. This contradicts earlier reports quoting the deputy mayor of Toulouse saying an assault had begun.

11.30pm: Several French news outlets are quoting police sources saying that authorities have not yet launched an assault on the school shooting suspect, but were putting pressure on him after he U-turned on an earlier decision to turn himself in.

"He said he wanted to give himself up. He changed his mind, so we're stepping up on the pressure on him to surrender," two sources told France 3.

Guardian Blog
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
34. This is one of the most confusing police raids
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:44 PM
Mar 2012

Events I have ever seen.

You follow Reuters, another poster Belgian tv, and me Notimex. Somebody will get the real scoop.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
35. It's a strange tactic...
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:53 PM
Mar 2012

...generally when they go, they go, use the element of surprise rather than try to wear them down. I remember following the Mumbai attack and once it had gotten into the 50-60 hour mark it became kinda interesting from an American perspective because we are used to SWAT either not going or going hard. Using explosives to intimidate is a new approach.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
36. Having participated in a few dynamic entries
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:59 PM
Mar 2012

The only thing I can speculate is that this guy somehow has wired the place...

That is the only thing that half way makes sense.

The police unit is quite elite and they train in dynamic entry.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
37. I think they must be worried about that too...
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 08:06 PM
Mar 2012

They said they found weapons in his car and that he had been planning new attacks. We could be looking at another day of stand-off at least if he's got food and water.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
38. Well no updates in the Mexican media
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 08:11 PM
Mar 2012

I still find this odd...it is a major story absorbing news services abroad...but mums the word on my tv.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
31. Here we go.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:36 PM
Mar 2012
http://www.prensaescrita.com/adiario.php?codigo=MEX&pagina=http://www.cronica.com.mx

Short and sweet, final assault has started and according to local police sources they have stopped any talks.

That's the short and sweet?..this s Notimex via AFP.
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
39. There is no assault.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 08:14 PM
Mar 2012

From Reuters:

They were moves to intimidate the gunman who seems to have changed his mind and does not want to surrender. There is no assault.

As of 23.45.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
44. Yup
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 08:23 PM
Mar 2012

And for the moment we have several DU'ers monitoring several news services.

I find it ironic that save the Reuters wire, non is American.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
24. "He's going to be accused of being an Etch-A-Sketch himself, Romney"
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:12 PM
Mar 2012

Tweety is happy as a clam today. He loves this Etch A Sketch story.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
40. There is no raid - they are still negotiating
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 08:16 PM
Mar 2012

Le Monde's Soren Seelow tweets that things have returned to calm, and that some sources suggest negotiations between the suspect and the police have resumed.

http://twitter.com/#!/soren_seelow

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
45. More explosions from guardian blog
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:08 PM
Mar 2012

12.54am:
A reporter from France's Le Monde newspaper has tweeted of more explosions at the scene. He says there have been three small blasts followed by a powerful detonation.

#Toulouse En quelques minutes, on a entendu trois petites détonations et une plus forte

— Soren Seelow (@soren_seelow) March 22, 2012

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
46. French TV and BBC World News described the use of stun grenades by the police
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:14 PM
Mar 2012

and the express order by Sarkozy that the assassin must be taken alive so that the families of the victims can get satisfaction in court when Merah is tried.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
47. Here is update
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:52 PM
Mar 2012

1.50am: Our news team have just updated our main news story on the situation in Toulouse.


1.45am:This is Warren Murray taking over from Barry Neald on our live blog of the Toulouse siege involving gunman Mohamed Merah.

1.36am: France24 has quoted AFP as saying that security forces with bulletproof vests have been taking positions around the building where Mohamed Merah remains holed up.


Oh and Mexican media has updated as well.

In order, AFP, Guardian, Mexico.

Methinks there is lag due to translation.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
48. Report of possible gunshots
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 10:06 PM
Mar 2012

12.47am: Several gunshots have been heard in the area around the besieged apartment, according to France 3.

Guardian Blog

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
49. Hmm via Mexican notimex
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 10:10 PM
Mar 2012

Cops are under orders to take him alive...it has to do with the elections. And it is from Zarkozy himself.

They seem to be quoting EFE. Take into account there s a little bad blood right now due to a criminal case in Mexico that made it to the supreme court this morning involving a French Citizen and the Viena treaty Offering this as context...

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
52. Sarkosy needs him alive otherwise it looks like he failed...
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 10:57 PM
Mar 2012

...given the length of the stand-off, not to mention whatever implications there might be for French intelligence (he was definitely on their radar).

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
50. Update police blow hole in wall
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 10:27 PM
Mar 2012

2.20am: France3 is quoting reporters at the scene as saying police have blown a hole in the wall of the apartment and Merah is holed up in another room.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
51. Must have been the reported "large detonation"
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 10:29 PM
Mar 2012

If he's down to just a room - this can't go on forever.

*finger-cross for peaceful resolution*

ellisonz

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54. Police siege of suspect in French killings stretches into second day
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 11:15 PM
Mar 2012
From Diana Magnay and Saskya Vandoorne, CNN
updated 10:59 PM EDT, Wed March 21, 2012

Toulouse, France (CNN) -- Mohammed Merah, 23, suspected in seven recent killings, remained holed up Thursday in an apartment in the southern French city of Toulouse, more than 24 hours after hundreds of officers lay siege.

Police continued to demand the surrender of the self-proclaimed jihadist.

Merah is wanted in the killings of three French paratroopers and of three students and a rabbi at a Jewish school in Toulouse, in a string of shootings that began on March 11. He opened fire on police as they tried to break down his apartment door about 3:30 a.m. Wednesday, wounding two officers, Paris prosecutor Francois Molins said.

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Around 12:30 a.m. Thursday (7:30 p.m. Wednesday ET), a police convoy left the scene with what appeared to be someone huddled beneath a blanket in the back seat of one of the cars. But there was no sign the siege was breaking up, and two more explosions rang out about an hour later.

More: http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/21/world/europe/france-shooting/index.html?section=cnn_latest


Slideshow at link.
 

nadinbrzezinski

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56. Wow, the screen ap from le Figaro
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 11:24 PM
Mar 2012

3.07am: Here's the front page from Friday's edition of Le Figaro, headlined: "Mohamed Merah. 23 years, terrorist, Islamist. 7 dead."

The editorial beneath is headlined: "The reality principle."

Le Parisien's front page is headlined: "Journey of a killer."

Sud Ouest's splash headline reflects the fact that there appears to be no escape for Merah, declaring simply that he has been "Neutralised".

All these papers use a screen grab of a smiling Merah from the video here that shows him sliding a silver BMW around in the dirt on some vacant land.

ellisonz

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57. There's a denial of earlier claims that Mohamed Merah did jail time in Afghanistan.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 11:38 PM
Mar 2012

Here's the latest from Reuters:

French school shooting suspect Mohamed Merah was not jailed in Afghanistan in 2007, his lawyer and an Afghan provincial official have said.

Earlier, Kandahar prison chief Ghulam Faruq had told Reuters that Afghan security forces detained Merah on 19 December 2007, and that he was sentenced to three years in jail for planting bombs in the southern province of Kandahar, the Taliban's birthplace.

But the Kandahar governor's office said that account was "baseless", citing judicial records. "Security forces in Kandahar have never detained a French citizen named Mohamed Merah," said the governor's spokesman, Ahmad Jawed Faisal.

Merah's lawyer in France, Christian Etelin, said his client was in prison in France from December 2007 until September 2009 serving a sentence for robbery with violence and therefore could not have been in Afghanistan at the time.

Guardian Blog


Also, reports of more "loud bangs."
 

nadinbrzezinski

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58. Further update
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 11:45 PM
Mar 2012

1.38pm: According to Reuters reporter John Irish, quoted just now by the BBC:


Around 2.30 there was an exchange of fire. It wasn't very long, I think two shots on each side, and then about 20 minutes ago and that was even less. That was I think one shot.

1.33pm: There are various reports of more loud bangs outside Mohamed Merah's hideout.

France3 on its live blog says:

Just heard two shots, according to journalists present on site.
... while Le Monde reports:


The special correspondent of [TV station] BFM announces that a new big bang has been heard.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
59. I gotta wonder if Mera shot himself?
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 12:44 AM
Mar 2012

4.20am: Le Figaro is reporting that a journalist at the scene has heard two more shots from inside the house. Other reports are now coming through of a loud bang at the building.

ellisonz

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64. He may have...unclear.
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 03:48 AM
Mar 2012
0716 GMT: French Interior Minister Claude Gueant reveals that it's not clear if the shooter is actually still alive as police had "no contact" with him during the night.

The suspect said he wanted "to die weapons in hand," Gueant said on RTL radio.

AFP Live Report

ellisonz

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61. Some posts from the AFP Feed:
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 01:28 AM
Mar 2012
0508 GMT: With the siege well into its second day, negotiations between the police elite Raid team and Mohammed Merah are becoming one of the longest carried out by the team since May, 1993. Talks have been going on for some 27 hours now.

In the 1993 case former soldier Erick Schmitt took a teacher and students hostage at a kindergarten in the Paris suburb of Neuilly. Raid finally launched an assault after 46 hours killing Schmitt and rescuing all the hostages safely.

0330 GMT: While there are no obvious signs of an imminent police assault on the gunman, a source close to the enquiry says the end to the standoff is not far off.

0300 GMT: Commentators in the French press on the recent shootings and standoff with Mohamed Merah say the events present a challenge for politicians during the current presidential campaign, and that what has happened in Toulouse will bring change.

"The challenge politicians are facing is a test of national cohesion," writes Nicolas Barre in the economic journal Les Echos. "Mourning and national unity can become hypocrisy and a trap," says Jean-Emmanuel Ducoin in L'Humanité. In Libération, Nicolas Demorand said he hopes these events will bring change and ?some words, some speech will disappear permanently from public life.?

More: AFP Live Feed


Also, Guardian Blog has reports of more flashbangs.

ellisonz

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63. Just about dawn in Toulouse...
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 02:14 AM
Mar 2012
6.02am: The French defence minister, Gerard Longuet, has told France TF1 television:

What we want is to capture him alive, so that we can bring him to justice, know his motivations and hopefully find out who were his accomplices, if there were any.

- Guardian Blog.

ellisonz

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65. Situation Uncertain
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 03:54 AM
Mar 2012
0720 GMT: Gueant insists the authorities main priority is to "take him alive so that he can surrender to face justice. We hope he is still alive."

Gueant said it was "quite strange that he did not react" when police exploded a series of charges overnight to get his attention.

"We heard two shots, we don't know what they were," he added.

"Despite redoubled efforts throughout the night, there has been no contact with him," he said.

0716 GMT: French Interior Minister Claude Gueant reveals that it's not clear if the shooter is actually still alive as police had "no contact" with him during the night.

The suspect said he wanted "to die weapons in hand," Gueant said on RTL radio.

AFP Live Report

ellisonz

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67. Ended sooner than I thought it would...
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 12:48 PM
Mar 2012
Suspect in French shooting attacks dead after raid, shootout
March 22, 2012 | 4:09 am
-- Kim Willsher

REPORTING FROM PARIS -- A 31-hour standoff between French authorities and the suspected slayer of seven people, including three children, ended Thursday with a series of loud explosions and dramatic gunfight. Police said the suspect, Mohamed Merah, died in the raid.

French Interior Minister Claude Guéan said the suspect was hiding in the bathroom when an elite police squad raided the apartment in which he had been holed up. After quietly sitting in the bathtub while the officers searched the apartment, officials said, Merah came out with guns blazing and engaged the armed officers in a shootout.

Some officers said the gunfight was unlike any they had ever encountered.

Authorities said Merah then jumped out of a window of the apartment building, still shooting while falling to his death. Two police officers were injured in the gunfight but should recover, officials said.

More: LA Times Story

ellisonz

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68. Here's a summary of today's events from the Guardian:
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 12:54 PM
Mar 2012
• Merah, 23, was shot dead by a police sniper as he jumped out of the window of the flat where he had been holed up

• Five police officers were "lightly" injured in this morning's assault. Merah is said to have met police with "extreme ferocity" when they stormed the flat, firing 30 rounds at them from a handgun

• The French authorities say "everything was done to try to arrest him alive"

• An autopsy on his body will be carried out in Bordeaux this afternoon

• President Sarkozy has said France will make it a crime to consult websites that advocate terrorism or hate crimes, adding that French prisons "should not become breeding grounds for indoctrination"

Guardian Blog


Also, he videotaped his attacks and posted them online.

Good riddance, Mohammed Merah. Best wishes to all who have suffered in this tragedy.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
69. French killings suspect dies shooting at police, authorities say
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 01:13 PM
Mar 2012
From Diana Magnay and Saskya Vandoorne, CNN
updated 12:41 PM EDT, Thu March 22, 2012

Toulouse, France (CNN) -- The French police siege to capture a suspected al Qaeda-trained militant came to a bloody end Thursday morning when commandos shot Mohammed Merah in the head as he fired wildly back at them, authorities said.

Merah emerged from a bathroom in his apartment and fired more than 30 shots at police as they burst in to end a standoff that had lasted more than 31 hours, Paris prosecutor Francois Molins said.

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Police found video recordings of the attacks, ammunition and ingredients for explosives after he was killed, Molins said.

In the video of the first shooting of a French soldier in Toulouse, Merah told the soldier, "You kill my brothers, I kill you," Molins told reporters. In another video showing how he gunned down two more French soldiers in Montauban, Merah is heard saying "Allahu Akbar," or God is great, Molins said.

More: CNN Coverage


Who was French gunman Mohammed Merah?
By Laura Smith-Spark, CNN
updated 11:56 AM EDT, Thu March 22, 2012

(CNN) -- French gunman Mohammed Merah, the self-styled al Qaeda jihadist accused of killing seven people, died in a hail of bullets Thursday as police moved in to end a day-long siege.

He was shot in the head after he jumped out of a window with a gun in his hand, authorities say, ending a deadly episode that has shaken the nation.

As a picture emerged of a man who was known to the police and had apparently sought out Islamist jihadists in Pakistan and Afghanistan, many have questioned why it took so long to track him down.

The 23-year-old first struck March 11, killing a soldier in Toulouse. Another shooting in Montauban four days later left two soldiers dead, and a third attack on a Jewish school in Toulouse Monday killed four people, including three children.

More: CNN Coverage

ellisonz

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71. Toulouse shootings: political fall-out for France's elections
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 03:17 PM
Mar 2012
Nicolas Sarkozy's election campaign has been transformed by the shootings of three soldiers, a rabbi and three children
Angelique Chrisafis in Toulouse
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 21 March 2012 16.52 EDT

Five weeks before the first round of the French presidential election, the horror of the Toulouse shootings is likely to transform the campaign. But whether it will tone down the brutal tone of the presidential battle remains to be seen.

Jewish and Muslim religious leaders in France immediately appealed against politicians using the seven murders – of three soldiers, a rabbi and three children – for political gain. But even as the gunman, with his apparent links to Islamist extremism, was holed up in his apartment with hit squads negotiating through his front door, the politicking had begun in Paris.

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If it emerges that the suspect was known to the police, there may be outrage that he was not caught after his first two attacks, leaving him free to strike against Jewish schoolchildren – France's first ever school shooting.The president knows he must walk a delicate line and not be perceived to be twisting the situation for his own gain. His entourage is aware of the disaster for the Spanish right in 2004 when José María Aznar's government blamed Basque militants for the Islamist Madrid train bombings. Days later, Aznar lost the elections to the Socialists.

Crucial to Sarkozy is the personal turnaround in his image. He had been fighting a bitter and difficult battle for re-election, but instantly suspended his campaign after the school shooting.

More: Guardian Story

ellisonz

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73. Depressing isn't it? I presume the Guardian fact-checked...
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 03:27 PM
Mar 2012

...and also a quick google check turns up no reports of any others. There is one other incident known as the Human Bomb incident when a psychotic took children hostage, but he was killed by French police with no other casualties. At least it's over, this has been certainly jarring to Europe and to Jewish people around the world. Kinda puts things in perspective for many...



ellisonz

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76. I'm going to start practicing my French again.
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 03:57 PM
Mar 2012

And also look up my ex-girlfriend with French citizenship

ellisonz

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77. Killings sour good life for high-flying Toulouse
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 04:24 PM
Mar 2012
By John Irish | Reuters – Tue, Mar 20, 2012

TOULOUSE, France (Reuters) - From the ancient university at its rose-pink mediaeval heart to the booming aerospace plants that now fill its sunny skies with jetstreams, Toulouse, fast-growing old capital of the south, is a city of dreams for many in France.

All the more shocking then that a nightmare killer, driven it seems by race and religious hatreds, is stalking its streets, having shot dead three Jewish children and a rabbi on Monday after also murdering three soldiers of North African origin.

"It's an exceptionally open and welcoming city, where the lifestyle of the southwest reigns supreme," said Gerard Bapt, a local member of parliament, on Tuesday, referencing the French image of the region as one of sunshine and song, hearty cuisine and a certain raffish insouciance toward the business of life.

"So something like this comes as a shock for us."

A crossroads since Roman times between the Mediterranean and Atlantic and routes from the north to Spain across the Pyrenees, Toulouse has boomed in recent decades as a home to European plane maker Airbus, the French space agency CNES and a hothouse of researchers clustered around its 800-year-old university.

More: Reuters via Yahoo News Story

ellisonz

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78. Some of the victims...
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 04:59 PM
Mar 2012

By Elizabeth Flock

A photo has been released of three of the victims killed by a gunman at a Jewish school in Toulouse, France on Monday. Rabbi Jonathan Sandler (center) and his sons Ariel (far left) and Gabriel (far right) were killed in the attack. Here, they are shown holding hands with Jonathan’s wife and daughter, who survived.


('Hadrei Haredim’ - GETTY IMAGES)

WaPo Blog

ellisonz

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79. CNN Breaking: Mohammed Merah was on U.S. no-fly list.
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 05:11 PM
Mar 2012

Also, confirms he trained at Al Qaida camp in Afghanistan. Sarkoszy proposing new anti-terror laws to monitor internet and prison activities. He was arrested 10 times in his youth. Investigation into how he obtained weapons and if he had accomplices. It is 10:10 PM in France.

Per Dan Rivers.

ellisonz

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81. French intelligence queried over al Qaeda shooter
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 05:38 PM
Mar 2012
By Laura Rozen | The Envoy – 36 mins ago

French president Nicolas Sarkozy called for unity in France Thursday following the dramatic shootout that killed Toulouse gunman Mohammed Merah after a 32-hour standoff. Merah, a 23-year-old Frenchman of Algerian descent, had admitted Wednesday to negotiators that he had killed three children and their teacher and three French paratroopers, prosecutors said. And indeed, they said they found videotapes he had made of the killings in his apartment.

But French officials were facing sharp questions in the wake of the Toulouse killing spree, in particular about why they had failed to close in on Merah earlier.

The 23-year-old Toulouse mechanic had traveled to Afghanistan and Pakistan at least twice, most recently in 2011. He claimed to have trained in jihadi camps in Waziristan, according to French prosecutors Thursday, who said he had also proclaimed allegiance to al-Qaida. Merah was also well-known to Toulouse law enforcement, having been convicted on numerous nonterrorism related crimes, like purse snatching, for which he served a year in prison. Indeed, his attorney reportedly said this week that at their last meeting a couple months ago, he had advised Merah to be on his best behavior because he had recently returned from Afghanistan and would be on the police's radar. (Merah had been picked up for driving without a license.)

"That is one of the big questions people in France are asking coming out of this," Christophe Bauer, a producer at French broadcaster France 24, told Yahoo News Thursday. "There's a sense he just came back from Afghanistan. French officials said they had been tracking him. But what does that tracking mean? Apparently, the French intelligence services in Toulouse talked to him when he got back from Afghanistan."

More: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/french-officials-face-questions-over-handling-toulouse-terror-204743779.html

ellisonz

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85. France police investigate whether Toulouse gunman was 'lone wolf'
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 08:50 PM
Mar 2012

A special police forces unit leaves after the assault on Mohamed Merah's apartment in Toulouse, France. (Pascal Pavani / AFP/Getty Images / March 22, 2012)

After Mohamed Merah is killed after a 32-hour siege, police in Toulouse, France, discover an arsenal of weapons and a video camera he used to film his rampage.
By Kim Willsher, Los Angeles Times

March 22, 2012, 5:09 p.m.
Reporting from Toulouse, France—
French investigators Thursday were trying to establish whether a gunman killed by police after a 32-hour siege had accomplices still at large or was a lone assassin acting out his own bitter agenda.

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Investigators at first described Merah as a "lone wolf" after he told them he had carried out the killings by himself. Police, however, were holding his older brother Abdelkader and were questioning his mother.

On Thursday, several Al Qaeda-affiliated groups claimed responsibility for Merah's crimes. One said it had renamed him Youssef the Frenchman in tribute to his killings.

The French newspaper Le Monde reported that Merah was arrested in southern Afghanistan in November 2010 and quoted an unnamed high-ranking U.S. official there as saying that the young man's passport showed he had traveled to Israel, Iraq and Jordan.

More: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-france-shootout-20120323,0,6291613.story?track=rss
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