Doesn't it. Nine dead are 7 protestors and two police.

We've got it more or less continuous live on both BBC and Sky.

8.38 GMT
Kateryna, a civil activist in Kiev, has tweeted that protestors have set one of the Ukrainian police armoured personnel carriers on fire.

In their latest statement, which has just been relayed by Reuters, the police say that four of their officers have died today.


8.29 GMT
Looking back on the earlier violence today, one particular area of controversy revolves around claims that live ammunition has been used. On this, the New York Times reports:

Protesters reported that the police were using live ammunition, but this could not be confirmed. Cartridges scattered on the street suggested that most, if not all, of the firing from police lines involved rubber bullets.

Some demonstrators carried firearms, too, though it was unclear whether they had used them. On Instyuts’ka Street, a crowd pulled a man from a parked car after discovering a rifle in the car’s trunk.

As he was jostled by the crowd, the man objected he had came to “fight for freedom,” indicating he was on the side of protesters. He was allowed to drive away with the rifle.

8.14pm GMT
Three police officers have been killed in clashes in Kiev today, according to the latest update from Ukraine’s Interior Ministry.

Russia Today reports that the ministry also says that some 135 officers have been hospitalised, while 35 of them are in a critical condition.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/18/ukraine-police-storm-kiev-protest-camp-live-updates#block-5303c3bde4b0911693db6bc8

not that I am at all surprised or shocked anymore.

it is amazing.

Being a photog tough, my hat is off to both the camera people and the still guys and rarely gals. This is one nasty place to practice their trade, and no phone can equal this. It is the sensors stupid. (Yes, this is for you Chicago Trib that fired their photog staff, since Iphones can do this)

Oh and on the Chicago Sun decision

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-05-31/business/ct-biz-0531-sun-times-photographer-layoffs-20130531_1_sun-times-media-group-chicago-sun-times-timothy-knight

They've removed the picture - it was a protester on fire. This is an important story, but there is no reason to have a picture like that available without a warning. The pics in this thread are much better, even if they convey the horrible situation.

and yes, if it were me, I would be taking those shots and submitting them too.

There are other shots, such as the ones in this thread, that convey the seriousness of the situation. I know that 9 people have died. I don't need to see them in the act of dying.

Ymmv

and those stunts are amazing. But god help us if the media shows this in the cruel reality of it.

Don't worry, most American editors will protect you.

while spinning wheels at fire lines. It is the last thirty years or so when really graphic photos were truly banned from american media. Some photos from the golden age of journalism are truly epic, but would never, ever, be seen on American media these days. YMMV insofar as Americans are quite clueless. Why we did not see this... from the current series of wars on American mass media.



Or this, considered one of the top war time photographs of all time



Those two ran on American papers separated by a few decades of course. This did not.



Care to connect the dots as to why that was the case? Care to tell me why things are so much sanitized? I forgot to point out, the last one is from WWII, American casualties.

Look I don't post much here anymore. I read, and now and then I post. I enjoy your posts, but disagree with you here.

My previous post was "Again, ymmv (n/t)". Had I wanted to continue the conversation, then I would've included a whole bunch more words in my post. I didn't. I don't.

If you want to continue to disagree with me on this thread, that's fine. I'm not trying to convince you that I'm right and you're wrong. Respectfully, I'm not interested in continuing our disagreement.

have a good life, welcome to my ignore list.

Suffice it to say, I work in media. I just gave you a peek into the discussion that happens among working photographers. Because you know what? I, and a few others, are tired of our editors coddling the american people.

Good bye.

I know you won't read this. It strikes me that very few folks give a hoot about Kiev - look how many posts this thread has. I was trying (politely) not to argue, so as not to clutter this thread.

It's nicely cluttered now, and unfortunately not with new posters.

the tremendous amount of American casualties.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124631492

hell, I watched some incredible footage of the battle for Iraq. It was one of the major ones early in the invasion. I watched that on MEXICAN TV, not American TV. It was the Battle of Nasaryah

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nasiriyah

They even showed a Corpsman taking care of an American Casualty. At one point the reporters became IV pole holders.

Why did I have to watch that on MEXICAN TV? Because our media really coddles us.

public. Our "journalists" are stenographers for the most part. Disgusting.

we have been having these talks. When you got a bunch of bored local reporters spinning their wheels, we start doing stupid shit with camera phones and talking about things like this.

They are lively debates. The old hands (like me) want editors to stop sanitizing things, from natural disasters, or worst case war.

Hell, we want them to stop sanitizing car crashes. The argument is what if Johnny's family learns of his death at a fiery crash from the news? Ok, wait for the family to be notified. New hands, they have less issues with this, because they are used to it. That is what they grew up with. And people DO NOT want the papers to run really gory photos or video. And if you show somebody getting shot, it does happen, make it so far out that it is hard to tell.

Never mind that Americans consume insane amounts of violence, pretend violence, in Hollywood and TV productions, as well as video games.

a republican soldier shot (dead).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Falling_Soldier

Realize technically it was an incredible achievement, they did not have burst mode back then. And it was a simple black and white film. From my years in school, this was shown, and it was taken with a fairly fast lens for the time and I think 400 ASA. Think of this, as a good digital camera, and yes, a very lucky shot.

for the last thirty years, if the photo could have happened, or was staged. That started in the Spanish media.

One of the things that Capa used to say, is that if you are not close enough, you are not getting the shot. Zoom lenses at the time were crap, assuming they existed. These days, I can get "close" and take a few less risks. Just a few. During the occupy marches I got damn close a few times, as in the middle of it. Those are the best shots I have from all that.

But I will say, these historic shots would not grace modern American papers. We sanitize too much. It is a self feeding loop, by the way.

It's not necessarily the best example of a news photo.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/arts/design/18capa.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Police line moving forward?

A lot of popping, occasional fireballs.

Incredible images on the live feed- wish I could understand the commentary.

the photo work is something to "drool over."

are over and Putin and the Ukranian government can go to town. I shudder to think.

There is quite a bit of tension between the Ukraine and Russian Republics, I doubt Putin and his dog and pony show in Sochi is on the minds of the MVS.

the EU? Would this not be Russian influence on the powers that be in the Ukraine?

because they were forced by the IOC to remove the black armbands they were wearing to honor the people killed by their government this week.

The BBC is saying that 342 police officers are currently in hospital, too.

This morning, security forces opened fire on protesters outside the Security Service building in Khmelnytskyy, western Ukraine. This isn't just happening in Kiev anymore.

on live feed