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But thanks for playing. 
in order to be a progressive, otherwise you are suffering from cognitive dissonance!
Thanks for that gem!
Err, um.....whatever floats your boat dude..!!
lol
I have never argued a desire or right to post bikini pictures, anywhere, ever. That is a strawman. I do, however, believe that running around with ones hair on fire over it for a week solid, is wildly out of proportion to the issue. Don't you agree?
Then BOOM! You drop out of the sky - telling me off about the evils of bikini pictures on internet forums while spewing venom.
Oh, happy day!
YES! WHY IS IT SO FUCKING HARD??? 
My wife makes a lot more money than I do. Keep trying!
...sane response I have seen all day!
Thanks!
You keep us posted on that, you hear?
but I will probably not be able to pay my internet bill if I do that. Not all of us are as progressive as some Brits
So the answer is no.
You can be both a man, testosterone and all (boys club), and a progressive.
is devolving into drama.
is a more accurate term
Everyone else here sees you clearly, though.
for what it's worth… 
yeah….. angry people interested in trolling certainly don't want to discuss issues in an honest, give-and-take dialogue.
Juries often give a pass to the sexist trolls…they hide behind wordplay, and too many juries don't look closely at the whole conversation. They also alert on women whom they've riled up, and juries simplistically react to the that, instead of examining the conversation as a whole.
Also, there's no one facilitating the jury, as a judge would. No one reminding them, for example, that ugly provocation is what's under scrutiny, not frustrated responses trying to defend the denigrated group.
argh!
thank you! It's hilarious, isn't it?
for your outstanding comments in this thread.
A handful of lib men need a bit of tweaking though. 
We have a winner!
Ad nauseum, either, as you probably already know.
Else right wing this, or that, or the other...as you probably already know also...whatever point you are trying to make...bloobity blah and all that rot....
Yeah?
...that the only way they can do so is by degrading men in the process. Otherwise, I have no problem with it. If you can make a point without trying to be insulting, your point will be well taken. Otherwise, your point will not be well taken.
You see, life is a two way street. We cant spew insults expecting kindness in return. What you give, you get back. What comes around, goes around.
Seriously, I wish you all the best in your quest.
Adios
Have you thought about working with a therapist? Your level of psychological projection/judgement based upon misinterpretation of internet posts is somewhat perplexing. A good therapist might be able to help you work through that....
So what's your point besides a crude attempt at insult?
I have made no excuses for my behavior either, because that 'social behavior' doesn't exist with me. Nor am I acting on any hormone driven urges, nor have I stated as much. You just made all of that up. You live in a fantasy world.
Please don't give sad excuses for these things you just made up, just get help.
it is true, yes...just as you say.
repressing to the point of asexuality is another thing entirely.
I stated that you don't have to be a sexually repressed male to be progressive.
Where I was responding to a strawman that said being 'in the boys club' and being 'progressive' are mutually exclusive AKA cannot exist together?
Hmmmmm, what would that be implying? It implies that you must be a sexually repressed male else you can't be a progressive.
Nice try, perhaps you can take another shot at it?
Boys in treehouses? Denigration of women? lololol
How about a group of men that when together act like boys; joking around and goofing around with each other?
Your interpretation is entirely self serving and is itself a strawman argument of your own creation.
Try again?
[font size = "+1"][font color = "blue"]Look at how many references I can find in just a few minutes in which other people use the term to refer to the exclusionary aspect of "boys' club" (as well as to the idea of a treehouse or a clubhouse with a "NO GIRLS ALLOWED!!" sign). In fact, I included just such a clubhouse "no girls allowed" sign at the end of my post for your edification. I am going to go through my references and bold a lot of the phrases to help you see them, since I don't trust you to look at the references with an honest intention to understand.[/font][/font]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_boy_network
An old boy network, or society (also old boys' club), can refer to social and business connections among former pupils of male-only private schools. British public school students were traditionally called "boys", thus graduated students are "old boys".
This can apply to the network between the graduates of a single school, also known as an old boy society and similar to an alumni association. It can also mean a network of social and business connections among the alumni of various prestigious schools. In popular language, old boy network or old boy society has come to be used in reference to the preservation of social elites in general.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boys%20club
a term for an club that only allows men into their group. often used as a way to get away from their wives/girlfriends and hang out with other like-minded individuals.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061224195449AA2xZXI
QUESTION:
What's the meaning of "old boys' club" in the paragraph below?
"The world today is not just an old boys' club. It is a vastly more intergrated, more diverse place than it was even a generation ago. Nowhere is that diversity more apparent than in the business world...."
ANSWER:
The 'old boys' club' refers to people in a group, such as a company, or job, that have been around forever, and exclude others from benefits, conversations, etc.
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/kentadvice.htm
Nazis= an extension of some kinda weird Chiporee Chipmunk Treehouse Boys' Club.
http://technorati.com/women/article/the-augusta-boys-club-no-girls/
http://pragprog.com/.../2009.../shady-illuminations?
It sounds like the origin story for a Batman villain. ... No Girls Allowed ... So the boys' club thinking is correct: if you let girls into the clubhouse, they will change everything.
http://idkmybffvodka.tumblr.com/post/67392648667/i-am-not-the-other-woman-i-am-another-voice
Women in comics are still in a boys club. A clubhouse with a sign on the door saying “no girls allowed”.
www.askmen.com/top.../top-10-male-dominated-industries.html?
A male-dominated industry is like an unofficial boys' club with a “no girls allowed” sign on the front door.
www.giraffeboards.com › The Giraffe Boards › Main › General Blah Blah?
... of the 'No Girls Allowed Treehouse Clubhouse' of grade school days
http://biker-wear.biker-crossroads.com/Boys-Clubhouse.html?
"no girls allowed!" your interpretation sounds like something from the third grade lol "girls are icky!!: lololol.
Still waiting for those promised strawmen
Has nothing to do with what I was talking about.
It is made up. It doesn't exist.
How many threads, 10 or 12? It was blown way out of proportion. I have never argued in favor of 'acting like an asshole to women' either. You just made that up.
That would be like telling your coworker that it's easy to just walk by the bulletin board where the pic is posted.
It's not puritanism, it's about discrimination. And it's about what's done in public. Men can feel free to whack off at home and to pics on sites other than a public political forum. But there is a social decorum and there's a time and a place.
Like I said, at this point men (and women - there are women who don't get it either, or are so in need of male approval they participate as well) can either show consideration and respect or they can purposely perpetuate the treatment of women as mere sex objects. But if they continue the behavior on DU then it is just that, purposefully disrespecting women.
Honestly, the resistance has to be about control and power and resentment. The feeling that women are trying to curtail your sexuality. But that is absolutely NOT what this is about.
Read some of the posts in this thread from the men who get it, maybe you'll see. Anyway, I think we've run our course. I hope you will continue to think about it and that you do read some of geek's posts and a few others in here. It's not about taking away men's sexuality, it's about not flaunting it in front of women inappropriately.
And as I said, if something bothered your friend and they let you know, would you just keep doing it or would you be considerate of them and not do it around them. It's just about respect and consideration whether you understand the issue or not.
So anyway... thanks for not being a total jerk about it like some of the guys on here.
Here is my position on objectification:
People dont like OTHER peoples objectification, but everyone does it. Men objectify women, women objectify men. Gay men objectify other gay men and lesbians objectify other lesbians.
Folks always have and always will objectify people they are attracted to. The urge to objectify is universal, and so long as it's fairly and respectfully indulged, it's not offensive, not a problem, and not news.
Feminism also objectifies women, but in a different way.
You might want to brush up on some of the core concepts of liberalism before you get in a huff when people question your membership status.
Really, I'm not talking about difficult concepts here - It boils down to power differential and relative places in our society. let's take a more readily-understood example, racial slurs. You and I both know that if there's a race or ethnic group, someone else has invented a slur against them, right? However we both know that these slurs vary in intensity. For the most obvious example, in American racial discourse, we have this question posed not too long ago on CNN (and a succinct reply):
I think we can all agree which is the worse word, it's made plainly obvious. But why is that? The answer is power differnetial and relative status. Whites have oppressed and abused blacks for centuries in this country and, while not overt, a strong argument could be made that this continues to be the case. The N-word is a spike of hostility delivered from the powerful to the less-powered, from the abuser to the victim.
Now we come back to gender with this lesson in mind - why might male objectification of women be a bigger and more concerning issue than male or female objectification of men?
I'm not going to wave my fist and claim you're not a liberal here... but really this is stuff you should be able to understand, there's more to liberalism than "republicans suck!"
and the individuals involved.
I personally think that freaking out over a swimsuit edition of a sports magazine for weeks on end is somewhat over the top. But that is just my evil, testosterone polluted, male opinion doing the talking for me, so please disregard!
You obviously ignored the "so long as it's fairly and respectfully indulged" part.
That is how I see it, you don't have to accept it.
They do not fall under the umbrella of, "fairly and respectfully indulged".
It isn't hard to figure out.
I have never, ever said anything about any feminists being sexually prudish either. I have mentioned folks running around with their hair on fire because they apparently do not know, or understand, or WANT to understand, how sex and sexuality work. Call that whatever you want. It's on them, not me.
Respect is a two way street. You can't attack and cajole and insult people and demand respect in return. Aint happenin'
And no, I see nothing wrong with a woman in a bikini. In fact, I LOVE beautiful women. I see them as physical works of art, so call me an evil misogynist. My wife loves HOT MEN, she sees them as physical works of art. What term would apply to her? Is she a bad person because of that?
...is through what they post. When someone is offended by things like asking a girl out on a date or opening a car door for my wife, or something equally basic, they obviously have no clue how these things work.
I have never tied my sexuality to capitalism or the media. I have no clue where that comes from lol.
I have respect for people who have respect for me, otherwise, not so much. Anti-heterosexual = I do not have respect for. Anti-male = I have no respect for. Anti-female = I have no respect for.
My wife is the perfect feminist IMHO. She is feminine, loves having doors opened for her, loves attention from men. She is also highly independent, will tell anyone what she thinks of them to their face, is a work-a-holic and successful. As I have said before, when I met her she drove a nicer car than I did and she still makes a lot more money than I do. She is sexually aggressive and goes after what she wants. She does her own thing in sports. She is an avid skiier, going 20 or so times per year, compared to my 5 or 6. She sails, she does a million things independent of me. She is the best of all worlds, IMHO. She is a feminist and a very feminine woman. She doesn't go around trying to control peoples thinking or sex lives. She respects people being who they want to be.
Lucky me.
As a fifty year-old male I think I am fully capable of understanding the meaning of my own fucking posts..
had responded to him. He has since responded to me and the other poster. I think YOU are the man hating feminist he is referring to!
I think you're right.
I thank you for a nice discussion
And it's way past my bedtime - g'night.
... when the label fits....
I hope the "right-wing" doesn't come after me for stealing "their" phrase....
Your logic fails on the second one...but again..thanks for telling me what I really mean...
Please tell my wife and daughter how much of a misogynist I am....
....so according to this thread I am a tea-bagging, bullying, sexist, closet republican....because I think that boobs/woman/nudity/human sexuality is perfectly fine, even on a political board, and not icky and gross and a reason to scream and yell at other people..
Un-fucking-believable....
But not at you.
(And yes, full disclosure, I like looking at naked ladies too. I just don't feel the need to blather about it in public.)
...but thanks for playing......
You have precisely no fucking clue about me, but you have no problem calling me a sexist...
That is HYSTERICAL!!!
Classic!
...and I'm entirely certain you don't know him at all. 
Meanwhile, the rest of us will continue to enjoy your massive fail.
There is no fail, I explained the situation, whether you chose to accept the truth or not is your own choice...
you wrote:
...after you judged someone you've never met.
(I'm not kicking this thread again)
I know…reading those jerk-offs (and I do mean "jerk-offs"
makes me feel rotten--and angry!!--too.
I'm feeling much better seeing the men in this thread coming along to support us and take down the asshats. They're giving me quite a smile.
For the guys who have and give respect
( ) things just went down hill for him.
...that it isn't you.
Maybe you will have better luck some time in the future? I will keep my fingers crossed for ya!
Your welcome!
rotten, sexist avalanche of words and defensive assumptions!
"That wont slow the fantasy down"
He never called him that. But that won't slow the fantasy down.
No matter how many people tell you that you are exposing yourself in a very unflattering manner, you'll just keep your fingers in your ears going la la la la la.
Man-hating feminist is something one expects from Rush and friends.
Have fun with your little games.
That is truly hilarious. And the absolutely perfect ending to this whole "discussion".
Pesky things those are... can't wait to see the response to this.
Perhaps it will just be a self-delete?
Edit: since you're on his ignore list I posed the same question so he could see it... 
There you go with that pseudo-scientific magical thinking again!
DOH!!!! 
And I don't. That was the perfect cap to this.
And it was so delicious I had to laugh. Still laughing now.
...and yet here you are...still talking...
I got in trouble for spilling my grandfather's tea on Page 3 
...Do you know the reason the alerter or the jury gave? I can't see anything wrong with the post.
TYY
I know cause I read it on DU!
Truth be damned, man! there's a cause to fight for!!!!
and have expressed extreme hostility toward other groups.
I bet that place is about as fun as the gungeon. 
Oh, and I am a man, btw.
you know, poor oppressed straight white christian males. Poor persecuted babies. I would play my violin for them, but it is so small I lost it
when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers
Because it's really all about is sex-hating prudes just wanting to squash people's sexytime fun.
That is *exactly* the motivator behind the complaints.
How completely clueless and utterly tone deaf. For some reason, I thought better of you.
Purity brigade my ass.
A truly lame, lowbrow, childish swipe.
My ex was a part time model from her mid twenties to about forty and she was almost never harassed by men, in fact a lot of them seemed to be intimidated by her. Her day job for over a decade was managing a Florsheim shoe store, men's shoes only, all male staff except for her and she consistently had the highest personal sales and the most profitable and best run store in the district.
In fact I would never have even initiated a conversation with her if we hadn't been introduced by a mutual friend, she was way out of my league. It wasn't until I met her father that I realized why she liked me in the first place, we were very similar in personality and not that dissimilar in looks (very average).
Average looking men without a lot of money also feel like they are invisible to the opposite sex, it's easy to become cynical.
I have a gay friend (yes I know it's a cliche ) who is not stereotypically gay at all and I've had some discussions about attraction with him and he finds a lot of the same problems as many men have with women. He's into typical redneck guy stuff, hot rods, motorcycles, that sort of thing and he says it makes finding a compatible partner almost impossible, there's just very little he has in common with most of the gay men he meets.
And the Cosmo look is not one that's anywhere near as appealing to the men I know as a lot of women seem to think it is. A lot of men prefer a more natural look without the high fashion gloss and the très chic haute couture.
But then I'm an old hippie who finds a cute long haired chick in bellbottom jeans and a tiedye tee shirt to be very stimulating.
I was trying to think of Cosmo but could only come up with Vogue when I wrote the post, thanks for setting me right.
Because in the end all that marketing is about one thing, profit.
They didn't have to deal with this crap in the Soviet Union.
These are women I find more inspiring than any athlete entertainer.
http://www.seizethesky.com/nwitches/nitewtch.html
In the summer of 1941 Marina Raskova, a record-breaking aviatrix, was called upon to organize a regiment of women pilots to fly night combat missions of harassment bombing. From mechanics to navigators, pilots and officers, the 588th regiment was composed entirely of women. The 588th was so successful and deadly that the Germans came to fear them, calling them Nachthexen--night witches.
The women, most of them barely 20 years old, started training in Engels, a small town north of Stalingrad. The women of the 588th flew their first bombing mission on June 8, 1942. It consisted of three planes; their target was the headquarters of a German division. The raid was successful but one plane was lost.
The 588th flew thousands of combat bombing missions. They fought non-stop for months, sometimes flying 15 to 18 missions on the same night. They flew obsolete Polikarpov Po-2 wooden biplanes that were otherwise used as trainers. They could only carry two bombs that weighed less than a ton altogether. Most of the women who survived the war had, by the end, flown almost a thousand missions each.
Quite recently in fact.
It makes me feel very inadequate since I don't have either six pack abs or much hair any more.
We might not agree on everything, William, but you nailed that one, plain as day.
Just a mental one.
Or the small minds that go with them.
Purely a scientific question...
No, really.
.
.
.
and find out. 
Case in point:
Hubba hubba.
Here it is again:
38. If you want to discuss the issues related to the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue...
...then you are welcome to do so in GD.
We like give members some leeway to post a wide variety of topics here. But I don't think videos of Kate Upton in zero-G are on-topic for the General Discussion forum.
Discussion about the SI swimsuit thread are acceptable in GD. Those videos were not acceptable. There have been multiple threads about the SI swimsuit issue, started by all kinds of people. Bain's thread wasn't objectifying and was in relation to the swimsuit issue.
edited: you edited while I was typing this.
Boys will be boys after all. Just ignore it and it will go away...
Am I right,bro?
while the other is responding out of the shear frustration of being on the receiving end of the constant negative innuendo and man shaming. But you are correct, it is spiraling out of control by both sides, which seems to be the purpose of creating the discontent, by the party of the first part, in the first place.
The instigators are having fun at DU's expense, as witnesses by this..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125533763#post18
The whole thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125533763
Notice the difference in tone of the various posters at this link and the one below.
But there is this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024241107
So there is still hope. Most people around here are getting fed up with the constant harassment from a certain few..
Appalling, isn't it?
just wanted to say that.
:
talking about discrimination should not happen on a progressive board. T&A threads OTOH are fine.
Damn near poke an eye out with them things.
there is whole fucking web full of ass, this is supposed to be an inclusive, mostly POLITICAL discussion site. knock it off, and for the women going along with it...
"Posting T&A threads helps to create a hostile environment for women here."
Which often seems to be the intent.
Although, sadly, there do seem to be a fair number of people who are just flat-out oblivious to the effects of their own infantile behavior.
Which is... scary. Fascinating, as anthropology. Or even pop-psychology. But still... yee-ikes. What did their mothers DO to some of these guys?
FOR SOLICITING SOMEONE TO SPELL OUT TITS & ASS
GWB isn't that bad painter who's retired in Texas either, it can be difficult to keep up. So, good old-fashioned T&A it is.
thank you. and do not feel guilty. a jury leaving that crap actually caused the admins to have to finally give a little guidance. it shouldn't be like that. a progressive political website should be an inclusive environment to discuss issues, not yet another hooters.
You are an exemplary juror and a major class act.
I am very impressed and inspired by your willingness to make this public "confession"
Serves you right, Mr. Sunshine!
RiffRandell kicked the whole scandal off with this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024498713
which then led to this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024503088
and of course this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024506412
And this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024508064
This:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024508525
This:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024510268
ETA Oops! Can't forget this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024515727
And then there was this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024507789
Which led to these:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024508681
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024508721
this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024512429
And this honest-to-gods, moon-bombing-and-pubic-shaving-league DU classic:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024508865
And then today's flamebait offering:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024521817
which led to the multiple threads currently on the front page.
Enjoy!
No surprise to those that know me!
toodles ... gotta run, lots of lurking to do again today
Lounge material. Miss Togar is not amused.
I think Eaglebauer would have been:
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[/IMG][/URL]...so is it bad of me to still Rec this thread?
- I mean it's not that I don't respect your opinion Warren Stupidity, I'd just like to, er.... judge breast issues for myself. It's my policy.....
K&R
My wife says this reminds her of an electric meter.
...you misogynistic, woman-objectifier.....
tits and ass 
