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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 07:08 AM Feb 2014

Are We Watching the GOP on the Verge of Collapse?

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/are-we-watching-gop-verge-collapse


Mark Twain wrote that “history doesn’t repeat itself, but it does rhyme.” For the Republican Party, 2014 may end up sounding a whole lot like 150 years ago, and we might be seeing the end of the conservative party, as we know it.

In 1864, prior to the end of the Civil War, a faction of radical Republicans believed President Lincoln was incompetent, and therefore unelectable. These anti-abolition extremists broke away from the establishment under the name Radical Democracy Party, while Lincoln and establishment Republicans created the National Union Party with the intent of attracting War Democrats and Border State Unionists who would not have ordinarily voted for the Republican Party.

The party nominated incumbent President Lincoln alongside a Democrat - Andrew Johnson. The rebranded establishment ticket went on to win the 1864 election in a landslide, and the radicals were brought back to the fold under the Republican Party brand shortly thereafter.

This week, the Tea Party aligned Senate Conservatives Fund called on House Republicans to force out Speaker John Boehner in an email that read, “Unless we install a new leader who will actually go on offense, Democrats will never fear us and we will never have any leverage.”
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Are We Watching the GOP on the Verge of Collapse? (Original Post) xchrom Feb 2014 OP
Because Turbineguy Feb 2014 #1
Yes. randome Feb 2014 #2
Elected Democrats won't let that happen MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #3
! xchrom Feb 2014 #5
True. Can't play good cop/bad cop without a bad cop. QC Feb 2014 #9
Hope so.. butterfly77 Feb 2014 #4
No. Not at all. PeteSelman Feb 2014 #6
Doubtful. As long as the district system and electoral college exist, there will be a GOP. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #7
Hardly. Goldwater's defeat, anyone? WinkyDink Feb 2014 #8
Although I would LOVE for this to be true ... zbdent Feb 2014 #10
Maybe, but I've been thinking this was going to happen for years now. CanonRay Feb 2014 #11
I am hoping that the GOP will fall apart Gothmog Feb 2014 #12
If Shrub couldn't kill it One_Life_To_Give Feb 2014 #13
No. However... OmahaBlueDog Feb 2014 #14
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
2. Yes.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 07:25 AM
Feb 2014

After McCain/Palin and Romney/Ryan, a clear pattern emerges. No one is steering the clown car, it just keeps circling the ring.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
3. Elected Democrats won't let that happen
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 07:28 AM
Feb 2014

They need a crazy Republican Party as part of their "who the #%^* else ya gonna vote for, chumps?" strategy.

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
6. No. Not at all.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 07:53 AM
Feb 2014

They have the house in perpetuity and are on the verge of having the Senate this year. They might not ever get the Presidency but things will never get better then they are now.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
7. Doubtful. As long as the district system and electoral college exist, there will be a GOP.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 07:54 AM
Feb 2014

If the system were altered to be purely proportional, the GOP as we know it would collapse in a decade.

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
10. Although I would LOVE for this to be true ...
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 08:22 AM
Feb 2014

today's "liberally-biased media" will most certainly crank up the polishing of the turds to a bright, shiny, mirror-like finish.

I remember the "death" of the Repugs ... 2006, 2008, 2012 ...

or the "death" of the Dems ... 2000, 2002, 2004, 2010 ...

Gothmog

(145,479 posts)
12. I am hoping that the GOP will fall apart
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 03:26 PM
Feb 2014

One problem is that the Tea Party realizes that it has to be part of the GOP to have any power and the rest of the GOP is not willing to break away. I think that there may be a breaking point at some point but it is going to take some major electoral defeats to force the issue.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
13. If Shrub couldn't kill it
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 03:44 PM
Feb 2014

probably not much going to put that Zombie down.

Seriously they were being compared to the Whigs just a few years ago. This is starting to sound like another Twain quote "rumors of my death..."

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
14. No. However...
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 04:08 PM
Feb 2014

We are probably witnessing both parties on the verge of reinvention, and very possibly the framework for a third party to emerge.

In the wake of 2008, the GOP created "The Tea Party" as a gimmick. It was designed to be a protest to the outcome in 2008, and an advocate for less tax and less government. It developed a life of its own. Flash forward to 2014. The "Tea party" has come to represent a brand of ultra-conservative American that no frequently chastises the GOP for not being conservative enough. They are so conservative that they have forced pro-business moderates like Charlie Crist and Michael Bloomberg out of the Republican party. This wing of the Republican party plays well in rural and some parts of suburban America, but is completely out of step with most urban Americans.

On the other side are the Democrats. A sizable portion of the party supports the President and supports Hillary Clinton in 2016. However, the activist wing that emerged in the wake of the Iraq/Afghanistan wars (and which, ironically, was the driving force behind the election of Barack Obama) wants to convince Elizabeth Warren to run against Hillary Clinton in the primaries. How this plays out is yet to be seen.

Even without Bridgegate, Christie was not a slam dunk for the GOP nomination. Tea Party activity's will point to Mitt Romney as an example of just what happens when you put a "moderate" Republican in front of the electorate. They will argue for someone more in the mold of Ted Cruz or Sarah Palin. Activist Dems are making much the same argument from the other side of the political spectrum for Warren.

What may emerge is a centrist party that would serve as a home for Charlie Crist, Mary Landrieux, Michael Bloomberg, Joe Manchin, et. al. This party would represent people who want to balance budgets and limit government, but who don't want to turn the clock back pre-New Deal. This would also represent people who favor a more economically conservative approach, but who don't buy into the social conservatism embraced by the Palin/Cruz wing of the party.

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