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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 09:40 AM Feb 2014

Everyone on the Paula Deen cruise was racist, apparently

Last edited Sat Feb 15, 2014, 01:02 PM - Edit history (2)

In the wake of Titanic-sized PR disaster that was Paula Deen's deposition in 2013, a New Jersey-based company doubled down on the much-maligned celebu-chef, adding a second Paula Deen-themed cruise for her fans and supporters.

The ship left from Miami and hit a bunch of spots in the Eastern Caribbean. Of the 3,030 people that could fit on the ship, 100 and change were a part of the Paula Deen package, having spent an extra $700 to be included in 12 events featuring and/or sponsored by Deen herself.

Among the Deen cruisers was Caity Weaver, a Philly girl and Gawker reporter who wanted to see exactly how racist the folks on the Paula Deen cruise would be.

Turns out, pretty racist.

In her essentially eternal profile of the Deen cruise, Weaver lists everything she ate on the cruise, lists every place she heard someone say the N-word, and describes her interaction with a number of different folks she met on her trip, most of whom are older widows from the American South.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/trending/Everyone-on-the-Paula-Deen-cruise-was-racist-apparently.html

The original story, if you want to avoid philly.com's overrun with racists comments section:

http://gawker.com/gravy-boat-my-week-on-the-high-seas-with-paula-deen-an-1522108382

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Everyone on the Paula Deen cruise was racist, apparently (Original Post) onehandle Feb 2014 OP
I'm not surprised in the least nt MrScorpio Feb 2014 #1
"Everyone on the boat is racist and nice" jsr Feb 2014 #2
Well worth JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #11
Oh, geez, I was just about to eat a late breakfast proReality Feb 2014 #15
I am not surprised Gothmog Feb 2014 #3
I'll just toss in the link to the original article M0rpheus Feb 2014 #4
it's fantastic eShirl Feb 2014 #5
This tells me much more about asjr Feb 2014 #8
that's what I like about it eShirl Feb 2014 #9
Great review! Cracklin Charlie Feb 2014 #20
Thanks! What bothered me next was Deen's application for a 501(c) Ilsa Feb 2014 #14
That article sums up the kind of discomfort one feels living in the South. LuvNewcastle Feb 2014 #16
~This~ is why i rarely go 'home'... Rhythm Feb 2014 #32
The responses to the linked piece in the Philadelphia publication are uniformly, stunningly, racist. Squinch Feb 2014 #6
Watching racists defend racism... Thor_MN Feb 2014 #19
Philly.com's comments are overrun by racists in the Philly burbs and from New Jersey. onehandle Feb 2014 #21
Well, you know the South, it's full of racists Fumesucker Feb 2014 #26
South Philly, that is... Squinch Feb 2014 #29
"The Grill Sergeants, a cooking show that debuted on the Pentagon Channel in 2007..." muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #7
nope! eShirl Feb 2014 #10
I keep forgetting you don't live here. Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #23
I hear Paula Deen makes great toast. Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 #12
The full Weaver: marble falls Feb 2014 #13
Why is this has been old witch a topic of conversation? proudretiredvet Feb 2014 #17
Ummm... what? nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2014 #24
It's totally relevant. Nitram Feb 2014 #27
Some are surely giving her attention but it was not me. proudretiredvet Feb 2014 #28
Dude, she was indulging in a bit of poetic escapism. Nitram Feb 2014 #30
Nono...you're not understanding durablend Feb 2014 #18
The original article is excellent! Nitram Feb 2014 #22
"most of whom are older widows from the American South" bvar22 Feb 2014 #25
The popularity of this story has kept it 'trending' on the front page of philly.com for 3 days. onehandle Feb 2014 #31

jsr

(7,712 posts)
2. "Everyone on the boat is racist and nice"
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 09:46 AM
Feb 2014
http://gawker.com/gravy-boat-my-week-on-the-high-seas-with-paula-deen-an-1522108382


Every participant in the Deen Family Lawn Olympics receives a red silicone Paula Deen spatula set, and also the image of Paula Deen's legging-clad rump stretching up to kiss the sun, burned into his or her brain forever.

proReality

(1,628 posts)
15. Oh, geez, I was just about to eat a late breakfast
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 11:52 AM
Feb 2014

and now I've lost my appetite. I hope that photo haunts her the rest of her life.

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
3. I am not surprised
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 09:58 AM
Feb 2014

The only reason to attend this event would be a chance for these racists to be among their own kind

M0rpheus

(885 posts)
4. I'll just toss in the link to the original article
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 09:59 AM
Feb 2014

Gravy Boat: My Week on the High Seas With Paula Deen and Friends
http://gawker.com/gravy-boat-my-week-on-the-high-seas-with-paula-deen-an-1522108382

It's much better to read the actual article. There's quite a bit of nuance there.

The story includes the "everyday racism" of the cruisers (one except here), but there is more to it.

A man at the table, who is traveling alone, argues with me about the alleged offensiveness of the N-word.

"They use that word to each other," he says, meaning black people. "It's in their music."

I suggest to him that there is a difference between a black person saying it to another black person and a white person saying it to a black person, comparing the circumstances (admittedly, not very convincingly) to the difference between telling a self-deprecating joke about oneself and being subject to mockery from others.

"Don't you think that's a double standard?" he asks.

Sure.

"And you're OK with that," he says. (It's not a question.)

This man is one of the very few first-time Deen cruisers who admits to booking the trip as a show of support for Paula; when asked directly, most people suggest they just felt like booking their very first Paula Deen cruise this year out of the blue, for no reason. The gentleman at my table rattles off a list of companies he stopped supporting when they ceased their partnerships with Deen.


The whole article is worth a read...

eShirl

(18,494 posts)
5. it's fantastic
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 10:03 AM
Feb 2014
There are outliers. I quickly make friends with an alpha from South Dakota who first becomes dismayed at the trip's lack of organization the morning of the shuttle bus and remains that way for approximately 2,126 nautical miles. She is fond of peering warily at the gray-haired men and women crowding Deck 14 near the complimentary hot dog and hamburger grill and observing in incredulous tones that she and I are "the youngest ones on this boat," which, though she is my senior by more than 30 years, is technically true, if you limit the sample to passengers who have paid to sail as part of the Paula Deen cabal. Her husband, a ramrod straight-standing white-haired man recently retired from a government job, demonstrates a unique talent for being able to stare out at the horizon without moving or speaking for hours at a time. I spend the next few days considering his inner monologue, wondering exactly what I am watching him see. (Eventually I settle on: himself, in his younger days, discreetly killing people.) I like the South Dakotans a lot.

eShirl

(18,494 posts)
9. that's what I like about it
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 10:25 AM
Feb 2014

I'm grooving on her writing

I originally clicked to read about the racism angle of the cruise, but found much more than that -- a writer whose work I am enjoying, and would likely enjoy regardless of subject

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
14. Thanks! What bothered me next was Deen's application for a 501(c)
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 11:42 AM
Feb 2014

declaration for her Bag Lady "charity" mentioned halfway down the page. More than half of the money is going to salaries and "consulting fees".

That failed auction including her husband's dirty shirt was hysterical!

What a freaking SCAM!

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
16. That article sums up the kind of discomfort one feels living in the South.
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 11:57 AM
Feb 2014

It's just how I feel when I'm around my parents and their friends. They're all very nice and you want to be nice back, but they say and do some of the most hideous things.

That cruise is my worst nightmare. I think I would really like to know the reporter personally, but she is seriously twisted for even going on that cruise from hell. I would've been at the bar the entire time. The fact that the reporter was able to go through that whole cruise and keep it straight for a week says a lot about her abilities. I think she's ready for a war zone.

Rhythm

(5,435 posts)
32. ~This~ is why i rarely go 'home'...
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 09:21 AM
Feb 2014
It's just how I feel when I'm around my parents and their friends. They're all very nice and you want to be nice back, but they say and do some of the most hideous things.


My mother is ~exactly~ like that...
very nice, pleasant, church-on-Sunday kind of older lady (she's almost 70) if you deal with her in-passing.

But some of the casually-racist/bigoted things that spew forth from her without her giving it a second-thought are positively appalling.

To be fair, in my case i know what i'm in for. This is the same woman who -- when i was in 12th grade -- ordered my friend Eddie out of the house when she came home from work early as we were rehearsing a comedic skit for drama class; Mom could't decide if she was more offended by the fact that there was a *gasp* African-American in her home (she used the n-word when telling me to get him out of her house), or the fact that he was fabulously gay!

Needless to say, she and i don't talk much...
I am the antithesis of everything she is.
 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
19. Watching racists defend racism...
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 12:12 PM
Feb 2014

How can responses to an article in what defines itself a Philadelphia web site be so consistently racist? Is there an editor culling out responses that call out those that are making onto the page?

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
21. Philly.com's comments are overrun by racists in the Philly burbs and from New Jersey.
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 12:58 PM
Feb 2014

The N word is the most commonly used slur.

Smarter trolls use 'urban', 'ghetto,' etc to prevent deletion.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
7. "The Grill Sergeants, a cooking show that debuted on the Pentagon Channel in 2007..."
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 10:16 AM
Feb 2014

"...and ran for three seasons (funded by the Department of Defense)"



WTF (a): There's a 'Pentagon Channel'
WTF (b): It has cooking shows
WTF (c): This is funded by the DoD
WTF (d): It ran for 3 seasons.

Time to look at Wikipedia:

The Grill Sergeants: The Grill Sergeants teach audience members how to prepare food while the in-house Army jazz quartet “The Taste Buds,” play the show's score.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon_Channel


This is all a hoax, isn't it?
 

proudretiredvet

(312 posts)
17. Why is this has been old witch a topic of conversation?
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 12:02 PM
Feb 2014

I don't know anyone who likes her or who ever watched her on TV.

How does this writer get to the point of saying that an elderly quiet man who is standing and watching the ocean is somehow contemplating people he has killed.

It must be a slow news week. If this writer can't come up with more than her speculation about a persons thoughts, which she has no way of knowing, then she just wasted an entire week of her time. Then I wasted a few minutes of my time reading this. Damn I'm mad at me.

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
27. It's totally relevant.
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 03:09 PM
Feb 2014

Any serious and honest discussion of race in America deserves consideration. Don't be fooled by the author's understated approach, her great sense of humor or her self-daprecatory remarks. There's a lot to think about here, not the least of which is the steps a TV personality can take to rehabilitate herself in the public's eye once she's been outed as a racist, such as "palling around" with a few carefully-chosen representatives of the race in question.

 

proudretiredvet

(312 posts)
28. Some are surely giving her attention but it was not me.
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 03:21 PM
Feb 2014

No, my main disgust with this article was that without any communication the writer's presumption that she knew what a quiet elderly man was contemplating. That is pure and utter BS. But I guess some thrive on this type of stereotyping and bigotry.
Please, using fact, provable, testable fact, tell me how the hell she possibly could know this bit of information.
When she made that jump in her creative literature she put herself and her article in the same category as her main subject. Irrelevant to anything important.

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
30. Dude, she was indulging in a bit of poetic escapism.
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 02:14 AM
Feb 2014

She was not making an accusation, she was indulging in a bit of imaginative thought. Notice she says she like the South Dakotans a lot. Irony a little? Lighten up, she is trying to approach a sensitive subject with bait of humor and playfulness.

durablend

(7,460 posts)
18. Nono...you're not understanding
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 12:02 PM
Feb 2014

CLEARLY everyone ELSE is racist for even thinking the people on the cruise are racist!

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
22. The original article is excellent!
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 12:59 PM
Feb 2014

Caity has a great sense of humor, and quite a bit of insight. Not nasty at all, but a few good questions are delicately raised.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
25. "most of whom are older widows from the American South"
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 02:54 PM
Feb 2014

After signing the Civil Rights Act, LBJ said that the Democratic Party would lose the South for a generation.
THAT generation is OVER.

Thanks to the Internet and Sat TV,
the monopoly over the minds of the children once held by Preachers and Parents has been broken.
The younger generations are Plugged In, and the old prejudices born of ignorance and isolation are retreating.
Still a long way to go, but after moving to the Deep Red Rural South in 2006, I have been pleasantly surprised by how open minded the kids are compared to 30 years ago.

The Old South is Ripe-for-the-Picking if the Democratic Party would spend some money down here.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
31. The popularity of this story has kept it 'trending' on the front page of philly.com for 3 days.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 08:30 AM
Feb 2014

The comments were so overrun by racist trolls that they had to cut them off.

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