Hopefully we don't have some nut on the jury who believes murder is justified.

most jurors want to acquit but the black jurors are holding out...

In the Zimmerman trial, it only took the five jurors a day and a half to "wear down" the one minority holdout (I still can't ever forgive her for that)...

I'll relate my loud-music story. A few months back, I stopped to get gas. Another vehicle drove up, loud music blaring with lyrics something like, "Fuck word fuck another word fuck a third word fuck and lots of N words" thrown in for good measure. In that my 92-year old aunt was in the truck waiting for me to fill up, I did go over and, seriously, as nicely as I know how, asked them to turn the music down while they were in the gas station and explaining that my aunt was in the truck. Their response? Reached in and turned the music up. (sigh) Lesson learned.

But seriously, guns are not the answer to such a problem, or for that matter, somebody texting in a movie theater.

I know you know that Le Taz Hot!

It seems like the answer to everything these days is to pull out a gun and shoot. Now I hear they're going to make it easer for people to obtain CC licenses here in California 'cause moar gunz in the hands of hothead nitwits is always a good idea!

Besides, the NRA are just the cabana boys for the real enemy: the MIC. Street weaponry is just their sideline. The big bucks come from starting/maintaining wars, that's where the real money is.

'Getting ready' for the next one is quite the moneymaker.

That's a ratings bonanza, don't 'cha know! COUNTDOWN TO WARRRRRR!

female educators, who all died trying to protect the little ones entrusted to them, are slaughtered and nothing is done. Really depressing.

Social Security and Medicare were once considered third rails of politics. Now I guess it's guns and raising taxes on the one percent.

I know how I felt that day- I have grade school aged grandchildren. It was a real gut-punch to me. But I guess gun hard ons won again.

feel that they and their loved ones are vulnerable to gun violence. As long as it's just the unwashed masses killing each other, they don't care.

I meant campaign bribes, whoops, sorry again, meant campaign contributions.

in the produce section over avocados.

and what is the point of your little story? I sense you're saying that shooting someone BECAUSE they didn't honor a request is always a possibility. I repeat first question. What's your point?

Apparently, there's a conversation going on in your head. Carry on.

something right under the surface with your post. Can't quite put my finger on it, but sooner or later....so wtf on. You know what I'm asking and saying and I shall carry on. That's WTF!

You can put your finger back, wherever it was.

and where I put my finger may or may not concern you. Leave my finger alone. Go simmer somewhere else.

up on DU?

+1

Can you reveal the importance of mentioning the kid on the bus was black? And the reason the older black man gave approval made a difference to you and you felt better?

to respectfully make the request. Having said that, if it happens again I know to just suck it up and move on.

could have gone elsewhere.

I went back to my truck and shut up. What folly?

(All of a sudden this conversation has turned weird.)

Yes ... you have the "right" to make the request; but what people seem to not want to understand is, they have an equal "right" to NOT honor your request.

Also, I think people read into your post "Lesson Learned (end of remark)" as "these guys were acting in a manner that offended me. I asked them nicely to stop and they told me to go get f@$%ed ... Yeah, I kind of understand why the guy started shooting."

I think society will be a much better place to live when people realize we cannot control how other people act (and a request for someone to stop doing something, is an attempt to control that other person. All we can/should do is control how we act/respond and that action/response should only involve ourselves.

The witness that testified at trial got it right ... He heard the "music" and they chose to park away from what he found offensive.

not honor my request. It's why I walked back to the truck with my tail between my legs and shut up.

I've no idea why anyone would assume I would be advocating shooting. The "lesson" I learned was that sometimes you just gotta back off and let it go.

Seriously, I've been on this board a long time. Anyone is free to see the posts I post, the threads I start and the threads I recommend. Even a cursory glance will tell you I hate guns. I hate everything about guns. I think guns are for cowards and, too often, the people that have them are exactly the people who shouldn't have them. (Ref.: See idiot who shot up a car full of kids 'cause he got pissed at loud music).

No, we can't control how other people act, but that doesn't mean we don't have the right to go up and make the request. Personally, I try to be accommodating if I can because I like to try and be a decent human. I understand that not everyone is of that mindset.

Some did the same thing with the theater texting shooting. Jumped on the texting and how he should have just stopped texting and how they hate people who text during the movies. The implication is they understand why the shooter did what he did and felt empathy with the shooter.

The second someone pulls out a gun and shoots someone dead in cold blood. The texting, loud music playing, whatever get off my lawn annoying behavior goings on happened before becomes completely and utterly irrelevant, and anyone who rambles on about it immediately looks like a blithering murder apologist whether they mean it that way or not.

on an airplane. One said he was "surprised that didn't happen more often."

This place is a hot mess and has been for a long time. The utter lack of sympathy and concern for other human beings from people that can't scream loudly enough about how "liberal" they are is absolutely amazing.

But it is nothing to KILL someone about.

My neighbor's son across the street would work on his car with the damn bass playing so loud it seemed like my walls shook. It would literally cause me to have anxiety symptoms.

After speaking with him nicely several times I finally, CALLED THE POLICE to take care of it. Which they did.

It is hard to talk about it in this situation since the stupid ass killed someone and you don't want to sound like you are on his side.

I thought it was kind of an example of something that grown ups do -- go back to your vehicle and suck it up. Honestly, you win some, you lose some. There are 413,506,369 issues way more important than loud music and pretty much none of them are worth someone's life.

I was going into the gas station to take my 4-year-old to the bathroom. (You know, at that age when they have to go, they really have to go.) There was a car parked right in front with loud music with obscenities, and a guy from that car held the door open for us, and then yelled back at the car to turn the music off because there was a little kid. I smiled and said thank you, and he smiled back and said you're welcome. My daughter said she had to go potty and he laughed.

Polite people are lovely.

It didn't occur to me to ask him to turn the music down, although I recall wincing at the lyrics, but I figured they'd fly over my daughter's head anyway and it wasn't that big a deal. When I was little and almost nobody had a/c in the car, everyone had their windows down and you heard everyone's music.

I usually get out of my car and dance. Act like I'm really into it.
Often, seeing a middle-aged, fat, white chick with no rhythm gyrating to the music is enough to get them to turn it down. If it isn't enough, at least I have amused some people and gotten a little exercise. Ymmv.

What a GREAT idea!

Thank you!

decision by the judge to clear the courtroom while the jury is deliberating. There is concern that the walls are thin and the jury can hear what's being said in the courtroom and vice versa.

in that particular court room and he didn't know if that was the case. Someone had informed him that it had been a problem in other courtrooms in that building. He's just playing it safe.

Could give Dunn an excellent appeal issue.

I think the guilty verdict will be reached today.

A pro-prison-rape joke.

Fun.

I think black lives are viewed as less valuable by many folks. I wouldn't be surprised if he walked.

Imagine if the races were reversed. Dunn would already be serving life without parole.

I would be surprised if the verdict did not come back today (Juries really don't like being sequestered over weekends, especially over a holiday weekend ... except in that Paulie Shore movie).

I'm predicting not guilty of murder or attempted murder; but guilty of one of the lesser charges (related to Davis) and guilty of a lesser charge ... times 3 (related to the other three victims in the car.

O'Mara needs to FOAD

It's a fucking MURDER trial and the idiot whose fate is being deliberated needs to be punished to the fullest extent of the law for what he did.

Jesus.

Everybody here knows what this trial is all about.

I think folks know it's not a trial about loud music and sadly murder trial is not enough to distinguish it from the countless others.

(It's just TV talk)

I read somewhere that witnesses saw him take the gun from his glove compartment.

In my mind that's a special circumstance and should increase the severity of his sentence should he be convicted.

He admitted he kept the gun in the glove box

There are rules involving proximity and he has the 'highest' level. Basically, he could the gun 'one step' from use. I may not have that totally right, but it was brought up during trial.

No special circumstance because he had proper permissions. Therefore, no extra charges (on that front)

or a gun case/lockbox ( doesn't have to be locked) and in a holster then it is legal under FL law. For a while had I keep a firearm in my vehicle. I needed to frequent some pretty bad areas and didn't have a concealed permit. I was stopped by a cop with the gun in the glovebox and he said it was okay. As he explained it to me, there need to be a 3 step process to getting to the gun and firing. So if it was sitting next to me even if in a holster it would be considered illegal.

Remember, there's the one where the crazy, armed fuckwaad killed a kid 'cause he was wearing a hoodie, there's the one where the crazy, armed fuckwad killed a guy over popcorn and there's this one where the crazy, armed fuckwad killed over loud music.

It's the bazaar world in which we live.

maybe this will be a hung jury, but there's a lot of racism, and it's worse in some parts of the state (like Jacksonville).

From what little I've seen of the trial, I'm sure the killer overreacted. He may not have been hunting to shoot someone, but these cowboy types go around looking for an opportunity to get away with a murder. In that sense, he's another Zimmerman. He also must be a liar (if you believe his girlfriend and the witnesses in the car).

Just like Zimmerman, he knows "what to say". I suspect that most of the training to get a weapon permit here is accompanied with exactly what to say when you shoot someone.

And worry it is taking so long.

They have been out too long.

(I know little about the facts of the case. Seems guilty from the little I heard.)

Unless that's already been taken care of?

I think the prosecution has done a good job of showing how pointless and premeditated this crime was.

Gun nuts like Dunn WANT to use that gun. They look for those kinds of confrontations.

the SYG law - you can initiate and escalate a confrontation and then shoot the other party claiming you felt threatened! Because, FREEDOM!

It is not surprise that he killed someone. It was bound to happen sooner or later.

if he didn't have a gun.

But honestly, reminds me of a lot of the posters you might find over at Free Republic. Which is pretty scary.

He comes off as a sad, pathetic, angry and bigoted man.

personify the stereotype.

just go through the evidence.

at least one racist asshole on the jury holding out for acquittal, I would bet

The medical examiner testified that the kid was shot while he was in the car and he had is back turned!

Then Dunn didn't tell his fiance the kid had a gun and he didn't even call the cops after he shot up the car full of kids. He then went back to his hotel to eat pizza and drink.



How the hell can this be a hung jury?

is a threat to mug/rape/murder them.

There's at least one hold out.

If so, that could take some time.

Based on the evidence I've heard, acquittal is just flat out wrong - even worse here than in the Zimmerman case. Acquittal doesn't even seem like a possibility.

and my wife has been watching every second, yes he can be charged with anything from 1st degree murder through involunary manslaughter.

Also, there are three other attempted murder charges stemming from him shooting at the car with the other three young men inside.

"Black Friday" letter, they showed the video of Dunn on the stand talking about it. The clip they showed was about whether Jordan was in or out of the car when Dunn reached for his gun in the glove compartment.

Analyst pointed out that Dunn gave 3 different versions of events - 1 during police interrogation, 1 on the stand and another in the letter. Jury may be analyzing discrepancies in his versions. Also ties in to them wanting to see the dummy again.

still walked...

And Trayvon was "armed with a sidewalk". (Their words, not mine)

So, duh, innocent.

this is taking ENTIRELY TOO LONG! I can't put into words how crazy this makes me. I suppose you can now call me a senior citizen from here, but having been a very activist Boomer I'm truly incensed that a person feels "loud music" is a license to kill.

Geez, I think I still play my music louder than my two kids! And I listen to a lot of today's music and enjoy it.

I can only say that I'm very, very afraid of what kind of message we continue to send if THIS man doesn't get convicted! The law will NEVER get over turned as long as no one ever has to pay!

JMHO!

It's not like you have to count votes! Guilty, 1 first degree murder, 3 counts 1 degree attempted murder. There I wrote it out for them, now somebody print this out and slip it to the jury! Thanks!

These assholes always get away.

The suspense waiting for the jury in that case would have nearly killed me.

And then when the verdict finally came out, the chances are very good I would have destroyed my television.

It was also totally incomprehensible. Felt the same about Casey Anthony's trial. Florida justice!

Not going to speculate what that means, just find it interesting.

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post. Judge just said he will allow deliberation Sat and Sun if necessary.

Expect the unexpected.

18+ Hours of deliberations. Way Way Way past the point of being a rush to judgement.

The evidence is pretty clear IMO.

With each passing hour, I think hung jury or acquittal becomes more and more likely.

Sheesh.

We'll see if he gets convicted, but if not, that would be 3 trials in a row where MANY will think the system has failed.

So either it's the jury system in Florida, or our jury system as a whole, but if this guy is not convicted, something is tragically wrong.

This particular trial was orderly. And if it's a conviction, I don't see anyone complaining about the outcome.

So just quit your bitchin.

I'm free to speculate. It's not like I'm the only one speculating. It's not like I'm the only one saying "Florida." They've been saying it on the news all along. Expect the unexpected.

I hope I'm wrong. But I am thinking hung jury as more time goes by. 19 hours to deliberate this? Worrisome.

latching on to a SYG argument.
SYG needs to re-branded as the Chickenshit defense.
Nothing worse than racist/paranoid/cowards with weapons.

a household full of kids.

The exit wounds went from back to front, no weapon from the victim was found, and Dunn acted like killing someone was just another Tuesday.

What else is there to it?

can deliberate tomorrow or will they be sitting around in the hotel until Tuesday.

tomorrow and even Sunday if needed.

Can they take a 30 minute break? Judge says yes.

Is it possible to not reach verdict on 1 count and reach verdict on other counts. Judge says yes.

Dinner has been ordered in.

Questions from the jury.

Down he fugging goes

But in agreement on others.

Maybe deadlocked on 1st degree, but all agree on 2nd Degree?

Michael must realize that he's screwed on all but one of the charges.

Looks like he'll hopefully be going away for a good long time. 47 years old, so enjoy your time in prison.

assuming he's convicted of course.

I hate it when coward gun nuts are so old and they know they won't spend a lot of time in prison.

Sometimes it makes them even more trigger happy. See the Florida popcorn shooter.

I hope they would be able to call that neighbor as a witness, to testify the comments he had made. That proves motive I think, and should be allowed. It is not heresay, the neighbor heard him say it, and is allowed to testify that.

3 Attempted, 1 2nd Degree Manslaughter, 1 1st Degree.

First degree murder (with lesser included)
3 counts attempted first degree murder (with lesser included)
Hurling missiles (essentially shooting off your gun into someplace that has/could have people in it)

1st Degree Murder
2nd Degree Murder
Manslaughter
3 Attempted Murder
1 Firing At Occupied Vehicle

They would not say Not Guilty on the 4 lesser charges and be hung on 1st. It has to be Guilty on the 4 lower charges, and be deadlocked on the most serious.

The prosecutors, family, and us, lol, will have to go through all this agony again when he is retried for 1st.

worked through dinner.

Hoping this means they are still working on ALL charges and are close to a decision.

quit for the night and go back tomorrow.



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resume tomorrow.

time I returned. Have they been asking for clarification or for more info this afternoon? Hope they are hung up degrees and not acquittal