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kpete

(72,028 posts)
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 10:43 AM Mar 2012

Rep. Terri Proud R-Tucson e-mail: Make Women-‘Watch An Abortion Being Performed’ Prior To Having It'

Women Should ‘Watch An Abortion Being Performed’ Prior To Having It

An opponent of HB 2036 e-mailed her lawmakers to voice her opinion. The Tucson reader shared the response from Rep. Terri Proud, R-Tucson. The reader called the e-mail "most inappropriate for someone who makes policy decisions for women in this state."

The e-mail, which has not been edited, said:


"Personally I'd like to make a law that mandates a woman watch an abortion being performed prior to having a "surgical procedure". If it's not a life it shouldn't matter, if it doesn't harm a woman then she shouldn't care, and don't we want more transparency and education in the medical profession anyway? We demand it everywhere else.

Until the dead child can tell me that she/he does not feel any pain - I have no intentions of clearing the conscience of the living - I will be voting YES."


http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/PoliticalInsider/157762?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/03/21/448772/arizona-lawmaker-women-should-watch-an-abortion-being-performed-prior-to-having-it/

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Rep. Terri Proud R-Tucson e-mail: Make Women-‘Watch An Abortion Being Performed’ Prior To Having It' (Original Post) kpete Mar 2012 OP
He's doing exactly what all republicans should be doing. Turbineguy Mar 2012 #1
It's a she actually. hifiguy Mar 2012 #3
Yeah I spotted that later. Turbineguy Mar 2012 #18
Any surgical procedure not performed with hifiguy Mar 2012 #2
That's what I want to know Aerows Mar 2012 #4
Because of fears of retaliation TrogL Mar 2012 #9
Not to mention the occasional bullet n/t JHB Mar 2012 #19
Agreed. We need some courageous doctors to fight this crap. n/t DLevine Mar 2012 #5
Don't hold your breath. BlueIris Mar 2012 #14
I assisted with them as a nursing student in the 70's Mojorabbit Mar 2012 #23
Wonder how she'd like to watch "The Silent Scream". woodsprite Mar 2012 #26
I have and it looks exactly like any other medical procedure. The woman having sinkingfeeling Mar 2012 #6
Less dangerous unless it is performed with a coat hanger, an outcome of anti-abortion laws. Why not vanbean Mar 2012 #11
Exactly. If they expect women to make decisions by watching something, sinkingfeeling Mar 2012 #22
WTF is wrong with these idiots?? Sociopaths the whole lot of 'em! Initech Mar 2012 #7
Watch a c-section prior to having sex (getting pg) without birth control available.... Sheepshank Mar 2012 #8
Ewwww, I almost lost my lunch when I saw a c-section on one of those woodsprite Mar 2012 #28
GOP women are traitors to women everywhere catbyte Mar 2012 #10
and it should be done in 'a clockwork orange' fashion.. frylock Mar 2012 #12
Everyday ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2012 #13
These misogynists are a cancer on society. BlueIris Mar 2012 #15
Who are the performers in all these public viewings? Would that be legalized porn? appleannie1 Mar 2012 #16
see # 20. They're trying to make certain seasonal jobs full-time. JHB Mar 2012 #21
Even my very Catholic parents are horrified by the War on Women Marrah_G Mar 2012 #17
In addition to the amply-justified outrage expressed above... JHB Mar 2012 #20
So- perform an actual abortion in front of some who is contemplating having one.... LeftinOH Mar 2012 #24
I think they should make people watch a baby being *made*. That would really make 'em think twice... AzDar Mar 2012 #25
She ought to be ashamed KamaAina Mar 2012 #27
I'd like to watch her getting a trans-vaginal probe sonogram IcyPeas Mar 2012 #29

Turbineguy

(37,374 posts)
1. He's doing exactly what all republicans should be doing.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 10:45 AM
Mar 2012

Convincing people to vote them out of office.

Turbineguy

(37,374 posts)
18. Yeah I spotted that later.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 12:36 PM
Mar 2012

I guess my prejudices as a man made it seem impossible that a woman would support this.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
2. Any surgical procedure not performed with
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 10:46 AM
Mar 2012

an arthroscope can be pretty gruesome. What a disgusting reichwing shitbag. Why aren't doctors going six kinds of batshit about these shoeless goobers telling them how to practice medicine??

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
4. That's what I want to know
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 10:49 AM
Mar 2012

Why aren't more physicians defending their right to practice medicine? Why aren't these lawmakers being charged with performing medicine with out a license, because that's what they are trying to do.

TrogL

(32,822 posts)
9. Because of fears of retaliation
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 11:20 AM
Mar 2012

...in the form of lost hospital privileges, bogus lawsuits or red tape.

BlueIris

(29,135 posts)
14. Don't hold your breath.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 12:06 PM
Mar 2012

'Courageous' is not a word I would use to describe any doctor I have ever met.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
23. I assisted with them as a nursing student in the 70's
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 01:05 PM
Mar 2012

It was part of the ob gyn rotation. It was a vacuum procedure http://women.webmd.com/manual-and-vacuum-aspiration-for-abortion
that was used and it was not bloody nor gruesome.
Someone watching it would probably think it was pretty benign so I think she has no idea what she is talking about..
I think she is buying into right wing descriptions of late term abortions of which I have no experience.

woodsprite

(11,931 posts)
26. Wonder how she'd like to watch "The Silent Scream".
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 02:06 PM
Mar 2012

I remember that have some blood involved and body parts, but I supposed it could have been faked to make it more dramatic. I can remember having watch that in Philosophy class. Then the prof had a debate with himself pro vs con on abortion, to prove that you COULD debate both sides of an issue successfully. That was back in '83 or so.

sinkingfeeling

(51,482 posts)
6. I have and it looks exactly like any other medical procedure. The woman having
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 11:07 AM
Mar 2012

it is awake and aware. She is covered from the waist down with a sheet and in the same position that she is whenever she has a gyn examine her. There is a tray of sterilized metal instruments and a small machine that removes debris via suction.

Maybe while women are being 'forced' to watch an abortion, they can also watch a live birth. I'm pretty sure, the abortion is less 'messy' and easier to stomach.

And the live birth is far more dangerous than the abortion.

vanbean

(990 posts)
11. Less dangerous unless it is performed with a coat hanger, an outcome of anti-abortion laws. Why not
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 11:48 AM
Mar 2012

have lawmakers watch both kinds of abortion, and then pick one.

sinkingfeeling

(51,482 posts)
22. Exactly. If they expect women to make decisions by watching something,
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 12:51 PM
Mar 2012

then they should have to view both the birth and abortion.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
8. Watch a c-section prior to having sex (getting pg) without birth control available....
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 11:17 AM
Mar 2012

.....lets see how many men like that outcome.

woodsprite

(11,931 posts)
28. Ewwww, I almost lost my lunch when I saw a c-section on one of those
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 02:10 PM
Mar 2012

reality doc shows. I was fresh out of the hospital after having had our daughter (by c-section) and hubby said "Oh, THAT'S what they took out and laid on your stomach".

catbyte

(34,485 posts)
10. GOP women are traitors to women everywhere
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 11:39 AM
Mar 2012


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frylock

(34,825 posts)
12. and it should be done in 'a clockwork orange' fashion..
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 11:56 AM
Mar 2012

with the patient strapped down, lids propped open.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
13. Everyday ...
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 11:57 AM
Mar 2012

I am prouder and prouder to call Arizona my home!

Hey Terry ... How about making all of your Raytheon co-workers watch a film of died and dismembered people, no ... children, as a result of the missiles they build.

Better, how about you being forced to watch a film detailing the horrors of a foster care and/or child protective system gone wrong, before you write another piece of legislation restricting access to family planning.

BlueIris

(29,135 posts)
15. These misogynists are a cancer on society.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 12:07 PM
Mar 2012

Punishing women is their number one priority. The one quoted here seems to have no other purpose in life.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
17. Even my very Catholic parents are horrified by the War on Women
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 12:33 PM
Mar 2012

I think the Republicans and the Catholic church have jumped the shark and both are driving rational people away in droves. I have a feeling that in November, the race will not be anywhere in the ballpark of "close".

JHB

(37,163 posts)
20. In addition to the amply-justified outrage expressed above...
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 12:43 PM
Mar 2012

...I have to wonder: isn't he ignoring the that the reaction after watching could be "Is that all?"

Or is this a jobs program for enactors of those fundy halloween-substitute "Devil's House" delusions, where they indulge their most gruesome fantasies to "teach" that unauthorized sex is badbadbad?

LeftinOH

(5,359 posts)
24. So- perform an actual abortion in front of some who is contemplating having one....
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 01:46 PM
Mar 2012

which means that there still would need to be abortions --for the purpose of "educating"? Or, does she mean that a videotaped procedure should be shown to patients? She didn't seem to address that. Significant omission of details there, IMO. Maybe just screwy logic.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
25. I think they should make people watch a baby being *made*. That would really make 'em think twice...
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 01:55 PM
Mar 2012

So filthy and sinful and messy...is it hot in here? BRB!

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