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struggle4progress

(118,285 posts)
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 02:44 AM Feb 2014

Don't underestimate ordinary people

I wandered into a convenience store tonight

The clerk, twenty or thirty, and a much older woman, holding a handful of lottery tickets, were chatting amiably

Their topic? Global warming

I stood and listened a bit

What I heard was all along the lines, "People might think after this last cold snap that there wasn't any global warming, but that's not right because it actually affects the whole global circulation"

Maybe I shouldn't be surprised

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Don't underestimate ordinary people (Original Post) struggle4progress Feb 2014 OP
Maybe the word is finally getting around. defacto7 Feb 2014 #1
Personally I don't think there is such a thing as ordinary Armstead Feb 2014 #2
+ struggle4progress Feb 2014 #4
Made me think about "The Wisdom of Crowds." reusrename Feb 2014 #10
Wow! Smart.. in the know! Snap! Cha Feb 2014 #3
! struggle4progress Feb 2014 #5
It was kinda Cha Feb 2014 #6
It's nice 2naSalit Feb 2014 #7
OMZ! Cha Feb 2014 #8
I just figured that 2naSalit Feb 2014 #9

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
1. Maybe the word is finally getting around.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 02:56 AM
Feb 2014

The recognition of FOX news as a joke is the beginning of wisdom.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
2. Personally I don't think there is such a thing as ordinary
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:08 AM
Feb 2014

We're all smart in some ways, stupid in others and so-so in many others.

It forms an endlessly complex entity known as Society.

The sum total of all the decisions and actions (or non-actions) determine the intelligence and success of that Society.

Sometimes the balance seems headed towrds a positive direction. Other times just the opposite.

My brain now hurts from my philosophical rambling.

 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
10. Made me think about "The Wisdom of Crowds."
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:25 AM
Feb 2014

Here's an excerpt, rather long, but interesting:

As it happens, the possibilities of group intelligence, at least when it came to judging questions of fact, were demonstrated by a host of experiments conducted by American sociologists and psychologists between 1920 and the mid-1950s, the heyday of research into group dynamics. Although in general, as we'll see, the bigger the crowd the better, the groups in most of these early experiments—which for some reason remained relatively unknown outside of academia—were relatively small. Yet they nonetheless performed very well. The Columbia sociologist Hazel Knight kicked things off with a series of studies in the early 1920s, the first of which had the virtue of simplicity. In that study Knight asked the students in her class to estimate the room's temperature, and then took a simple average of the estimates. The group guessed 72.4 degrees, while the actual temperature was 72 degrees. This was not, to be sure, the most auspicious beginning, since classroom temperatures are so stable that it's hard to imagine a class's estimate being too far off base. But in the years that followed, far more convincing evidence emerged, as students and soldiers across America were subjected to a barrage of puzzles, intelligence tests, and word games. The sociologist Kate H. Gordon asked two hundred students to rank items by weight, and found that the group's "estimate" was 94 percent accurate, which was better than all but five of the individual guesses. In another experiment students were asked to look at ten piles of buckshot—each a slightly different size than the rest—that had been glued to a piece of white cardboard, and rank them by size. This time, the group's guess was 94.5 percent accurate. A classic demonstration of group intelligence is the jelly-beans-in-the-jar experiment, in which invariably the group's estimate is superior to the vast majority of the individual guesses. When finance professor Jack Treynor ran the experiment in his class with a jar that held 850 beans, the group estimate was 871. Only one of the fifty-six people in the class made a better guess.

There are two lessons to draw from these experiments. First, in most of them the members of the group were not talking to each other or working on a problem together. They were making individual guesses, which were aggregated and then averaged. This is exactly what Galton did, and it is likely to produce excellent results. (In a later chapter, we'll see how having members interact changes things, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse.) Second, the group's guess will not be better than that of every single person in the group each time. In many (perhaps most) cases, there will be a few people who do better than the group. This is, in some sense, a good thing, since especially in situations where there is an incentive for doing well (like, say, the stock market) it gives people reason to keep participating. But there is no evidence in these studies that certain people consistently outperform the group. In other words, if you run ten different jelly-bean-counting experiments, it's likely that each time one or two students will outperform the group. But they will not be the same students each time. Over the ten experiments, the group's performance will almost certainly be the best possible. The simplest way to get reliably good answers is just to ask the group each time.

Cha

(297,248 posts)
3. Wow! Smart.. in the know! Snap!
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:17 AM
Feb 2014

Last edited Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:09 AM - Edit history (1)

That reminds me.. I had a good short conversation today with somebody who was giving me a ride. Whatever station was on the radio was talking about Lyndon Johnson and his legacy. the other person in the car said.. "he wasn't a very good president was he." Our driver said.. "well, people blame him for the Viet Nam war going on and on but he really did a lot of good things."

I popped up from the back seat and said.. "yes, like signing the civil rights act of 1984 1964." Which she concurred. Then she went on to talk about President Obama and I was fully prepared to cringe and maybe say something from the reality realm in support. But, she kinda surprised and said.. "Like President Obama got us out of Iraq and getting us out of Afghanistan while the rw lies every about him with Benghazi." I said yes.. "and he wants peace negotiations with Iran" and she interjected.. "while the warmongers want more sanctions!"

It was so nice to hear that from a stranger in a car!

[font color=red]EDIT[/font] Mahalo 2naSalit!

2naSalit

(86,634 posts)
7. It's nice
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:57 AM
Feb 2014

to discover that other folks are paying attention and willing to admit it.

BTW, the CRA was 1964.

Cha

(297,248 posts)
8. OMZ!
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:05 AM
Feb 2014

I said that to the woman and then I googled before I posted it.. and then when I typed it.. I saw 1984 and I was thinking.. oh my nieces were born when Johnson was President. So, I really am out it. It's official!

Thanks for the correction, 2naSalit~ I shall correct it post haste.

2naSalit

(86,634 posts)
9. I just figured that
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:09 AM
Feb 2014

it was a typo that you may have overlooked. I do that, and it's getting late. Past 1am here and I'm off to get myself in a horizontal position, I have important things to do when it gets light out.

Cheers.

2na.

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