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Things nobody says to heterosexuals... (Original Post) one_voice Feb 2014 OP
Amen! Aristus Feb 2014 #1
Excellent. k&r. sufrommich Feb 2014 #2
Excellent!!! Funny, I was just saying similar this morning. I just can't believe RKP5637 Feb 2014 #3
Funny thing, 50 years ago or so... Wounded Bear Feb 2014 #11
It's a convoluted world. Yep, seems like progress! I recall well my parents absolutely RKP5637 Feb 2014 #23
Threes Company Springslips Feb 2014 #60
Here's another one.......... thelordofhell Feb 2014 #4
Thanks, I'm going to use that one! LuvNewcastle Feb 2014 #5
One of my best friends is gay - dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #6
The "When did you decide you were straight" question is one I've often asked homophobes. catbyte Feb 2014 #7
HA! MynameisBlarney Feb 2014 #8
I've used that also. SheilaT Feb 2014 #9
Yeah, I've said that too Fumesucker Feb 2014 #16
K&R nt alp227 Feb 2014 #10
Actually, someone once did say to me... The_Commonist Feb 2014 #12
Yeah I have to admit, I've used a couple of those lines myself. Ratty Feb 2014 #20
I was gonna say the same thing... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #38
I have been known to say this one: DeadLetterOffice Feb 2014 #13
Who ever cooked this up was not a straight guy working in SF circa 1975- now. mulsh Feb 2014 #14
The "how do you have sex" one RBStevens Feb 2014 #15
welcome to DU gopiscrap Feb 2014 #43
Hi RBStevens! Welcome! Lisa0825 Feb 2014 #46
That is so straight! KamaAina Feb 2014 #17
LOL! I want that line. +++ 1,000,000 +++ n/t RKP5637 Feb 2014 #27
My BFF gal-pal wearing my favorite shirt! Rhythm Feb 2014 #44
I once worked at a law office where I had an older gay secretary The Second Stone Feb 2014 #18
They forgot VA_Jill Feb 2014 #19
Same here, like everyone has to be approved by them. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2014 #25
Yes! Yes! Yes! DeSwiss Feb 2014 #21
"why do you hate women?" directed at a female, "men" if male. uppityperson Feb 2014 #22
This is real! "See if you can see their sexual organs in the shower! If they don't RKP5637 Feb 2014 #24
I am a straight guy upaloopa Feb 2014 #26
I was always shocked as a youth that so many people were preoccupied with others' RKP5637 Feb 2014 #30
I was a witness at the wedding of my sister-in-law and her upaloopa Feb 2014 #31
"If you could change your heterosexuality, whould you?" Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #28
Would have been more effective with a little spell checking and proofreading.... n/t kiawah Feb 2014 #29
I didn't do the picture.. one_voice Feb 2014 #34
"Some of my best friends are straight and they know I don't believe in their lifestyle choices." Happyhippychick Feb 2014 #32
FFS! I have actually hear the "gay" version of that used here! Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #33
+1 That condescending "alienating your allies" bit is always an immediate DU facepalm for me. Zorra Feb 2014 #66
Kick & recommended. William769 Feb 2014 #35
How about Mr.Bill Feb 2014 #36
Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #37
Could you help me redecorate? armed_and_liberal Feb 2014 #39
"what a waste" or something similar if they find out someone attractive is gay JI7 Feb 2014 #40
"What a waste" Laughing Mirror Feb 2014 #64
something about pushing an agenda or forcing their views JI7 Feb 2014 #41
How do you know you're gay if you haven't tried it? Nanjing to Seoul Feb 2014 #42
K&R sheshe2 Feb 2014 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #47
, blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #48
Changing laws will help a lot. Not a cure, but a big help. merrily Feb 2014 #49
Anyone who thinks heterosexuals commonly say things like that . . . MrModerate Feb 2014 #50
Where did you see the word "commonly?" Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #51
The concept of 'common' comes from the OP . . . MrModerate Feb 2014 #67
The "concept" is something YOU brought up. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #68
Yes, I came up with the notion of some things being more 'common' . . . MrModerate Feb 2014 #70
Your condescension has been noted. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #72
And your embrace of 'resentment entitlement' is very obvious. MrModerate Feb 2014 #74
You are in need of some edification, I fear. MADem Feb 2014 #53
Excellent ad. Very close to the approach I used . . . MrModerate Feb 2014 #69
Wanda Sykes disagrees Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #54
How did the meaning of "That's so gay" change? merrily Feb 2014 #55
It no longer has anything to do with sexuality n/t MrModerate Feb 2014 #71
How do you know what people who say it have in mind? merrily Feb 2014 #73
Observation. n/t MrModerate Feb 2014 #75
Less observation, and more simply interpretation. LanternWaste Feb 2014 #76
You really believe that when teenagers say "that's so gay . . ." MrModerate Feb 2014 #77
I would dispute that it's possible to fully separate it from the notion of "gay=bad." nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #87
Actually, I've been asked the "how do you know" question! MADem Feb 2014 #52
Are you two sisters? theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #56
K & R In_The_Wind Feb 2014 #57
Brilliant Borchkins Feb 2014 #58
I've been asked three of those and I'm hetero. 1awake Feb 2014 #59
K&R myrna minx Feb 2014 #61
Then there was the colleague... BillStein Feb 2014 #62
Thanks. I've had to cringe so many times when my straight freinds meet my gay freinds. marble falls Feb 2014 #63
I won't say never... Omnith Feb 2014 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Feb 2014 #78
Me too. dilby Feb 2014 #79
Often? Was it serious or in jest? What about the other questions? Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Feb 2014 #81
Well, that was inappropriate. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Feb 2014 #83
That someone said "How do you know you aren't gay if you haven't tried it." Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Feb 2014 #85
That is certainly a good way to see it. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #86

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
3. Excellent!!! Funny, I was just saying similar this morning. I just can't believe
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 12:00 PM
Feb 2014

the fixation some have on sexual orientation. They judge a person's entire life based on their sexual orientation, it is so stupid. Like maybe that one is straight-straight, maybe that one is straight-gay? Maybe gay-gay? Hmmmmm, maybe straight but a tiny bit gay? I'm always amazed by people who think because 2 guys/girls share a house they have to be gay, like WTF. Damn, stupidity and bigotry often run so deep.

It is ALL so absolutely ridiculous. And then, they pass laws to enforce their bizarre beliefs.

Wounded Bear

(58,660 posts)
11. Funny thing, 50 years ago or so...
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 01:39 PM
Feb 2014
"I'm always amazed by people who think because 2 guys/girls share a house they have to be gay"


Many years ago, any male/female co-habitation was assumed to be sexual. The "norm" was you had to find same sex roommates.

Progress?

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
23. It's a convoluted world. Yep, seems like progress! I recall well my parents absolutely
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:18 PM
Feb 2014

shocked when I bought a house with a guy years ago. They said, two guys can't own a house, houses are only meant for families. Guys can ONLY live in rented rooms and apartments. Early 20th century thinking, I guess. Fortunately, humanity has managed to struggle past that thinking. I remember my sisters saying WTF, what is wrong with them.

When in college, I recall so well the ads in the local paper for some rooms in private houses for college students saying, 'white, no smoking, no drinking, only christians, no female visitors, doors locked at 12 midnight, on and on. Fortunately, we have progressed some.

Springslips

(533 posts)
60. Threes Company
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 09:53 AM
Feb 2014

He had to pretend to be gay in order to live with the girls.

Why can't we just get it right?

catbyte

(34,393 posts)
7. The "When did you decide you were straight" question is one I've often asked homophobes.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 12:45 PM
Feb 2014

It usually stops them dead in their tracks & you can just see the rusty gears grinding as their little pea brains attempt to process the question & the ramifications of it.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
9. I've used that also.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 01:10 PM
Feb 2014

I also tell the anti-choice people that if they don't believe in abortion then they shouldn't have one. Guys especially tend to get speechless at that comment.

The_Commonist

(2,518 posts)
12. Actually, someone once did say to me...
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 01:39 PM
Feb 2014

"One night with me and you won't be straight anymore!"

I never did bother to try to find out.
And of course, we remain close friends.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
38. I was gonna say the same thing...
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 07:26 PM
Feb 2014

I had a friend who once used that line on me. I laughed, he laughed.

Later that evening he kissed the girl I was seeing, then came to me and said "that's the closest I'll ever get to kissing you".

We were coworkers, pretty good friends, but he ALWAYS had a thing for me. Once he left the company we worked for, he started coming around the hangout spots less and less, then sort of vanished... I don't think I've seen him but once or twice in the last 7 years.

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
14. Who ever cooked this up was not a straight guy working in SF circa 1975- now.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 02:13 PM
Feb 2014

I've certainly heard most of those line directed at me and other straight people over the years. I guess the difference is in how they're delivered.

I've never been offended by any of them. I can't say the same for my gay and lesbian brother and sisters who have been recipients.

Rhythm

(5,435 posts)
44. My BFF gal-pal wearing my favorite shirt!
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 10:30 PM
Feb 2014


Those shirts were made as a fundraiser for the WVU QSU, and sold at a gallery show by a local photographer who did a beautiful collection titled "What's a gay pose?" in response to overhearing a couple of high school students complaining about the poses being used for yearbook pictures as being 'so gay'...
 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
18. I once worked at a law office where I had an older gay secretary
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 02:22 PM
Feb 2014

and he would hit on me about once a week with some of these lines. I thought it was funny. But I wouldn't have if he did it several times a day or week.

VA_Jill

(9,971 posts)
19. They forgot
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 02:29 PM
Feb 2014

"I just don't believe in your lifestyle." Like it's a matter of faith or something? That's one a friend told me.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
24. This is real! "See if you can see their sexual organs in the shower! If they don't
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:23 PM
Feb 2014

look right they are queer!" Seriously, I was told this as a youth.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
26. I am a straight guy
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:32 PM
Feb 2014

Yes I have gay friends and the one thing I noticed was that gay guys always respected my being straight.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
30. I was always shocked as a youth that so many people were preoccupied with others'
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:49 PM
Feb 2014

sexual orientation. Then, as I became older, I learned of the laws against LGBT on and on, I was shocked by that.

I was reading recently there are about 70,000 gay marriages in the entire US. To me, that's not very many in a nation with over 300 million people.

I believe the census reporting believes there are 3% to 5% LGBT in the entire US. That's not very many.

I guess I've never understood why some people are preoccupied with other peoples' private parts to the point of being a fetish, and moreover why they are afraid of LGBT, and why they are afraid if LGBT have equal rights to straight people.

The net/net of it to me is some love hatefulness and persecution, and LGBT provides a convenient target for them. And some use religion to justify what is really their love of hatefulness and persecution of others. It just feels good to them IMO.

I often figure no matter what one does in life, probably half the people are going to hate you for one or another thing.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
31. I was a witness at the wedding of my sister-in-law and her
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:11 PM
Feb 2014

partner last month. They had been together as long as my wife and I. Only they could not have the rights we had even though they were just as committed as we were. Being in my place there is no way I can justify my sisters-in-law's lack of equality.

Behind the Aegis

(53,957 posts)
28. "If you could change your heterosexuality, whould you?"
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:47 PM
Feb 2014

"I heard so and so is heterosexual, is that true?"

"I don't know many straights, so can I ask, how often do you have sex?"

"Do you think your heterosexuality is due to an overbearing/absent parent?"

"Do you honestly think it is acceptable to "flaunt" your heterosexuality in public by holding hands and kissing?"

"Just because I don't support other-sex marriage doesn't mean I am a heterophobe!"

Pointing to random straight people of the other sex..."s/he's straight! You into her/him?"

"Don't you think heterosexuality is a lonely way to chose to live life?"

"Did you hear Rev. Phlem's latest rant against heterosexuals?! I think he's probably a staighty!"

"I am all for equal rights, but don't you people (heteros) understand there is a "time and place" for your concerns?"

"I don't see your sexual preference, I only see a human."

Behind the Aegis

(53,957 posts)
33. FFS! I have actually hear the "gay" version of that used here!
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:41 PM
Feb 2014

Oh and another one: "You are alienating your homosexual allies, like me, by calling out our disagreements with your agenda. I have been more of an activist in the heterosexual movement, then you, as a heterosexual, have ever been!"

Response to one_voice (Original post)

Laughing Mirror

(4,185 posts)
64. "What a waste"
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 10:53 AM
Feb 2014

I don't know how many times this was said to me when I was a young and out. It was, oddly enough, women who would make this pronouncement.  What a waste that I wouldn't be dating them or their daughters or marrying them and having children, I suppose. I was always so stunned by hearing someone say this to me, I never asked the reason.

JI7

(89,250 posts)
41. something about pushing an agenda or forcing their views
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 08:34 PM
Feb 2014

on others because they did the same thing a hetero couple did. and of course they make sure to say "i don't have a problem with gays" first.

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
42. How do you know you're gay if you haven't tried it?
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 09:46 PM
Feb 2014

I've been asked this by gay men hitting on me after they get offended when I thank them for their interest, but I tell them politely I am straight and married.

I am heterosexual and I've been asked this alot.

Response to one_voice (Original post)

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
50. Anyone who thinks heterosexuals commonly say things like that . . .
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 06:25 AM
Feb 2014

Must travel with a pretty cruddy group of heterosexuals.

On a planet with 6 billion people, I have no doubt that such things are said every day. But 'commonly'? As in "I need to teach the broad swathe of the heterosexual population that these statements are offensive"?

I don't think so.

Disclaimer: "That's so gay" became teen slang some time ago, and while offensive, doesn't exactly mean the same thing it used to. So I toss that one out.

Behind the Aegis

(53,957 posts)
51. Where did you see the word "commonly?"
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 06:32 AM
Feb 2014

I did a search. I found TWO matches for the word "common." One was poster #17, The_Commonist, and your post. So, your strawman, well, we all know about strawmen from the "Wizard of Oz", don't we?

"Disclaimer: "That's so gay" became teen slang some time ago, and while offensive, doesn't exactly mean the same thing it used to. So I toss that one out."

Really? The meaning changed? Well, it was mighty white of you to let us know.

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
67. The concept of 'common' comes from the OP . . .
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 01:33 AM
Feb 2014

Specifically the graphic. Why create a poster, with a message, unless there's a 'common' problem to be addressed? The clear implication is that the offensive statements are made routinely, in every walk of life, and need to be militated against.

In my experience (limited to me, of course) that's not so. The group of people I travel with would find these questions offensive or at least obnoxious, regardless of who they were being asked of.

So I regard the whole concept of the poster to be overblown.

Your inability to parse teenage slang is another issue entirely and something you'll have to deal with on your own time.

Behind the Aegis

(53,957 posts)
68. The "concept" is something YOU brought up.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 01:36 AM
Feb 2014

Does something have to be common in order to be a problem? No. It does have to be something which is problematic. The fact you have not experienced these things says nothing of those of us who have and still do to this day, even in an age of so called-GLBT awareness; your posts exemplifies it.

Your inability to understand the phrase hasn't changed, further demonstrates the problem. Basically, it is another way of saying, "Hey gays, stop whining!"

Some things are parsed quite easily.

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
70. Yes, I came up with the notion of some things being more 'common' . . .
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 02:41 AM
Feb 2014

And hence more worthy of attention.

It seems germane to me.

And while I would never take it upon myself to lecture to a whole segment of the population based on their sexuality, I might make the following suggestion to anyone: Choose your battles.

Behind the Aegis

(53,957 posts)
72. Your condescension has been noted.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 02:46 AM
Feb 2014

There are some battles, even little ones, which are well worth fighting.

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
74. And your embrace of 'resentment entitlement' is very obvious.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 07:23 PM
Feb 2014

Nevertheless, I think we agree that a person gets to pick their own battles.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
53. You are in need of some edification, I fear.
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 06:39 AM
Feb 2014

Please take a moment to look at this video before you do any tossing:



Knock it off, indeed!
 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
69. Excellent ad. Very close to the approach I used . . .
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 02:37 AM
Feb 2014

When my son (now past such things, thankfully) used the same phrase.

But my "tossing" was because I agreed that "that's so gay" is something that is offensive and used all the time. My point was that the other obnoxious remarks would be rather rare among civilized people, and so "that's so gay" is an outlier.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
55. How did the meaning of "That's so gay" change?
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 07:20 AM
Feb 2014

It was intended pejoratively when I was nine and it still is.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
76. Less observation, and more simply interpretation.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 07:30 PM
Feb 2014

Less observation, and more simply interpretation... an interpretation which seems at odds with the interpretations (and more relevantly, the experiences) of others.

People do choose their battles. People in fact, choose battles that you appear to trivialize.

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
77. You really believe that when teenagers say "that's so gay . . ."
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 07:40 PM
Feb 2014

They literally mean "that's so homosexual"? Really?

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
87. I would dispute that it's possible to fully separate it from the notion of "gay=bad."
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 04:44 AM
Feb 2014

It may not have a completely literal meaning, but there's still at least the indirect implication that homosexuality is not a good thing. And that implication has an affect on others' attitudes and "norms," even if the person speaking doesn't happen to be particularly homophobic themselves.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
52. Actually, I've been asked the "how do you know" question!
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 06:35 AM
Feb 2014

And I've been the recipient of one of those comments--the "One night with me..." one--both courtesy of a rather cheeky friend!

I didn't take them in a "bad" way, though--and I do take the point of the flyer, as well.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
56. Are you two sisters?
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 09:11 AM
Feb 2014

Wish I had a nickel for every time my wife and I have heard that one... and we're not even the same ethnic group! We laugh about that one.

BillStein

(758 posts)
62. Then there was the colleague...
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 10:25 AM
Feb 2014

... who, after learning that my husband and I wee married, asked me "which of you is the woman?"

Response to one_voice (Original post)

Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #80)

Behind the Aegis

(53,957 posts)
82. Well, that was inappropriate.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 03:30 AM
Feb 2014

However, the point of the poster is these are things, in reverse, we as GLBT hear; sometimes, quite often.

While it is important to celebrate the openness the world is seeing, the list shows there is a ways to go.

Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #82)

Behind the Aegis

(53,957 posts)
84. That someone said "How do you know you aren't gay if you haven't tried it."
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 03:39 AM
Feb 2014

It was disrespectful toward you.

ETA: If they had been joking, that would have been one thing. I know some who do that to tweak people's noses so to speak.

Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #84)

Behind the Aegis

(53,957 posts)
86. That is certainly a good way to see it.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 04:09 AM
Feb 2014

Many people would have had a very negative reaction. I think some ask because they are interested and hoping against hope, others are just being jerks, IMO.

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