Might get six old white males, no women and no black people. The Zimmerman jury was a 6 person jury, and there weren't any black people on it. This jury has 12 and there's 2.
Better to have more jurors, just for demographics sake.

... to just assume that everyone will automatically vote according to skin color.

They even put it into the Constitution.
I never said everyone would automatically vote based on skin color. You said that.
All white jury's convict innocen black men all the time. All white juries free guilty non black men all the time. Sentencing for blacks is longer than whites. Blacks are stopped by police more often for no reason than whites.


Racism in America is a Tradition. Stop acting brand new, it's getting old.

communities to be expected.

There are really no repercussions if a jury trial ends that way.


Tikki

I'm the one who is in the wrong somehow.

Somehow our progressive cry should be "Don't Look Away, Don't Move On, There is Something To See Here."



Tikki

Something is wrong here, and I know it. So do they.

This is mr gen. She can't watch it. I'm glued to the tv. She woould say the same thing. Amen

Tell her I said hi, and stay strong.

Nice to meet you Mr.Gen, I've read great things about you. We see eye to eye on some issues from what I hear.

Makes me sick.

how fun is this. even more fun if you didnt let us know. then we can be all over.... dual personality.

what a blast. good for you. keep it up.

As he puts my new vacuum cleaner together. The little rascal!

fwiw

I was just stating how there were no black people on the 6 person jury.

Ironically he will go to jail over the three kids he didn't kill.

Thanks.

'The jurors might come back hung on the first degree-murder charge — asserting that Dunn’s choice to kill Davis was premeditated — in which case, Dunn can potentially be retried.

If the jury is hung on the first-degree murder charge, Dunn could still face up to 60 years in prison, Coffee said.

But if Dunn is found guilty on all counts, he faces life in prison. Prosecutors have said they would not pursue the death penalty.'

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jury-decides-four-five-counts-loud-music-murder-trial-n31231

If it was self defense then there was no attempted murder of the others. More like reckless endangerment or something.

If it was not self defense then the murder charge is far firmer than the attempteds.

The jury had specifically asked if self defense was a separate issue for each person, and the judge said yes. They could convict on attempted murders for the others even if they felt the murder was actually self defense.

There were three separate volleys of shots. The first volley was directly at Davis. The second volley was after the car started leaving the scene (retreating) that were shot into the car and a third that was shot at the back of the car while it was further in retreat. That seems to be exactly what the jurors were trying to clarify with their self-defense questions, and in the discussion between the judge and the attorneys about how to answer those questions they talk about this saying that the three separate volleys of shots were separate actions with separate circumstances. There is no self-defense when the alleged attackers are in retreat...

other anchors and lawyers they say presume Dunn innocent because he was afraid. CNN

aka Prejudiced

we should presume he is innocent because he was afraid he rode up on the young men and heard loud music...KISS MY ASS ASHLEIGH BANFIELD!

but FUCK ASHLEIGH BANFIELD!

remember which one) said - if you are that afraid why would you let your girlfriend even get out of the car? Why wouldn't you just leave and find another store?

I don't see how anybody could buy the idea that he was afraid for his life. His behavior just doesn't support the claim. I think that he was drunk and pissed off (he had only seen his son three times in the last 15 years before attending his son's wedding and probably was not welcomed as a great father and, on top of it, he gave the boys a command and he was not obeyed).

and just didn't feel safe....as a single woman who carries, I still know just to drive away..

When you are afraid, you leave. Drive off. Go away.

Sounds to me like he was drunk and pissed and took it out on some random guy who was just hanging out with his friends.

Loud music? An SUV?

Nah, he was afraid because they were black. He stereotyped 'thugs'. END.OF.STORY.

Nothing more thugish than opening fire on a vehicle and driving away without a call to the cops. Kinda like gangs do. The SYG gangs...coming to all of Florida.

He was angry that someone who he considers a lesser human being and beneath him had the gaul to not obey him and even talk back to him. He was NEVER afraid. He was ANGRY. Hence the one independent witness that heard him say "you aren't going to talk to me that way" just before getting his gun.

It was him that started the confrontation by "asking" them to turn down the radio.

it will be a disgrace. There is more than enough evidence to convict on Murder 2. Maybe some of them couldn't convince one or two of M1, but M2 was there.

If found guilty on the other charges, he still dies in prison and the state will go back with the murder charge.

However, I may join in all the others asking what the fuck is wrong with the justice system in Florida.

that the jury is paying very,very,close attention to detail.

If that is so then they know he was lying his ass off. So,If they come back with not guilty,I can only think of one thing, dare I say the word.

life in prison? I believe he is guilty as hell of all charges, but if they aren't seeking the death penalty and he will do life anyway, is it really necessary? I suppose if the sentence gives him a chance of parole down the road. I don't know if it's a problem with the justice system in Florida. It seems to be more of a problem of not being able to weed out all the stupid racist assholes in a jury pool in Florida. It is good to know this one is going away for a very long time, though.

The jury instructions warrant Murder 1 giving as little as one second for a reasonable person to consider their actions, and I can see how there may be a split with some believing they have to go by the letter of the law with others just unable to not believing that a split second is long enough. I've thought all along that the premeditation aspect of this case was going to be the most difficult for the jury, and I still think that it is.

There isn't anything wrong with the justice system in Florida as it's basically the same system in every other state. It's how the various people involved whether a judge or an attorney or a juror or anyone else involved uses that system.

As for dying in prison if convicted on the attempted murder charges, I wouldn't be so sure of that. How often does a convicted person actually DO the time that they're given but get out early with good behavior or parole having done only a fraction of that time?

I REALLY hope that the jury doesn't hang on the murder charge. Historically, retrials result in lesser charges or even acquittals. I'll be far happier if they can agree on a lesser included charge concerning Davis rather than hang on that charge.

Is there one charge of murder with the possiblity of the verdict being one of 2 different degrees?

a white guy for killing someone of color.

nothing will change their minds on that.

does anyone really think the same exact cases with the races switched would not have resulted in a quick guilty ?

She charged murder 1 and I'm happy she did. We got a more diverse jury than if she had lowered the charges and got stuck with a 6 person jury like with Zimmerman. She ain't the best but she ain't the worst either. She works in a former slave state, and it's hard to navigate the mentality of some people who can't let go of the past.

the state is not full of racists.

the defense makes sure to try to get as many racists on the jury as they can. i believe the state did try to get that juror 37 in the zimmerman trial off the case but were not able to.

who don't push the race issue when it does apply. I think that the prosecutors had a lot of material that they, for some reason, didn't use. They allowed the victim to be put on trial - again. They needed to focus on what Dunn did do and what he didn't do. They tend to allow the defense attorneys exert to much influence on how the case is perceived by the jurors. Prosecute the defendants not the victims.

as we see from those on DU .

a racist is not going to give a shit that a white guy shot someone just because they were black. in fact they would cheer it on and think it should be legal.

goes back to emmett till. there was an asian student who was also killed by a white guy in a similar way and white guy was let go because a racist jury does not think a white guy should go to prison for such things.

character into play that opened the door for the prosecution to introduce the jail letters which would have proved that he had an agenda. For crying out loud, he wrote that more blacks should be killed. That would certainly go to show that he was not in fear for his life. There was a lot that the prosecution could have presented in rebuttal that would have shot the claim "I was in fear for my life" full of holes like swiss cheese. Once destroy the claim of fear for my life, it becomes a lot easier to gain the conviction.

is fucking guilty.

the only thing that is standing in the way of getting that verdict are those who think white guys should be allowed to kill people of color without punishment.